The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - F1 to F4 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2

Lucas15 wrote:

ForeverLove wrote:I know someone , Lucas I think broke it down but don't know where to find it. Anyway, you can hear the sound differences. Here's the differences I heard .

The breakdown I did (and also one that Sophie did which came to the same conclusions about how they edited the preview to make it seem like Ben was saying something that IMO he didn't really say is on this page:

https://www.bachandbachettefans.net/t3285p120-the-bachelor-20-ben-higgins-scaps-no-discussion-sleuthing-spoilers

There's also a little audio clip (on the next page from the link above) of the voice that says "Hello" to Ben at the FRC preview spliced into the voice of Ben's mother on a similar phone call on Ep1 after he met all the women, so anyone can listen, compare the voices and reach their own conclusions if they think they match or not.

Thank you Lucas. I thought it was you who broke it down. I think it's true about the two ily's. None said to Jojo.
The voice on the phone sounded more youthful but I believe it could be spliced in. Maybe Ben was calling in a pizza for the after party

Interesting reading through these pro/con re spoiler or foiler.

IMO big pros re spoiler being true are how few ITM Ben has about Lauren, the early 'in love with 2 women', the pushing through Us Weekly how torn he was etc. IMO TPBP are pushing JoJo to the front, not Lauren. All LauBen are coming from them, Ben doing the most with Lauren. IMO the tabloid narrative being pro Jojo/Mesnick 2.0 makes me think the spoiler is true. Jmo.

IMO it's also possible that the spliced VO "I made the biggest mistake of my life" etc. will never be aired in the finale- just as "this changes everything" from CH never made it.

Also, to reference the 3 on 1 date- Sean had his f1 and f2 on that date- and f2 got the rose and tptb made it appear that f4 got most of the attention. So, f1 and f2 are not always separated on that date.

jcrbil wrote:IMO it's also possible that the spliced VO "I made the biggest mistake of my life" etc. will never be aired in the finale- just as "this changes everything" from CH never  made it.

Also, to reference the 3 on 1 date- Sean had his f1 and f2 on that date- and f2 got the rose and tptb made it appear that f4 got most of the attention.  So, f1 and f2 are not always separated on that date.

Some think Ashlee was the F1 at that point. I know that's not a popular thing to say, but Sean himself has said he changed who his top girls were from day 1. Clare and Nikki weren't together on a group date. Maybe Auntie's Love has this info for other seasons. I'll ask her.

Now that I think about it, that clue could actually be pro Caila as F2 (or F1), since she wasn't on the group date.

Mommyof1 wrote:

sosleepy wrote:

grace8136 wrote:

Yes, Lauren's been pretty grounded. I could see her saying let's wait on an engagement if Ben tells her he was also in love with another. I doubt Ben would fall apart over that though. Still, if MF got a no to a proposal, that would be a first.

There just ain't no way the Lauren I'm seeing is saying no to any kind of proposal from Ben Higgens. Girl is in deep. Just as, if not deeper, than Ben. And that's saying something, because Ben is in the deep end.

It's funny what we each see on our TV, because she looks totally bored to me.  I feel zero emotion from her.  Jmo.

I know!  I'm surprised there aren't more comments about this.  She had an adorable big smile and energy during their first night talk that seems to have gone missing lately when she's with Ben.  And sometimes I notice Ben staring googly eyed at her as she looks forward or away from him.  Has she ever looked at him that way?  That is a genuine question I'm asking because I've been waiting to see it but haven't yet so maybe I missed a moment where she seems like a goner for him?

She was definitely leaning away from his kiss at the end of their date - maybe because it was getting too hot and heavy in front of a camera crew as someone mentioned, but it was very noticeable.  I just can't get a good read on Lauren at all. I almost feel a bit of a reverse Chris and Whitney - Ben immediately in bubble love and Lauren likes him -  and I really hope my impression on that is wrong.  I hope she just doesn't show her emotions in a big way and just is a calm level-headed girl who is actually falling in love with him or made more reserved by the process.

