The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - General Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* #3

Yes, and that sweeping music was used a lot with Ali & Chris L. (& borderline-porn music was used during Ali's more intimate moments with Roberto to rev up the "physical edit" and to tone down their actual romance & depth.

ForeverLove wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:It happens all the time, ForeverLove and is one of the clues those that enjoy analyzing edit, always look for.

Thank you GA. It felt like a subliminal hint. I'm probably behind the ball on this, but I'm learning in the best site possible to learn. The Online School of Sluthing.

No worries. There are many very extremely experienced sleuthers around here that can help anyone with questions. You have to start somewhere, we all did.

agentcurls wrote:There is a high probability that if Caila is F3, she will be the next 'Ette. I just don't think they will give it to an F2, especially if F2 is involved in some major devastating "blindside".

That's why it makes more sense to me that if JoJo is in serious contention for the Ette role, she will be F3, not Caila (who might be the F2?).

I think that production is all in for Becca as the ette. IMO, production is paying attention to what the fans want via twitter, polls on different sites, etc. Compared to Caila and others, Becca is winning the bette polls EVERYWHERE.

Sounds like Arie 3.0

Aunties_Love wrote:

agentcurls wrote:There is a high probability that if Caila is F3, she will be the next 'Ette. I just don't think they will give it to an F2, especially if F2 is involved in some major devastating "blindside".

That's why it makes more sense to me that if JoJo is in serious contention for the Ette role, she will be F3, not Caila (who might be the F2?).

I think that production is all in for Becca as the ette.  IMO, production is paying attention to what the fans want via twitter, polls on different sites, etc.  Compared to Caila and others, Becca is winning the bette polls EVERYWHERE.

Sorry, AL, but I totally disagree. Those polls are just a tiny fraction of viewers, imo. I don't know anyone irl talking about Becca for lead or actually talking about her at all. I really can't see the producers wanting her when they've seen twice what a snoozefest she is on tv. You know it's bad when they have to show her saying she was excited because we wouldn't have known it by her expression.  

Kashathediva wrote:Sounds like Arie 3.0

ITA, Kasha. I'm sure they're leading Becca on to think she's got it in the bag. I think she's actually behind Caila, Jojo, & Amanda. JMO

grace8136 wrote:

ForeverLove wrote:Do you think that when they preview , they throw hints of the F1 ? Just as a tease? Because in this preview , when you hear Amamda's Vo saying , "today was the beginning of my love story", you see Ben and Lauren in the airplane .

This happened a bunch in Des' season. JBF used to track that in detail, but then in Chris Soules season they were doing the same thing, but it pointed to Becca as F1. Very disappointing because it was a fun clue to look for.

My mind is blank, but AshLee allegedly said something similar over shots of Sean with Lindsay in silhouette... and Clare Bare said similar stuff in Juan Pablo's over... I can't remember... herself? Yet airplane and helicopter scenes with F1 are quite common, so Lauren still can keep her standing. In Jillian's seasonal promo, she and Ed were shown high up in that section. Later we got Desie and Chris Siegfried in their helicopter in the mid-season promo.

They do confuse us all.

agentcurls wrote:Yes, and that sweeping music was used a lot with Ali & Chris L. (& borderline-porn music was used during Ali's more intimate moments with Roberto to rev up the "physical edit" and to tone down their actual romance & depth.  

Going a bit off topic here, but still talking music...

The music so many of us wait for each season are the two guitar rifts featured in the finale of Trista/Ryan's season. You used to be able to watch that scene on youtube, but they deleted it.

Every season, we go BONKERS listening for it. In the olden daze, it was played mostly during the final rose ceremony. By Mesnick's season, they started playing it twice... sometimes three or four times... with not just the F1 contestant, but also one or two others to add a bit of confusion.

In Jason's season, Molly (his real F1) got it in the episode preceding hometowns when the two discussed the prospect of her moving to Seattle. Melissa got the music during her fantasy date as she discussed feeling "skeered"... which hardly sounded like a F1-ish speech to play these melodies to. Nonetheless she got it again when Jason proposed to her in the finale... before making his switcheroo later.

In Jillian's season, F3 Reid might have gotten a snippet in Seville, Spain, but I am not sure. There was a little of it with Kippy on his Vancouver date. The moment I distinctly remember them playing it was when her daddy was telling her that Ed just... might... propose to her. Ed was not in the room to verify it, but he did go through the motions in the finale anyway.

Some sleuthers say a little of it was played with Vienna during the season of Air Pilot Jake Pavelka, but I struggled finding exactly where. There was a very slushy segment during F2 Tenley's last chance date however, while Jake himself was all blubbery saying how much he wuvs Tenley. It was if the editors were instructing Jake with this music to "pick THIS one, not THAT one".

With Ali's season, things were more obvious. Chris Lambton got it while Ali said what a great husband he would make in Lisbon, Portugal... and he did make a great one for Peyton. Robbbberto got it after his "I wuv you" on his fantasy date and the two walked through the filthy water to their suite..

What season was next? Oh yeah, Brad... his "if-you-don't-succeed-once-try-try-again" season. Emily Maynard got it as they talked after the the NASCAR date, sitting by the pool. Brad was unhappy during this scene because he didn't think he was the only man on her mind. Ricky Ricky Ricky...

Ashley Hebert... JP got it in Hong Kong after he told her to never worry about him judging her (post-Bentley). F2 Ben F. got a snippet of it in Taiwan.

