The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - Epi 8 July 6th - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

Ariela, obviously we have very different standpoint... for you Nick is bragging ... for me Nick is simply recounting because he was asked to. Saying "the romantic setting" doesn't tell me much ... he could be talking about the dinner in the church for all we know and not about the late-night visit. And I do agree that Nick obviously did tell them all about the couch conversation, but I doubt he told them anything about the transfer to bedroom.

mprssdbyu wrote:I love how all these blogs...sm descriptions etc., are so focused on N discussing a date HE was ASKED about. I remember Whit talking about her mural date with the girls gathered round. They obviously didn't need pacifiers packed in their suitcases when they left home. What show are we watching? That's right. It is what it is. I'm interested to see if being now scared of Shawn's reaction...how she interacts with N on this next episode and their 1/1.

Lol I know right.... Like Nick is the first to be asked to talk about his date ever on this show. I am seriously bored now.

Ariela wrote:

happygolucky wrote:We can hear a VO of Nick saying "kinda romantic setting" ... that's the only time that word is mentioned, but it can't be placed when and to who he said it. Also about the "intimate" word ... we'll never know what followed later and how the sentence was delivered, but the guys didn't suspect of any deed, so Nick most probably wasn't so forward as it is implied.
As I posted that whole "scene" in episode 6. thread ... most of the shots of the guys "listening" were edited in that sequence, like they are "reacting" to Nick's recounting, but I highly doubt that they were actually listening to him at the moment that those takes were filmed. I'm not disputing that he did tell the guys about the date, but we may never know to who he told first and how little/much he said in Shawn's presence. (maybe he told a little bit more to Joe and JJ after everyone was gone and their scene wasn't filmed first as it was shown)

Either Shawn is psychic or Nick bragged in his presence, whether it was in the scene shown or at another time, because Shawn was VERY aware that Nick went back to Kaitlyn's place, and they were romantic... Nobody can be in such denial that they don't know what that means.
After knowing that, the word "intimate" is superfluous....imo

As to dubbing....maybe Fleiss should rename this show to "The Bachelor Ventriloquist"......

Welll...being romantic can mean kissing, holding hands, candles and wine. Romance has nothing to do with sex (okay, it certainly could lead to sex) but a feeling of connection and caring.  The whole premise of this show is romance (originally) and the idea that Nick says that the night was romantic is an absolute definition of what The Bachelor is supposed to be about. I'm not sure why Nick is being blasted for saying the evening was romantic. Their date in the cathedral was romantic (it was also filled with chemistry) Many things in Kaitlyn's season has followed the Bachelor plans for romance: Flying over the cliffs of Dover is romantic, dancing to a private concert is romantic, guys prancing around in diapers isn't romantic.

happygolucky wrote:Ariela, obviously we have very different standpoint... for you Nick is bragging ... for me Nick is simply recounting because he was asked to. Saying "the romantic setting" doesn't tell me much ... he could be talking about the dinner in the church for all we know and not about the late-night visit. And I do agree that Nick obviously did tell them all about the couch conversation, but I doubt he told them anything about the transfer to bedroom.

IA if these scenes are chopped and we don't see the full context of the conversation how do we even know if he was talking about the day portion and dinner of their date being intimate. I am really bored now

chasingpavements wrote:Again, if Shawn knows or even suspects something happened, why hasn't he confronted Kaitlyn about it, why are they teasing the big reveal if Shawn already knows, and why does US Weekly say he was blindsided?

K gave N reason to feel good about the date. I remember her "kissing Nick was GREAT" with a show of her hands if the interviewer still wasn't clear on how she was feeling so far on this 1/1. Shawn and the guys were absolutely fine when they left to go on group date. Shawn even cracked a good humored joke about spending the day with  Nick. He had NO CLUE of the events when he joked with light hearted humor. If so, that's not quite the mood he would have delivered that one liner, IMO. We are about to find out how the difference in N word intimate and K word intimate makes him feel...I think or so sm tells us.

mysthelma wrote:

mprssdbyu wrote:I love how all these blogs...sm descriptions etc., are so focused on N discussing a date HE was ASKED about. I remember Whit talking about her mural date with the girls gathered round. They obviously didn't need pacifiers packed in their suitcases when they left home. What show are we watching? That's right. It is what it is. I'm interested to see if being now scared of Shawn's reaction...how she interacts with N on this next episode and their 1/1.

