The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - Epi 8 July 6th - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

I.A.....all the bachelors from the point TPTB started reusing those from a previous season of the bachelorette (i believe was season 13 of bach, Jason Messnick) who was the first and then all the bachelorettes have been on atleast twice....although i think some initially might have good intentions, I do believe that in the end and in most cases there back seeking an additional fame, hoping it will lead to bigger hollywood rexperiences. IE(I wish they'd pick one of the bachelorettes for DWTS, not just the bach)

Actually, they started retreads before Jason: Trista, Meredith, Jen S., Blob, Brad, Deanna. 
Trista was on DWTS and so was Melissa, even though she was not an 'Ette. I don't watch this show, so who they choose is not relevant to me.

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Kashathediva wrote:Actually, they started retreads before Jason: Trista, Meredith, Jen S., Blob, Brad, Deanna. 
Trista was on DWTS and so was Melissa, even though she was not an 'Ette. I don't watch this show, so who they choose is not relevant to me.

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I know all these ettes have been retreads, i was thinking with the guys it started with Jason, i stand correct as i had forgotten about Bob. Blob

happygolucky wrote:To specify the Nick's recounting:
he is sitting straight when he talks to Joe and JJ
when the other guys arrive - Jarred sits next to Nick
Nick recounts the date for the 2nd time, this time facing Jared and Shawn on his left ... sitting with his left leg crossed ...
when he talks about "intimate" ... he is sitting straight again ...
while the whole "scene" about guys "listening" is portrayed like everyone was facing Nick, sitting alone on the couch...
when the camera pans to Shawn quickly after the "intimate" word ... Jarred is sitting next to Nick again.

So basically, when he said "intimate" ... Jarred wasn't in the room .. neither was Shawn. - IMO

Eta: Ariela - thanks for taking your time to analyze and all good.

My only problem with the confusing camera panning during Nicks conversation with the guys is that during the "Kaitlyn in the casket group date"  Shawn says (paraphrasing) that he is having a problem watching Kaitlyn going on dates with other guys and Nick saying that Kaitlyn asked him to go back to her hotel, and that they were romantic....." so he basically confirms that Nick said all those things. If he was not there how would he know those specifics?

I know I'm guilty of not trusting many things on this show because MF plays a lot with previews with voiceovers (to get viewers to watch), but I'm not sure that there is a lot of dubbing during the actual scenes, as they are occurring. I also know that RS tells us that all these manipulations happen, so I become suspicious, especially when something is unbelievable to me. Lately, I've watched some interviews by past contestants, and they claim that nobody makes them do anything. The circumstances are there, and what you do with them is YOUR CALL....Basically, that scene is showing that later Nick is not totally truthful with Kaitlyn and is manipulative, whether that is his intention or not.

When the show is over all the contestants deny being jerks, but they can only blame so much on editing, imo. If you said it, it's on camera. WHAT possessed you to say it is debatable...

I have heard numerous past stories from cast of frankenbyting and dubbing. Many cast have done interviews saying certain things were said at different times and spliced into others.

Kashathediva wrote:I have heard numerous past stories from cast of frankenbyting and dubbing. Many cast have done interviews saying certain things were said at different times and spliced into others.

I've definitely seen/heard that on previews.....Nonetheless, some of us thought that maybe Nick didn't say any of these things in front of Shawn. Shawn repeated what he heard the night before, so we can rest the argument whether Shawn was in the room or not during Nick's bragging.

We can hear a VO of Nick saying "kinda romantic setting" ... that's the only time that word is mentioned, but it can't be placed when and to who he said it. Also about the "intimate" word ... we'll never know what followed later and how the sentence was delivered, but the guys didn't suspect of any deed, so Nick most probably wasn't so forward as it is implied.
As I posted that whole "scene" in episode 6. thread ... most of the shots of the guys "listening" were edited in that sequence, like they are "reacting" to Nick's recounting, but I highly doubt that they were actually listening to him at the moment that those takes were filmed. I'm not disputing that he did tell the guys about the date, but we may never know to who he told first and how little/much he said in Shawn's presence. (maybe he told a little bit more to Joe and JJ after everyone was gone and their scene wasn't filmed first as it was shown)

I love how all these blogs...sm descriptions etc., are so focused on N discussing a date HE was ASKED about. I remember Whit talking about her mural date with the girls gathered round. They obviously didn't need pacifiers packed in their suitcases when they left home. What show are we watching? That's right. It is what it is. I'm interested to see if being now scared of Shawn's reaction...how she interacts with N on this next episode and their 1/1.

Yes, mprssdbyu... if you can believe the words by Josh "the stripper", the producers would decide who should talk in the group (where and when) and they give them the topic to talk about (but leave the contestants to come up with the discussion on their own) ... so it was ironic last season, when first Britt was discussing her date (because she was asked to) ... and Whitney in her PI criticized Britt for being so outspoken about the events, because if it would be her she wouldn't tell ... then an episode later, Whitney discussed her romantic date ... again, because she had to.

happygolucky wrote:We can hear a VO of Nick saying "kinda romantic setting" ... that's the only time that word is mentioned, but it can't be placed when and to who he said it. Also about the "intimate" word ... we'll never know what followed later and how the sentence was delivered, but the guys didn't suspect of any deed, so Nick most probably wasn't so forward as it is implied.
As I posted that whole "scene" in episode 6. thread ... most of the shots of the guys "listening" were edited in that sequence, like they are "reacting" to Nick's recounting, but I highly doubt that they were actually listening to him at the moment that those takes were filmed. I'm not disputing that he did tell the guys about the date, but we may never know to who he told first and how little/much he said in Shawn's presence. (maybe he told a little bit more to Joe and JJ after everyone was gone and their scene wasn't filmed first as it was shown)

Either Shawn is psychic or Nick bragged in his presence, whether it was in the scene shown or at another time, because Shawn was VERY aware that Nick went back to Kaitlyn's place, and they were romantic... Nobody can be in such denial that they don't know what that means.
After knowing that, the word "intimate" is superfluous....imo

As to dubbing....maybe Fleiss should rename this show to "The Bachelor Ventriloquist"......

Again, if Shawn knows or even suspects something happened, why hasn't he confronted Kaitlyn about it, why are they teasing the big reveal if Shawn already knows, and why does US Weekly say he was blindsided?

For weeks they've shown SC of the guys receiving a group date rose and made it seem like that's when Kaitlyn tells the guys about the sex. Even thought they were perfectly content in that scene, the camera was able to pick moments where their expressions were contemplative and/or angry, which is why so many people believed it. Editing IS very a powerful technique, but you just have to know Shawn's actions and words since Dublin to know that he has no freaking idea.