(OK... the video may get deleted like the Trista/Ryan one, but you can hear one excerpt of the music here... following JP saying "thank you for telling me" past the 7:16 point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWMfbzPEBCg )

Ben F. was one very weird season. I searched high and lo to find it played for Courtney, but only remember it played... THREE times!... with F3 Nikki. Did this mean that she was the one Mike Fleiss wanted him to pick? The music was even played when they watched a wedding ceremony in Puerto Rico and was booming off the TV speakers during her fantasy date. Oh well... he still lasted longer with Courtney than Jake did with Vienna.

Emily was the Bachelorette who never could make up her mind. Four guys got it: Tony as he talked about his kid, Arie just before the fireworks in Prague, Jef with One F during his hometown and Sean during his fantasy date. Maybe the dolphin got in too?

Sean's season had it played twice: Sarah and F1 Catherine, the latter on her fantasy date.

Desiree's also got it twice: Zak W. in Barcelona and Prince Siegfried in hometown. I must confess that THIS was my favorite use of it among all of the seasons. Christopher talks to mommy about Desie and she at first sounds hesitant. Then she goes "well... " and, of course, gives her blessing as Christopher, looking worried at first (in that delightful way only Christopher can pull off, looking like a cute little boy who is so eager to hear "yes") suddenly grins from ear to ear. The music continues to be slushy as Desie herself says she can definitely see him as her husband. 1... 2... 3... awwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!

Juan Pablo's season was like that of Ben F. We did not hear it with F1 Nikki. (I was hoping to hear it in Couples Therapy on VH1 at least.) Instead it was played in episode 1 as he talked about the opera singer Sharleen he gave the first impression rose to.

Andi's season had it played briefly with Nick in Belgium and later with Josh on... I think... his fantasy date. Or was it his last chance date?

Prince Farming had it with F1 Whitney in, oddly, an abc.com "extract" scene. F3 Kaitlyn got a longer version on her fantasy date.

Shawn in Kaitlyn's got it, but my mind is blank. Any dedicated fans of the couple care to search through their scenes?

We have not heard it yet this season.

grace8136 wrote:

ForeverLove wrote:Do you think that when they preview , they throw hints of the F1 ? Just as a tease? Because in this preview , when you hear Amamda's Vo saying , "today was the beginning of my love story", you see Ben and Lauren in the airplane .

This happened a bunch in Des' season. JBF used to track that in detail, but then in Chris Soules season they were doing the same thing, but it pointed to Becca as F1. Very disappointing because it was a fun clue to look for.

I still think Becca was F1, but Becca didn't want to be F1...but we won't rehash that again.

Mommyof1 wrote:

grace8136 wrote:

ForeverLove wrote:Do you think that when they preview , they throw hints of the F1 ? Just as a tease? Because in this preview , when you hear Amamda's Vo saying , "today was the beginning of my love story", you see Ben and Lauren in the airplane .

This happened a bunch in Des' season. JBF used to track that in detail, but then in Chris Soules season they were doing the same thing, but it pointed to Becca as F1. Very disappointing because it was a fun clue to look for.

I still think Becca was F1, but Becca didn't want to be F1...but we won't rehash that again.      

 Me too. It's easier for me to believe that the edit pointed to his "true" F1, than accept that those edit clues are dead.    

albean99 wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

agentcurls wrote:There is a high probability that if Caila is F3, she will be the next 'Ette. I just don't think they will give it to an F2, especially if F2 is involved in some major devastating "blindside".

That's why it makes more sense to me that if JoJo is in serious contention for the Ette role, she will be F3, not Caila (who might be the F2?).

I think that production is all in for Becca as the ette.  IMO, production is paying attention to what the fans want via twitter, polls on different sites, etc.  Compared to Caila and others, Becca is winning the bette polls EVERYWHERE.

Sorry, AL, but I totally disagree. Those polls are just a tiny fraction of viewers, imo. I don't know anyone irl talking about Becca for lead or actually talking about her at all. I really can't see the producers wanting her when they've seen twice what a snoozefest she is on tv. You know it's bad when they have to show her saying she was excited because we wouldn't have known it by her expression.  

Kashathediva wrote:Sounds like Arie 3.0

ITA, Kasha. I'm sure they're leading Becca on to think she's got it in the bag. I think she's actually behind Caila, Jojo, & Amanda. JMO

I am hoping they don't have Becca as the Ette. I vote for Laurens sister Mollie myself!!!! Don't really want anyone else, but maybe Jen to be the Ette!!

Sad but Becca has over 70k more followers on Twitter than the F2. That means 70k more clamoring for her as the Bette if that makes any difference . That's why everywhere, SM gets littered about how she should be the next lead. She's also drumming up more followers as she'll be live tweeting from tonight .

*chuckle chuckle*

Let's roll out all of our cute little conspiracy theories, but try our best to stay innocent...

Like Emily Maynard, Becca was the one the Bachelor (Brad, Chris Soules) really wanted, but she wanted to be 'ette instead. Didn't Chris break up with Whitney to try a second time with Becca, but she wasn't too cooperative? Instead she had to "test role" on Ben's season and cry a storm in Indiana. If Emily got the role, why not Becca?

Olivia just wanted to be on Bachelor In Paradise. That is why she was the Comic Villain.

Looking back... I love Clare Bear so much, but sometimes I questioned even her intentions. She seemed rather frustrated to go on BiP twice instead of getting 25 guys all to herself. I mean... who was going to watch Daddy's DVD with her? I had high hopes for her and Zack Kalter in BiP Season 1, but she was so eager to run off with the raccoons with no rhyme or reason.

Oh well... that's the Pretty People for you. So focused on their cinematic reflections that they don't know what they really want. Good thing we "ordinary" people don't look like them and have to worry about such things.