The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - FRC - ATFR- July 27th - Thread#3 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

RainbowConnection wrote:

chasingpavements wrote:

eirekay wrote:

IMO, Leslie showed a complete lack of class by making a statement like that.  Why pour salt in the wound?  What does that accomplish at this point?

If anyone has seen Leslie on periscope....um, how do I put this nicely? She's basically an older Kaitlyn. Notice I didn't say "grown-up". She's ditzy, cares way too much about strangers' opinions, and treats her daughter like a 7 y/o.

And, I'm pretty sure they WERE impressed by Nick in that moment since she was in tears when he talked about marrying Kaitlyn and her sister said that "if Shawn is half the man that Nick is...". Just rewriting history, as usual.

ITA and I think after Leslie's talk with Nick she said he was a sweetheart and a teddy bear and she was wrong to judge him - go figure

Lucas15 wrote:

bleuberry wrote:I hate to agree with RS, but... 
 

Could I understand his frustration when she was talking to him after stopping his proposal? Absolutely. Did I feel bad for the guy? Yes and no. Yes in the fact that no break up is ever fun. Ever. It just isn’t. And a break up on national television is that much worse. However, I say no because this is a show. He knew going in what this show is capable of and what could possibly happen to him. He just went through this a year ago. The second you sign on the dotted line (especially for a second time), you are at the mercy of the producers. You have no say in anything. They will tell the story they want to tell no matter how badly it might trample on somebody’s feelings or emotions. Nick was this season’s victim, plain and simple. Sure, he can ask Kaitlyn all he wants afterwards, “Well why didn’t you just spare me the embarrassment,” or “Why just not let me go early,” etc. I’m here to tell you it’s because that’s not a decision for her to make. Of course she rambled on and gave him some convoluted answer that he still probably doesn’t understand, but the real answer, the one that she couldn’t say, is “the producer’s made me.” Absolutely, 100% that speech by Nick and almost proposal was supposed to happen and Kaitlyn couldn’t do anything about it. I don’t think Kaitlyn is a mean, vindictive person, and yes, she obviously cared about Nick. So no one that cares about someone else would put them through that unless they were forced to. You are a pawn in their game. I guarantee she didn’t want to hear Nick make that speech and almost propose, but she had no choice. She just couldn’t tell him that on the ATFR.

Bleu thanks for posting this. I happen to agree completely with RS (as much as it pains me to do so) and I've posted this many times - as recently as (I think) earlier today - Kaitlyn let Nick go so far as to say what he said for one reason and one reason only - the producers made her and that's the one thing she couldn't say to Nick even though it's the truth. This is exactly what they did to Ashley (well they also lied to her) to get her to let Ben propose. We can say she had a choice but IMO the reality is she didn't have any choice. I should come as no surprise that there's a phrase in the contract like "I agree to follow all of Producer's rules, directions and instructions in all matters (including Participant selection and decisions regarding the creation and implementation of terms, conditions and rules governing the Series)."

She had no choice.
JMHO

chasingpavements wrote:I don't know...I don't think that contestants know as much as we think. I remember Molly talking about how she didn't even know that the lead wasn't the one who planned the dates until she got with Jason. Jason also talked about how he had a lot of questions for Deanna about why she let him propose that he didn't get answered until he talked to her after the ATFR. I think that Nick probably knows that the producers WANT both guys to propose, but I also think he thinks/knows that the lead can fight the producers on that. I personally think that's what Andi did and that's what Nick expected Kaitlyn to do. In terms of him asking on ATFR, I think that's just a standard question they all ask - Ben asked, Jason asked. I didn't think much of that.

And, again, even if she had to let him propose, she didn't have to say ILY multiple times. Reading his interview with reality TV world, he actually talked about how Kaitlyn was the one to question him again and again if he was ready to propose. She didn't need to do all that. Ali even said that it's a written rule that you're not allowed to say ILY before the final day, so that was a Kaitllyn thing, not a producer thing.

chasingpavements wrote:I don't know...I don't think that contestants know as much as we think. I remember Molly talking about how she didn't even know that the lead wasn't the one who planned the dates until she got with Jason. Jason also talked about how he had a lot of questions for Deanna about why she let him propose that he didn't get answered until he talked to her after the ATFR. I think that Nick probably knows that the producers WANT both guys to propose, but I also think he thinks/knows that the lead can fight the producers on that. I personally think that's what Andi did and that's what Nick expected Kaitlyn to do. In terms of him asking on ATFR, I think that's just a standard question they all ask - Ben asked, Jason asked. I didn't think much of that.

And, again, even if she had to let him propose, she didn't have to say ILY multiple times. Reading his interview with reality TV world, he actually talked about how Kaitlyn was the one to question him again and again if he was ready to propose. She didn't need to do all that. Ali even said that it's a written rule that you're not allowed to say ILY before the final day, so that was a Kaitllyn thing, not a producer thing.

peggy0221 wrote:I don't buy the RS theory about she has to kept Nick until he almost propose. This is Kaitlyn Bristow, who breaks rules and proud to be a rebel, no way she was listening to producer. 

If it was on her contract that 2 men had to be in the FRC, she could bring Jared, Joe, or even Cupcake.  I don't mean she should hurt anyone else by saying other guys name, but it really can be anyone else to be the F2. The reason why she brought Nick to the end was, she did feel for him BUT didn't care him enough as a friend, so she used his affection.

All my opinion, but it's what I think it went down.