The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - F1 to F4 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2

Does anyone remember someone (Ch or a magazine or ?) stating that they shot the FR on November 18th? I think it was Harrrison. It was said approx 2-3 weeks ago and I cannot remember where I heard/read it let alone the context but I 100% did hear it. Anyway my point is, and I don't know if it means anything or not, but the filming schedule we have here has the FR on November 14. Obviously this could be off but is 4 days a lot? 

I'm not sure if this is even an issue, but the thought crossed my mind that maybe the elimination of F2 was not actually filmed the same day as FRC or perhaps they had to re-shoot F2's goodbye and/or the FRC. Does anyone have any thoughts avout this? I didn't check to see what RS has for filming FRC but am curious of others' thoughts on this or if it means nothing at all. TYIA

Pardon my ramblings...

Lauren F1:
Spoiler
Undeniable attraction & bond
special 1-on-1 time to walk thru Mex City
Photo of thier first interaction at mansion
Ben wowed upon first glance
Blindside references (JoJo, Becca, Ben) 
Family seems happy/excited
Friends of Ben's following her SM
Possible Twitter clues ("fixer upper" references)
Her quieter SM activity, sans promos
Ben's trips to LA
Other contestants commented on thier obvious connection
Not much is said about Lauren in Ben's ITMs (would give too much away?) 
Personal invitation to 1-on-1 in Indiana & in his everyday element 
Caila & JoJo being more guarded, the relationships never catch up
JoJo's busy SM activity (preparing for next step post-Ben?)

Foiler/upset:
Spoiler put out quite early in season
LauBen too obvious after 7 epis?
Blinding viewers w/LauBen in edit post-spoiler so other relationships go under the radar? 
Foiler was overturned by SnapchatGate last season, when will another foiler strike?
Slow burn vs. hot flame
The substance of what Ben says about JoJo in the edit
Doubts/fears expressed by both JoJo & Caila in the edit
Curious you tube channel dedicated to Lauren: "xBushnellBachelorettex"
MF's comment about this season being his 2nd fave after Jolly's
"3/4 of a Mesnick" reference
JoJo's less detached SM compared to Lauren (a more positive experience for her?)

Splicing ...
I used noise cancelling earphones to listen to the Finale vid again and you can actually hear the spliced edit. I know someone , Lucas I think broke it down but don't know where to find it. Anyway, you can hear the sound differences. Here's the differences I heard .

Saying goodbye just doesn't feel right
(Spliced): This is the biggest mistake I've made
I want to keep her in my life
(Spliced): I don't want to say goodbye
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Cause that's how much I love her ,
(Is in the same sentence after I want to keep her in my life)
So the complete sentence is,
I want to keep her in my life , because that's how much I love her.

Call me crazy but the voice on the phone does not sound like his mom. I think it sounds like Mollie , Lauren's sister. It might be clearer after the HTD if Mollie tells Ben to call her when he's sure or something like that. That's just mo.

The good news? There will be no switcheroo. I'm sure of it! It's the editing and you can hear the voice changes very clearly with these earphones. Ben cried tears when he said goodbye , but, he did let Only one go with without changing his mind. Jmo, but I feel confident in what I heard. Sadly, I have too much time on my hands these days.

Talking to the parents: I love both of them. They are just too good to let go
(spliced)- I just don't know.

@ac... I must have missed some posts. Why is Lauren tweeting about watching Fixer Upper a clue for her?

Spoiler:
Hard to discount Ben's starry eyes over Lauren.

Foiler/upset:
JoJo and Ben's conversation on the pig group date about how she knows and gets it, which imo was Ben reminding her that she knows he has to spend time with the other girls. (Perhaps a desperate attempt on his part though)
Personal invitation to Lauren in Warsaw. I thought that they tend to keep the F2 out of the same group dates towards the end, but they did that in the Bahamas AND allowed him to make it even worse with that personal invite.

sosleepy wrote:

grace8136 wrote:

peggy0221 wrote:Maybe the blindside is Lauren didn't accept the proposal and only agreed to keep on dating? Just wild guess.

And did Ben admit he is engaged/in love during media round?
I remember some previous leads would admit they were in love or even engaged, cmiiw.

