The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - Epi 7 Jun 29th - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

I am sorry if this hurts but I have no respect for shawn, you dont need to be in a relationship built on guilt.  If it was me I would say you cant handle the situation leave.  I need someone who can trust me.  From the moment he said you are not smart I was over Shawn and I believe to this day he is guilting her to stay with him, until something better comes along and he is done with her.


Shawn is reminding me of JANE in BRYON season who was the front runner until Mary comes along cant remember her name.  If kaitlyn had time to think and sort out her feelings I believe we would have had a different ending.

Yup -- so my thought was K's having sex early + shawn's reactions which are diff from other guys from past season just may have stopped this season in it's tracks and now building the relationships -- any of them has become an uphill battle

If K had sex early but Shawn was cool -- everything would be fine IMHO
I also don't think he was her F1 at that as she said it -->> in san antonio in the moment -- was a frontrunner

Ariela wrote:

reason wrote:Right Lex, I still believe she has unresolve feelings and after last night I am glad Nick is not the one she choose because he will find someone who will like the authentic guy I saw last night.  His edit is softening and now I am more curious about him.

Nick may seem authentic to YOU, but he still does not look her in the eye when he speaks....to me that is not authentic.
IMO, allowing Nick on this show is a Nick wanting more fame plant, and producer, more drama plant.

As I said before, Nick can find tons of women in Chicago. Kaitlyn is not the only woman on earth. It's about TV and ratings.

every contestant, every single one, can meet someone in their real lives, not only Nick.
So everyone of them are looking for fame, everyone.

And I do hope you know that, it's not always easy the meet someone you really like.
Yea, there are about 50% male on earth, but I just love one.
there maybe a lot of women in Chicago, in the US, but this one happens to be one Nick wants to know more.

iamreal2u wrote:^^ Then again Ashley and Ali did not have to carry around the guilt that they slept with their F2 so early and worried that their F1 would find out.

This is what confuses me, because obviously Kaitlyn wasn't that into Shawn to be so easily swept away to go have sex with Nick. Sex which she initiated.

I'm really tired of seeing Shawn always putting his feelings/needs first and the constant whining about how difficult this is for him. Kaitlyn looks so drained and IMO it all stems from Shawn. His first instinct isn't to make sure Kaitlyn is okay, it's to make sure he feels good, unlike Nick, and Jared and I'm sure some of the other guys. All of this Shawn drama is reminding me so much of Des with Brooks, Ashley with Bently, Ali with Frank, and neither of them ended up f1.

I understand where Shawn is coming from. What Kaitlyn did to him was messed up on so many levels, mindless meaningless sex would have been way better than the mind game she played with him. How many guys were left at this point and yet she felt it was ok to tell him, you are the one, mind you, in the bubble, all you do is think about the lead. Didn't I read somewhere that one F2 proposed because his producer told him as hearsay, the lead is in love with you, she says you are the one ,not to talk of hearing it from the lead herself, no wonder, he stayed till the end.

leselihau wrote:The whole Shawn & Kaitlyn storyline is fishy to me.  I think there's A LOT of producer manipulation going on with them.  I have a hard time believing that he can just "choose" to go visit K whenever he wishes because he knows her room number.  And I have an even harder time believing that production wasn't behind her visit "off camera" to Shawn & Ben H's room.  I think they both are being completely and utterly mind f*cked (for lack of a better word).  And I agree that they can't use it if you don't say it....but I think producers are heavily prodding this storyline.

I also completely believe that if you don't play well with production they will give you a bad edit.  I think Kaitlyn's snapchat incident is now being vindicated in the K&S edit...and more directly in K's edit.  They're going to crucify and vilify her worse than they would have without the snapchat incident.

This is all JMHO.

I agree something definitely is up. The producers are throwing them under the bus IMO. I do sometimes think that they did have sex and she told him he was the one and to stick it out to the end of the show and now she's having a hard time with it. Their body language is very intimate and close. They also hid a lot of conversation between the 2 because it seems the producers turned off her mike when it was apparent she was talking to Shawn about something.

Kashathediva wrote:I actually think the idea to cut from 6 to 3 was not totally Chris Manson's. I think K was quite on board with this. For all we know it was her decision.

IMO it was her request that the show granted. She showed little real surprise when CH told her, and CH's "delivery" reminded me of his delivery when he talked to Ashley about Bentley - acting stuff out for the camera. While CH's reasons seemed to make sense they actually made no sense at all except for one thing - the new schedule gives Kaitlyn a FD with Shawn much sooner than a "normal" schedule would have and that is what I think she wanted. She said last night that she needed the right time to tell Shawn and I ponder - when would she think the time would be right?