Lol I know right.... Like Nick is the first to be asked to talk about his date ever on this show. I am seriously bored now.

Nick even said "if I didn't have to talk about our dates, I wouldn't". Sharleen talked about that in her blog too, saying that the producers will ask you to repeat the story again and again until certain buzz words come out.

And, hey, let's just hypothetically say that these guys were able to figure out sex happened and are just being super cool about it. Then they must know about Shawn/Kaitlyn sex too, since Joe told us that Kaitlyn and Shawn got to spend extra time after their date in San Antonio. If Nicks words alluded to sex, so does that (IMO).

I'm not going to requote you CP, but I felt strongly at one point K and S did play house before N. But...I have decided I must have overplayed that "you're the one" scene in my mind. Heck I even considered it happening in that kayak. Did we not see a scene where K was talking to CH in a chair...talking about sex. I wish I could recall her dress and hairstyle in that clip cause I haven't seen it yet.

IMO the most recent article in US Weekly reports that Shawn was completely blindsided when Kaitlyn told him she had sex with Nick so regardless of anything else, it appears that Nick did not give enough specific information for anyone to know that he had sex with Kaitlyn. Hints maybe - guessing maybe - but he did not tell.

However - the editors chose to show us an edited clip that IMO made it appear that Nick was saying things to the guys that he later denied he said to Kaitlyn; IMO the editors wanted to make it appear that Nick lied to Kaitlyn even though he may not have.

And when Kaitlyn approached Nick and asked him not to tell the guys about what happened back in her hotel room, Nick got very nervous, started to sweat, blushed, and started to exhibit other nervous mannerisms. IMO he looked guilty and I think other viewers could have reached the same perceptions - he lied to Kaitlyn because they saw it (or believed they saw it) and acted guilty when she asked him not to talk about it.

Lucas15 wrote:IMO the most recent article in US Weekly reports that Shawn was completely blindsided when Kaitlyn told him she had sex with Nick so regardless of anything else, it appears that Nick did not give enough specific information for anyone to know that he had sex with Kaitlyn. Hints maybe - guessing maybe - but he did not tell.

However - the editors chose to show us an edited clip that IMO made it appear that Nick was saying things to the guys that he later denied he said to Kaitlyn; IMO the editors wanted to make it appear that Nick lied to Kaitlyn even though he may not have.

And when Kaitlyn approached Nick and asked him not to tell the guys about what happened back in her hotel room, Nick got very nervous, started to sweat, blushed, and started to exhibit other nervous mannerisms. IMO he looked guilty and I think other viewers could have reached the same perceptions - he lied to Kaitlyn because they saw it (or believed they saw it) and acted guilty when she asked him not to talk about it.

I respectfully disagree. That is not what I saw. To me, if it quacks like a duck ....to me there is no perception, but I am going by what Nick said....You know there is all kinds of lying, sometimes by omission.

IMO, Nicked bragged a little more than the others, then denied saying anything like "romantic....". Based on what he said and what Shawn said during the GD, it was enough for Shawn to be concerned that A LOT was going on between Nick and K....sex may have not been on the table yet, because I don't believe that anyone at that point would have even thought that sex was possible. Everyone thinks IT happens during the FS.

chasingpavements wrote:Again, if Shawn knows or even suspects something happened, why hasn't he confronted Kaitlyn about it, why are they teasing the big reveal if Shawn already knows, and why does US Weekly say he was blindsided?

For weeks they've shown SC of the guys receiving a group date rose and made it seem like that's when Kaitlyn tells the guys about the sex. Even thought they were perfectly content in that scene, the camera was able to pick moments where their expressions were contemplative and/or angry, which is why so many people believed it. Editing IS very a powerful technique, but you just have to know Shawn's actions and words since Dublin to know that he has no freaking idea.

Exactly what I said in a different thread. Yes, I agree TPTB edited it to appear Nick kissed and told, but that's because they want to create drama which =rating.
Plus, Nick told K he didn't, he tweeted he didn't. IF he did, why no other contestants called him out on that? Or have I missed it?

I don't think you or anyone else missed it. I don't think Nick did spill the beans.

Kashathediva wrote:I don't think you or anyone else missed it. I don't think Nick did spill the beans.

I don't think he did either, but the fact that we (and most of the viewers) are still talking about it means that the producers did their job of creating doubt and continuing the controversy. All they needed to do was light a little spark and it would grow like a wild fire on its own.