Yes, Lauren's been pretty grounded. I could see her saying let's wait on an engagement if Ben tells her he was also in love with another. I doubt Ben would fall apart over that though. Still, if MF got a no to a proposal, that would be a first.

There just ain't no way the Lauren I'm seeing is saying no to any kind of proposal from Ben Higgens. Girl is in deep. Just as, if not deeper, than Ben. And that's saying something, because Ben is in the deep end.

It's funny what we each see on our TV, because she looks totally bored to me. I feel zero emotion from her. Jmo.

Mommyof1 wrote:

sosleepy wrote:

grace8136 wrote:

Yes, Lauren's been pretty grounded. I could see her saying let's wait on an engagement if Ben tells her he was also in love with another. I doubt Ben would fall apart over that though. Still, if MF got a no to a proposal, that would be a first.

There just ain't no way the Lauren I'm seeing is saying no to any kind of proposal from Ben Higgens. Girl is in deep. Just as, if not deeper, than Ben. And that's saying something, because Ben is in the deep end.

It's funny what we each see on our TV, because she looks totally bored to me.  I feel zero emotion from her.  Jmo.

I saw her dodging his kisses at the end of their date, but I figured he was getting a little too hot and heavy in front of the camera men. I would find it hilarious if he fell for one girl early on as the spoiler says and we are focusing on the wrong girl.

grace8136 wrote:

Mommyof1 wrote:

sosleepy wrote:

There just ain't no way the Lauren I'm seeing is saying no to any kind of proposal from Ben Higgens. Girl is in deep. Just as, if not deeper, than Ben. And that's saying something, because Ben is in the deep end.

It's funny what we each see on our TV, because she looks totally bored to me.  I feel zero emotion from her.  Jmo.

I saw her dodging his kisses at the end of their date, but I figured he was getting a little too hot and heavy in front of the camera men. I would find it hilarious if he fell for one girl early on as the spoiler says and we are focusing on the wrong girl.

The Internet would break!

grace8136 wrote:@ac... I must have missed some posts. Why is Lauren tweeting about watching Fixer Upper a clue for her?
*cut*

Someone asked this earlier in her thread, but Fixer Upper seems to be Lauren's favorite show, she's tweeted about it a few times. Last week Ben referenced it in a tweet https://twitter.com/benhiggi/status/697292788522549249
hope that helps

Agent curls , regarding MF saying this is his second fave after Jolly,
Could it be the agony Ben went through  similar to Jason which makes for compelling tv? Without knowing too much about the other Bach Leads, did any other show so much  emotion and conflict ? I did see Sean's season and I thought he was very polite but matter of fact in letting his F2 go. I think "The Mesnick " refers to that emotional stress that won't be hidden on the day of the Finale. Once I heard the sound differences, I thought why instigate through splicing that Ben might change his mind ? The splicing is that blatant. So you're right, the edit was so obvious something had to be spliced
spiced up . Your insights are so unbelievably detailed in pros and cons. Pretty cool actually. Kudos!

Al wrote:

grace8136 wrote:@ac... I must have missed some posts. Why is Lauren tweeting about watching Fixer Upper a clue for her?
*cut*

Someone asked this earlier in her thread, but Fixer Upper seems to be Lauren's favorite show, she's tweeted about it a few times. Last week Ben referenced it in a tweet https://twitter.com/benhiggi/status/697292788522549249
hope that helps

Thanks. I was thinking that since Fixer Upper is a Waco show, it could have something to do with JoJo, but that makes sense now.

ForeverLove wrote:I know someone , Lucas I think broke it down but don't know where to find it. Anyway, you can hear the sound differences. Here's the differences I heard .

The breakdown I did (and also one that Sophie did which came to the same conclusions about how they edited the preview to make it seem like Ben was saying something that IMO he didn't really say is on this page:

https://www.bachandbachettefans.net/t3285p120-the-bachelor-20-ben-higgins-scaps-no-discussion-sleuthing-spoilers

There's also a little audio clip (on the next page from the link above) of the voice that says "Hello" to Ben at the FRC preview spliced into the voice of Ben's mother on a similar phone call on Ep1 after he met all the women, so anyone can listen, compare the voices and reach their own conclusions if they think they match or not.