The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - Epi 7 Jun 29th - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

Alanna wrote:I'm really curious to see her blog and snapchat recap today.

She has really made a mess of things but it does crack me up that she's somehow convinced herself that the mistake wasn't sex with Nick but reassuring Shawn too much, but the Nick Sex will ruin her future and her happiness somehow, even though it's not a mistake. Wow. This is so logical!! Good for Kait. She can teach philosophy somewhere just in case being a reality tv star falls through as a career.

Oh and when she was talking to Nick at the cocktail party, I seriously had flashbacks to Gone Girl, where the philandering husband is trying to talk to the stupid 22 year old and convince her to not tell anyone about their affair. He's juuuuust on the edge of screaming at her and really freaking out, but he can't because he knows if he loses his cool, she'll tell, so he has to balance being nice and kind with being really, really, really clear that she better not breathe a word of this to anyone.

This is going to be her legacy, that she's that bachelorette  who slept around  in the guise of finding a husband.  I still think she's in denial of how much impact this will have in her life, her family (I dont know how liberated/free spirited her parents are, but I wonder if her mom goes to the supermarket and has to deal with a random about how trampy her daughter is behaving on national television) and her future family.  This is going to be the biggest thing she will be known for for the rest of her liiiife.. unless she discovers the cure for cancer or other lofty achievement in the future.  So like Andi, she will seek fame and fortune again via reality tv or cheaply made   youtube series.  I didn't think Blob recovered from that image of someone who is so sex starved and icky that you remember him when you see shenanigans like this.

As for Shawn, he was emotionally invested, manipulated by both the lead and production, assured that he's the one, became territorial but his male intuition (TM Josh) tells him Kaitlyn cannot be trusted alone with the opposite sex that she is attracted to.  It is a total mindf*ck.

This looks like a real relationship because immature and dysfunctional people know how to bring on the drama because normalcy bores them.

Kaitlyn and Shawn  remind me of Vienna Girardi and Kacey Kahl ( I'm ashamed I know their names but in my defense I googled them hehe) they have a "real relationship"  in a reality tv way and ended up in Relationship Rehab which I think Shawn and Kate will get their next reality tv livelihood from.

PS: I love Gone Girl, both the book and the movie

iamreal2u wrote:I am not sure how Shawn suppose to react.  It's human nature that if you fall in love with someone and that someone is telling you that you are the one, I'm in love with you as well.  All's good.  Suddenly you walking in a room and she has her tongue down someone throat and that someone's hand is up her dress.  How is he suppose to feel.  He's only human.  And then he finds out she had sex as well.  oy vey.  

ITA.

Your perception of Shawn's behavior depends on your own self  respect, and your self esteem. We have opinions based on our own personalities. If your morals are such that sleeping around is ok, you will see Shawn as jealous and possessive, because your perception may be that it's ok to sleep around and your boyfriend/husband should trust you, and hold back his being and self respect...and given the set of circumstances of this show, it's all good. Shawn should hush and understand.

*edited**I would have left. NOBODY is worth that type of disrespect. It's about HOW Kaitlyn went about it. The ultimate betrayal-She chose his nemesis to do IT with.

If you see Kaitlyn's act with Nick as subversive(because no self respecting, healthy self esteem person would say it's ok to say "you're the one" then sleep with another), you will say that Shawn has every right to call her out and feel that something doesn't appear to be right.

IMO, Shawn can feel that something is off, and at the present time he thinks it's because Kaitlyn told him he's the one too soon, and he was counting his eggs....too soon, and that is why he's feeling unusually insecure. I wonder how he will feel after he finds out that what he was feeling was a lot worse than just a premature "you're the one"....? He's reacting to his sixth sense speaking to him on a subconscious level...he just doesn't know the extent of it.

I agree about the drama Shawn is bringing to the show. Looks like it continues next week for sure. The video clip of telling Nick to get out of his face. Then when he stops the rose ceremony to "get the last word". Sorry don't like how needy he is. If Kaitlyn took him off the market good for her so no one else will be stuck with him.

Allow me to be a bit of a downer, then I'll be upbeat once again!