Based on the edited Kaitlyn I've been watching, I think her idea of the "right" time is the Intermission between Act 1 and Act 2 of the Mike Fleiss production of the play "Let's Play Doctor In The Fantasy Suite". What IMO Kaitlyn probably doesn't realize is that there's no way the producer of that play is going to let her do it the way she thinks he will; the show has basically set all the big drama for the whole season on that one element - how is Kaitlyn going to explain what happened to Shawn and what is Shawn going to do when he finally learns about it? There's no way they are going to let that happen off camera.

Producer driven or not, Shawn definitely is an immature guy!
He is not the only one who is going through the crazy process, he is not the only one who have genuine feelings. But he is the one feeling so entitled. He lost all his charm this episode. He definitely is the male Britt.

And I still remember what Des said to her Chris during the FRC, "you have been by my side from the very beginning, and you never lost sight of what we could have..." Both Chris and JP have never threaten the lead that they would leave, instead, they kept thinking of what the relationship could be, they only talked about positive things with the lead, and the most important, they always made the lead happy and at ease. Shawn did everything the opposite way.

Max64 wrote:

iamreal2u wrote:^^ Then again Ashley and Ali did not have to carry around the guilt that they slept with their F2 so early and worried that their F1 would find out.

This is what confuses me, because obviously Kaitlyn wasn't that into Shawn to be so easily swept away to go have sex with Nick.  Sex which she initiated.  

I'm really tired of seeing Shawn always putting his feelings/needs first and the constant whining about how difficult this is for him.  Kaitlyn looks so drained and IMO it all stems from Shawn.  His first instinct isn't to make sure Kaitlyn is okay, it's to make sure he feels good, unlike Nick, and Jared and I'm sure some of the other guys.  All of this Shawn drama is reminding me so much of Des with Brooks, Ashley with Bently, Ali with Frank, and neither of them ended up f1.

I completely agree with this point about shawn's focus on his emotional wellbeing first and foremost along with his inability to empathize with K up to the moment when she made a statement about feeling like she made mistakes. then even more bizarrely he completely FLIPS i.e. now going into chasing mode -- making sweeping statements absolving K of everything he accused her of. He seems very in the moment and like he's not truly trying to be considerate of her needs and feelings given the complication of the situation... it comes off as very immature to me... esp for someone who went into a show where the girl is dating many guys. even before K gave him that reassurance shawn was acting pretty ridiculously when it comes to Nick -- not calling him by his name, deciding who the guy is without wanting to talk to him, questioning K's smarts and telling her he doesn't quite trust her judgement etc.... his behavior is very erratic and IMHO VERY immature and not very considerate at all of K and her needs particularly if you look at his experience in the bigger picture of this show. his behavior makes him come off as quite self-absorbed particularly in contrast to the likes of Ben and Jared. I'd say ALL the guys left now have been very respectful of the boundaries K needs to go through this process...except for shawn

isittrue wrote:

leselihau wrote:The whole Shawn & Kaitlyn storyline is fishy to me.  I think there's A LOT of producer manipulation going on with them.  I have a hard time believing that he can just "choose" to go visit K whenever he wishes because he knows her room number.  And I have an even harder time believing that production wasn't behind her visit "off camera" to Shawn & Ben H's room.  I think they both are being completely and utterly mind f*cked (for lack of a better word).  And I agree that they can't use it if you don't say it....but I think producers are heavily prodding this storyline.

I also completely believe that if you don't play well with production they will give you a bad edit.  I think Kaitlyn's snapchat incident is now being vindicated in the K&S edit...and more directly in K's edit.  They're going to crucify and vilify her worse than they would have without the snapchat incident.

This is all JMHO.

I agree something definitely is up. The producers are throwing them under the bus IMO.  I do sometimes think that they did have sex and she told him he was the one and to stick it out to the end of the show and now she's having a hard time with it.  Their body language is very intimate and close. They also hid a lot of conversation between the 2 because it seems the producers turned off her mike when it was apparent she was talking to Shawn about something.  

Yes to both of these posts. Totally and fully 100% yes, there is something SO not right about this Shawn and Kait storyline that they're showing us imo.

I have no idea what's going on behind the scenes, but the way they're acting together, I tend to think there is way more to this saga than what we're seeing. Just based on their body language alone, there is no way they haven't slept together also imo. You can tell a couple's body language before and after getting intimate and yeah, they've been there, done that.

reason wrote:I am sorry if this hurts but I have no respect for shawn, you dont need to be in a relationship built on guilt.  If it was me I would say you cant handle the situation leave.  I need someone who can trust me.  From the moment he said you are not smart I was over Shawn and I believe to this day he is guilting her to stay with him, until something better comes along and he is done with her.


Shawn is reminding me of JANE in BRYON season who was the front runner until Mary comes along cant remember her name.  If kaitlyn had time to think and sort out her feelings I believe we would have had a different ending.

Yes this is how I see Shawn=Jane Nick=Mary in Byron's season! What a mess!

At the start of the season, I thought Shawn B was a fairly good looking guy. But he is becoming more and more unattractive to me the more we see his crazy behaviour