The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - Epi 7 Jun 29th - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

LenaActually wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:

bleuberry wrote:I have never been so over a season. Ready for the finale now.

You and me both.
I am ready for 6 months post-ATFR.

As you guys can see, I'm very new to Bachelornation, this is my first season watching in real time.  I've only seen Andi and Chris' season and when I did it was way after the fact. But when posters say they dislike this season I'm genuinely confused. I think Kaitlyn's season has made for some great TV! I'm sucked in every episode and I genuinely care for the contestants and Kaitlyn herself. Yes, there's a lot of drama but I'm loving it, especially Kaitlyn and Shawn's relationship progression. A lot of the issues they tackle aren't usually brought up between the contestants and the lead, which I think has a lot to do with the success rate of the couples that get engaged on the show. Do I think they will last? Probably not, but that doesn't take away from how much I enjoy watching the two of them.

Welcome to the board and the show, Lena. I am glad you are enjoying the show.

For me, it is probably just the effects of having watched this show since its infancy and coming off what I would call the most realistic season ever on Bachelor New Zealand. Most real-life season I have ever seen. Everyone watches for different reasons, usually I try to watch for the love story and prefer the sex/drama to be at a minimum so this season is not so great to watch just for me personally because it feels like sex-drama-sex-drama. But there's still hope yet for a love story so I will stick it out

That being said, I really enjoy this forum and love that everyone can have different views and perspectives, and that is what makes the show fun for me.  

This episode was "The Kaitlyn and Shawn Show."

~About Shawngate: I was very impressed with S&K's communication in her hotel room. It doesn't come as easily for men to be as cathartic as Shawn was. And Kaitlyn stepped up to the plate and dished him some humble pie. I think his respect for her when up a few notches after that (although some of that will slide down after sexgate)
~If they can be this open and honest with each other, it could bode well for them post-ATFR. K seemed frustrated with having to give Shawn reassurance and says in her blog she needs an emotionally strong man. On the surface it may seem like Shawn is weak and breaking down with the process. True, he is having trouble with it. But he is handling Kaitlyn quite well emotionally. Another man might utilize other unsavory defense mechanisms to get through this. I'm guessing I'm in the minority in thinking that Shawn's approach might make them more successful post-show. Being as vulnerable as he's been with K and the other guys on national t.v. takes guts, IMO.

~I see Kaitlyn being so terrified about Shawn's reaction to sexgate that she is starting to displace her own guilt onto Shawn and exhibit that classic defense mechanism, detachment. ...pushing him away just in case he wants to bolt after all is said and done.
~I'm still seeing something very organic with these two. It's like watching two hummingbirds dance. Nothing is forced. The way they speak and touch is as if they've been together much longer than they've been.

~No open-mouthed kisses with friendzoned Jared.

~Cupcake date...I don't know what was more of a hot mess...Kaitlyn herself or Kaitlyn's ponytail? I think the breathtaking scenery put a big 'ole lump in her thoat...she just seemed so frustrated...that she couldn't be sharing this magical place with the man she was falling in love with. That's my take on it.

Great post, Agent, as always!!!

I think Kait is partly pushing Shawn away because the Nick sex has colored everything now, it's all she can think about and it's messing with her mind in dealing with Shawn IMO. I wonder how she'll be intimate with him again in the fs because she must start associating it with nothing but fear and anxiety at this point.

Alanna wrote:Great post, Agent, as always!!!

I think Kait is partly pushing Shawn away because the Nick sex has colored everything now, it's all she can think about and it's messing with her mind in dealing with Shawn IMO. I wonder how she'll be intimate with him again in the fs because she must start associating it with nothing but fear and anxiety at this point.

IA, A! And I agree (Kasha) sometimes she is thinking with her other head.

I'm so confused, do women have another head?

Yup but it doesn't sit on their neck

And I thought that was just guys.  

charriotoffire wrote:

Alanna wrote:I'm really curious to see her blog and snapchat recap today.

She has really made a mess of things but it does crack me up that she's somehow convinced herself that the mistake wasn't sex with Nick but reassuring Shawn too much, but the Nick Sex will ruin her future and her happiness somehow, even though it's not a mistake. Wow. This is so logical!! Good for Kait. She can teach philosophy somewhere just in case being a reality tv star falls through as a career.

Oh and when she was talking to Nick at the cocktail party, I seriously had flashbacks to Gone Girl, where the philandering husband is trying to talk to the stupid 22 year old and convince her to not tell anyone about their affair. He's juuuuust on the edge of screaming at her and really freaking out, but he can't because he knows if he loses his cool, she'll tell, so he has to balance being nice and kind with being really, really, really clear that she better not breathe a word of this to anyone.