^I think she is more reserved. She had said something along those lines in VO.  Ben may find that endearing. When they snuck away during group date in Mex City, she did seem less so, possibly because the camera crew might not have been so invasive. 
It's a stark contrast to JoJo, IMO, who often carries on like she forgets about the cameras. And that's probably why she makes me as viewer feel more comfortable. 
Maybe Lauren was reserved because she was uncomfortable in small town Indiana. She did move away from her family to live in Beachy LA and I'm still not sure she is the "simple life girl" she is portraying, IMO. 
Her line "I'm not in love with Ben the Bachelor, I'm in love with Ben from Warsaw" sounded like a producer-fed one to me, personally.

I'm all for reserved people not getting caught up in this show, so if that's what is up with Lauren, good for her.  I would never feel comfortable in front of cameras like that, probably more so if I was really falling for the guy, so I do get that.  Their HTD looks great so I'm hoping to see her really relaxed and into Ben in a big way this week.

I like Lauren's far away look when Ben is kissing her. She is thinking about him and their future and what it all might mean. I think it is endearing. Of course just my take on it...

relaxing wrote:I'm all for reserved people not getting caught up in this show, so if that's what is up with Lauren, good for her.  I would never feel comfortable in front of cameras like that, probably more so if I was really falling for the guy, so I do get that.  Their HTD looks great so I'm hoping to see her really relaxed and into Ben in a big way this week.

I didn't realise how close the cameras actually are until I saw those pictures from the HTD. I thought they'd be further away, like they were during the walk Ben and Lauren took in Mexico. I felt really bad for Amanda's kids when I saw those beach pictures. And the camera crew invading their home.

I dont understand how anyone can fully relax with the cameras so close up

grace8136 wrote:

jcrbil wrote:IMO it's also possible that the spliced VO "I made the biggest mistake of my life" etc. will never be aired in the finale- just as "this changes everything" from CH never  made it.

Also, to reference the 3 on 1 date- Sean had his f1 and f2 on that date- and f2 got the rose and tptb made it appear that f4 got most of the attention.  So, f1 and f2 are not always separated on that date.

Some think Ashlee was the F1 at that point. I know that's not a popular thing to say, but Sean himself has said he changed who his top girls were from day 1. Clare and Nikki weren't together on a group date. Maybe Auntie's Love has this info for other seasons. I'll ask her.  

Now that I think about it, that clue could actually be pro Caila as F2 (or F1), since she wasn't on the group date.

Not to get off topic, but Sean mentioned back then and even more recently that the individual dates that week went to the girls he had questions about and the group date to those he was sure about. Still not sure where the Ashlee was his F1 at that point came about. I've seen it referenced a few times and I don't remember Sean ever saying that.

And back on topic.

umngirl wrote:

grace8136 wrote:

jcrbil wrote:IMO it's also possible that the spliced VO "I made the biggest mistake of my life" etc. will never be aired in the finale- just as "this changes everything" from CH never  made it.

Also, to reference the 3 on 1 date- Sean had his f1 and f2 on that date- and f2 got the rose and tptb made it appear that f4 got most of the attention.  So, f1 and f2 are not always separated on that date.

Some think Ashlee was the F1 at that point. I know that's not a popular thing to say, but Sean himself has said he changed who his top girls were from day 1. Clare and Nikki weren't together on a group date. Maybe Auntie's Love has this info for other seasons. I'll ask her.  

Now that I think about it, that clue could actually be pro Caila as F2 (or F1), since she wasn't on the group date.

Not to get off topic, but Sean mentioned back then and even more recently that the individual dates that week went to the girls he had questions about and the group date to those he was sure about. Still not sure where the Ashlee was his F1 at that point came about. I've seen it referenced a few times and I don't remember Sean ever saying that.

And back on topic.

Ashlee was pretty specific about the things said in the FS. I tend to think that he simply had more fun on his FD with Catherine and reevaluated what the heck he was thinking. He wanted someone to have fun with not a trophy wife asking for a specific cut on her diamond. But like I said, I know that my questions on that aren't shared by all.

My point was really about the group dates before hometowns and wondering if there is a pattern. I asked AL if she knows and she did. Thanks Auntie! Only on Sean 17 and Brad 11 have the F1 and F2 had a group date together. I just thought it could point to Caila as F2, which may mean that JoJo is getting the 'ette edit and will be F3.