I have a huge problem with the editing of the show. Shawn doesn't seem to care about Kaitlyn. He seems to care about himself. She is the Bachelorette, obviously going to date 25 men casually and probably 10 very seriously and it is a TV show for God's sake, and he didn't know this? He calls her out by repeatedly saying "her actions don't match with what she told me" (lack of trust) and then he rats her out by telling anyone who would listen that she said he was "the one." That can ruin all the other relationships faster than anything. To top it off, he never says her name, "I love the girl" is what he offers. Put that on top of the fact that he might at this point have spent 48 hours total with her and he seems like an obsessive, immature, angry guy. Now, is this really who he is? Probably not, but I know nothing about him but that he is a personal trainer, he almost died in a car crash, he showed nice photos of his family to her, gave her his t-shirt and they kayaked together. No interesting or deep conversation, no fun banter, nothing. It is so boring to not know any part of their personalities but this scary brooding part of Shawn and so I think TPTB have royally messed up this season. There had to be 1.5 hours of fretting and crying last night and no advancement of any relationship's story. At least the prior episode gave a little 50 Shades of Nick - enjoyable to watch but again, nothing of their relationship was shown either, just kissing and their talking about following their hearts and taking a risk. Where is the laughing and building memories and talking about their lives and all that? Kaitlyn says "we had great conversation" but we didn't get to see any of it. Even Chris' one on one helicopter date was just emotion, tears, and a grand way to dump him.

Totally disappointed with this last episode and hoping there is some real relationship building shown before this ends. Maybe the blooper reel will show us some of the actual relationships!

Sorry to be a downer, but I like Kaitlyn and I think the editing of the show is very poor because I know nothing about her either, except that she has a funny laugh and is afraid of birds and is looking for a husband. If this were a novel, I'd have to set it aside along time ago because there is no story!

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soccermom333 wrote:^^^ It is your right not to watch but imo you are missing out on a great opportunity.  It is soooo fascinating watching and knowing the ending.  I love it!  

Shawn is laughing at himself on SM and that is a good sign.  He is not taking this silly show seriously!  He is probably grateful for meeting Kaitlyn and excited to see where it goes, but he can laugh at himself and the editing.  

TPTB are loving all the "man" tears Kait is bringing out in everyone!

I think Kaitlyn recognized herself in Shawn and so she knew how that felt in the real world. She has been a Shawn!!

 Now I don't know her but she did say she's dated Jocks/Hockey Players and that they wouldn't jump over puddles for her.  It's true with a lot of Jocks, they have women falling at their feet and if it doesn't work out with one it's no biggie, there is another one waiting to take your place!!  I think that was her, hurt, insecure and no matter what she did to encourage them to like her more, she would have to eventually leave..

So here is this guy blubbering away, trying to get her to chose him and being so insecure, just as she has for so long!!! Right from the moment they met he has made it clear he is in love with her and that blew her away!! You could see it in her face!! No guy has ever done that before to her!!!  

Now I could be wrong but I see the blind leading the blind here, both Very, Very Insecure!!! I'm no expert on that kind of relationship but I can't see them making it in the real world.
I love how Kaitlyn keeps telling the world that she is a Grown Woman and she does what she wants!!  She puts her Big Girl Panties on, so to speak, but that is a façade to me!!!  

So IMO we have 2 insecure people trying to make it in the real world and not just a normal world but a world where they will have to answer questions about what they did or didn't do over and over and over again.  It'll be like no where for them to hide!!!  It will be a tough road and I think in the end it will be another Andi/Josh!  Just saying.

As far as the bolded, I enjoy it here, sounds like a whole lot of train wrecks happening to me and I'd rather read about it then have to sit down and watch it!!  JMO

^^ How did the Irish gals react when they saw the fine men walking around in one group. Which one should I pick while drooling. Umm.

Ariela wrote:*** snipped*** Your perception of Shawn's behavior depends on your own self  respect, and your self esteem. We have opinions based on our own personalities. If your morals are such that sleeping around is ok, you will see Shawn as jealous and possessive, because your perception may be that it's ok to sleep around and your boyfriend/husband should trust you, and hold back his being and self respect...and given the set of circumstances of this show, it's all good. Shawn should hush and understand. ***snipped***

I haven't read a single comment of anyone saying that. I'm almost certain that all who wrote about Shawn actually don't like Kaitlyn's behavior regarding sex with Nick ... that said, the jealousy and possessiveness that some describe is drawn from the fact that Shawn doesn't know about Kaitlyn's sexcapade with Nick yet and all his "mistrust" was because of some group date rose (and extra time) given to Jared and the fact that Kaitlyn was dating multiple guys - which is the whole premise of the show. So I don't think personal morals are in play yet ... we can talk about that once Shawn finds out about "the sex with the other guy".