This is going to be her legacy, that she's that bachelorette  who slept around  in the guise of finding a husband.  I still think she's in denial of how much impact this will have in her life, her family (I dont know how liberated/free spirited her parents are, but I wonder if her mom goes to the supermarket and has to deal with a random about how trampy her daughter is behaving on national television) and her future family.  This is going to be the biggest thing she will be known for for the rest of her liiiife.. unless she discovers the cure for cancer or other lofty achievement in the future.  So like Andi, she will seek fame and fortune again via reality tv or cheaply made   youtube series.  I didn't think Blob recovered from that image of someone who is so sex starved and icky that you remember him when you see shenanigans like this.

As for Shawn, he was emotionally invested, manipulated by both the lead and production, assured that he's the one, became territorial but his male intuition (TM Josh) tells him Kaitlyn cannot be trusted alone with the opposite sex that she is attracted to.  It is a total mindf*ck.

This looks like a real relationship because immature and dysfunctional people know how to bring on the drama because normalcy bores them.

Kaitlyn and Shawn  remind me of Vienna Girardi and Kacey Kahl ( I'm ashamed I know their names but in my defense I googled them hehe) they have a "real relationship"  in a reality tv way and ended up in Relationship Rehab which I think Shawn and Kate will get their next reality tv livelihood from.

PS: I love Gone Girl, both the book and the movie

Both great posts, Vienna and Kasey, good call on that Chariots!

Alanna, I think at the beginning of the epi sex with Nick was the big mistake, but since Nick reacted like a grown up and understood Kaitlyn still had a show to do and didn't freak out and need her to make him feel better and also kept his mouth shut, it lost it's focus and critical mistake factor to her because she had Shawn melting down, begging her to say ILY and coming to get her to show her he was the "one" because of Jared getting a rose and Joe saying he was falling in love. For Kaitlyn I think the second visit from Shawn pushed her from oops I told him he is the one, but I meant it, so just let me get through this TO OMG telling him he is the one is a mistake because he is going to melt down every date I go on AND I have to go on dates, I have to finish this, and instead of enjoying Ireland, I am sitting in fear of the next thing that will put Shawn in meltdown mode.

I think she was floored that after she slept with Nick and felt quilt you all week, that Shawn was freaking out about Kaitlyn essentially doing her job. Now, if he really learned his lesson, then great, they have a chance in real life, but if this is the real Shawn, they are doomed to failure. Because Kaitlyn is a self admitted mistake maker with a good heart, so if he is going to keep acting like this IRL, they will fail miserably, because Kaitlyn is a flirt, she is suggestive, and if Shawn is going to lose his marbles over that IRL it will be a problem.

It was also obvious that she doesn't give a poop about Nick. JMO, Nick sticks around because TPTB have him by the short and curlies and he has to finish playing their game for the threat of lawsuit to go away. She made it very clear that she cares about how their intimacy affects her going forward, not them. Because in her eyes their is no them only her. So unlike Shawn, where she sees a them, and so is upset that this is how Shawn will act in everyday life. She is willing to apologize for her mistakes, but giving Jared a GDR and going on a date were not mistakes, they were requirements of her job. And I do think she worries, if he is so mad about the things I haven't done wrong how the heck will he handle that I often do do things wrong.

If Shawn had been freaked out over her sex or intimacy with Nick, IMO, she would have been contrite and done anything and everything to please him. We got tough with Shawn and regretting your the one Kaitlyn because Shawn was melting down over what in her and my mind was stupid poop.

This will either be really good or really bad for them IRL, either Shawn genuinely learned to accept the small stuff and trust Kaitlyn more on the small stuff or they are doomed to failure. Because once this show is over I hope that Kaitlyn's sex drive will be fulfilled enough by Shawn that she won't be scratching her itches with anyone else and he won't have real worries about her. BTW, I think Ben makes it to F3 to be bachelor, but also because she knew he would not expect intimacy with her and therefore be less of a temptation. I do wonder if she might have scratched the itch with Jared too bad he been F3, just because she has no restraint at this point.

Bet2Win wrote:And I thought that was just guys.  

Women are stepping up to the plate. It's a new dawn. Our other head may be lagging due to discriminations of the past and still only be up to 77% of what men have, but in our enlightened society anything can happen! 

I find it hilarious that CH said they may as well just go to the FD's The horse has already left the barn....so wh not let all the guys sleep with her to make it a level playing field!! Wow .... Just wow. All that's missing is a scene with the Fonz doing a shark jump

Chris Manson is simply helping to level the plowing field.
 He is making it easier for K to go down on 3 vs 6. Seriously, most of us have been there and can empathize. When you aren't really interested in all 6 why not go down on 3 instead? Less messy, IMHOAA.

Kashathediva -- you always make me laugh!