Great point, Happy! Shawn doesn't even know about the sex yet - oh dear - he was furious/hurt that Jared got the group date rose. Really? This is the Bachelorette - period, he should know that is how it is supposed to go yet he feels entitled to the group date rose and downright angry when he didn't get it.

If they end up together in the end, I hope TPTB at least show a real tender, interesting side of Shawn, because it would be nice to be able to root for him more.

I just wish Shawn would have stayed in his own room, maybe then we would have seen more of Ireland instead of a couch.

Bet2Win wrote:I just wish Shawn would have stayed in his own room, maybe then we would have seen more of Ireland instead of a couch.

ROFL good one.

Brill wrote:

soccermom333 wrote:^^^ It is your right not to watch but imo you are missing out on a great opportunity.  It is soooo fascinating watching and knowing the ending.  I love it!  

Shawn is laughing at himself on SM and that is a good sign.  He is not taking this silly show seriously!  He is probably grateful for meeting Kaitlyn and excited to see where it goes, but he can laugh at himself and the editing.  

TPTB are loving all the "man" tears Kait is bringing out in everyone!

I think Kaitlyn recognized herself in Shawn and so she knew how that felt in the real world. She has been a Shawn!!

 Now I don't know her but she did say she's dated Jocks/Hockey Players and that they wouldn't jump over puddles for her.  It's true with a lot of Jocks, they have women falling at their feet and if it doesn't work out with one it's no biggie, there is another one waiting to take your place!!  I think that was her, hurt, insecure and no matter what she did to encourage them to like her more, she would have to eventually leave..

So here is this guy blubbering away, trying to get her to chose him and being so insecure, just as she has for so long!!! Right from the moment they met he has made it clear he is in love with her and that blew her away!! You could see it in her face!! No guy has ever done that before to her!!!  

Now I could be wrong but I see the blind leading the blind here, both Very, Very Insecure!!! I'm no expert on that kind of relationship but I can't see them making it in the real world.
I love how Kaitlyn keeps telling the world that she is a Grown Woman and she does what she wants!!  She puts her Big Girl Panties on, so to speak, but that is a façade to me!!!  

So IMO we have 2 insecure people trying to make it in the real world and not just a normal world but a world where they will have to answer questions about what they did or didn't do over and over and over again.  It'll be like no where for them to hide!!!  It will be a tough road and I think in the end it will be another Andi/Josh!  Just saying.

As far as the bolded, I enjoy it here, sounds like a whole lot of train wrecks happening to me and I'd rather read about it then have to sit down and watch it!!  JMO

Brill, I could not agree with you more!!!  Last night I felt like I was watching a teenager trying to reconcile all the relationship messes that she had made.  I did not see a mature 30-year-old woman, who was confident and secure.  And, I think that Chris (Cupcake) said it best last night when he said that he didn't think that Kaitlyn knew what she really wanted.

I am trying my best to hang in there and finish watching the rest of this season, but it has been such a mess.  I really feel sorry for a lot of the guys that were cast on this season, because they got shortchanged with Kaitlyn being the lead.  I really like what I have seen of Ben Z, Ben H, Jared, and Chris, and they all had zero chance of finding love with Kaitlyn.  Those guys deserved better than what they got.

And for the life of me, I just can not see how Shawn and Kaitlyn are such a good match.  I thought that humor and laughter were such an important part of Kaitlyn's life.  Where is the silly banter and laughter?  She certainly had that with Jared.  We don't see him moping around and threatening to leave.

So, I truly hope that we will hear from some of the guys that lived with Shawn, after this show wraps up.  I know that he is close to Chris now, but I would love to hear an unbiased opinion from some of the other guys.  Shawn does not seem to have a lot of personality to me, and given his obvious insecurities while on the show, I doubt that most of those guys saw much of a humorous side to him.  I look forward to hearing some of them discuss this season, more so than the actual ending itself.