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Post by stuckinsc Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:01 pm

mindless wrote:I really don't see Kaitlyn leaving Nick in the dark about the outcome for over month, especially since they were friends before and had each others' phone numbers and email addresses and followed each other on SM. There's no reason for her to be so cruel as to leave him with false hope. Even if the producers told her to, she could've easily contacted him in private without them knowing. That's what friends do. She's not **edited**

Personally, the whole Kaitlyn picks no one to me was put out there to foil the pompous one.  They did the same thing for Ali.  Just like Ali, it was not unreasonable to think Kaitlyn would not want to leave this whole thing engaged.  I don't think it had anything to do with Nick.

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I also think Nick grew from last years experience.  He realizes the mistakes he made and how the show can make it feel like forever and then magically once it is over, you realize it was for the best.  It probably helps to have already healed from this show once in trying to heal from it the second time.

I also think Kaitlyn will be more compassionate in the way she handles Nick.  Her relationship to him already seems more equal, like they are on the same level.  Last season he was always chasing.

Anyway, I am just glad he looks happy and I wish the best for both him and Kaitlyn and if the new spoiler is true Shawn too!
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Post by AllAboutLove Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:21 am

Regarding why Nick is F2 and not F1. Will be interesting in seeing whether K marries her F1. Because if not, imo, it actually says a lot more about Nick and the person he is: that he is the marrying kind.  He is intense and fully committed. 100% in. For some leads/women that is just too much pressure. Rather a F1 they can be engaged to and not follow through on than someone who is 100% in and ready to set a date. jmo
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Post by nutty1 Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:19 am

RS has always said he had things on Jef and would tell everyone, but never in all these years did he, even though countless people asked. So when he says he knows stuff about Nick, I take that with a grain of salt.


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Post by happygolucky Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:58 am

AllAboutLove wrote:Regarding why Nick is F2 and not F1. Will be interesting in seeing whether K marries her F1. Because if not, imo, it actually says a lot more about Nick and the person he is: that he is the marrying kind.  He is intense and fully committed. 100% in. For some leads/women that is just too much pressure. Rather a F1 they can be engaged to and not follow through on than someone who is 100% in and ready to set a date. jmo
Yes and no. I believe any guy who isn't chosen (Nick or sb else) shouldn't be defined by the woman and her decision. And the same goes if the genders are reversed. Women shouldn't be defined by their ex-partners. **edited** Neither will Kaitlyn's. At the end of this journey / this game, the lead most probably doesn't know much about her F2, IMHO, because the lead consciously or not puts more energy and focus into understanding and knowing her potential F1 and by the 3rd act of this story she is concentrated to conceptualize her future with F1, whether he will fit in her life. F2 life remains a mystery, an idea, a presumption, a perception ... more or less valid than ours.


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Post by remockered Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:15 am

I am perplexed by the whole "poor F1" response.  Hey, he got the girl.  It was his decision and apparently they are still engaged in coitus without interuptus, except through their own mistake ( snapchatgate).  OTOH, nobody seems to feel sorry for Nick, who apparently fell for Kaitlyn, may have felt that sex was an indicator of deep feelings (if any occured), and proposed.  Nick was on the series to get the girl, same as f1.  IMO, it is hard to discern anything from the snippets that tptb CHOOSE to show the audience.  Nick is not one dimensional , yet the edit would have you believe so; same with any of the other guys..  Nick decided to go on the show, so I really cannot get enraged over his edit or any of the others. However, it is perplexing to me that That other guy is receiving sympathy for Kait dating( which often includes sex) a guy she eventually dumps on National television.    I can't think of many scenarios more humiliating than having an intimate relationship, proposing to the one you love, and getting rejected publicly; being the other guy would be fantastic.
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Post by AllAboutLove Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:34 am

remockered wrote:I am perplexed by the whole "poor F1" response.  Hey, he got the girl.  It was his decision and apparently they are still engaged in coitus without interuptus, except through their own mistake ( snapchatgate).  OTOH, nobody seems to feel sorry for Nick, who apparently fell for Kaitlyn, may have felt that sex was an indicator of deep feelings (if any occured), and proposed.  Nick was on the series to get the girl, same as f1.  IMO, it is hard to discern anything from the snippets that tptb CHOOSE to show the audience.  Nick is not one dimensional , yet the edit would have you believe so; same with any of the other guys..  Nick decided to go on the show, so I really cannot get enraged over his edit or any of the others. However, it is perplexing to me that That other guy is receiving sympathy for Kait dating( which often includes sex) a guy she eventually dumps on National television.    I can't think of many scenarios more humiliating than having an intimate relationship, proposing to the one you love, and getting rejected publicly; being the other guy would be fantastic.
ITA! There's hardly no sympathy for his situation and yet, if this was Shawn as F2 and sexguy almost everyone would be feeling bad for him. That is bias showing big time, imo.

Not to mention, look at how good Nick is handling all this. Nothing but positivity and also support for the lead. The guy is practically a saint. I don't get how he gets such backlash, is accused of being a fame**** by those who are on BIP right now, and yet just carries on with his normal life and pokes fun at himself in the process.

The proof is in Nick's actions. One doesn't need to like him or be a fan to see that it is a fact Nick has never chased fame or walked red carpets or sought out being a worshiped villain, etc. He is the opposite of who people taint him as and it continues to boggle my mind how that is not obvious. I guess edit/media etc can paint someone as one thing and people will just believe it no matter what.
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Post by ElonM Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:44 am

remockered and AAL great posts.

The relationship starts after the AFTR so Shawn should just behave like a man that was aware he was dating a girl with 25 other guys. I get the feeling he's thinking Kaitlyn should have only focused on him after he told her he was falling in love.

Nick was true to himself and for that he will always be one of my favourite.  All the 15 minutes fame seekers are on BIP and the past and current contestants that are criticizing Nick are doing more self promotion. So who is the hypocrite?

I guess for some it takes a lot to see beyond the edit Nick got when he was on Andi season, this I think is unfortunate. I guess confident is the new cocky!


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Post by eliza3 Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:48 am

Here's why I think Nick is looking to extend his 15 minutes of fame. Admittedly they were conversing on SM. I am sure he knew that she was being considered and then when became the next Bachelorette. If he had these HUGE feelings for her and wanted to pursue it, why not just tell her that during one of their conversations. He could have flown to her, met her in private and discovered if there was something there. But no - he wanted to be back on TV and pursue her that way. MHO is that it would have been much more genuine, and I might have believed it more, if he had done it off TV.
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Post by Cecilia Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:13 pm

^ probably because being the Bachelorette is a big economic opportunity for someone and he didn't want to stand in her way.
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Post by DMBFan Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:23 pm

Just maybe he is taking it so well, because they are just friends (with benefits) and she asked him to come on the show as a back-up, in case she didn't fall for anyone. He would've been her default F1 if there wasn't a Shawn... no idea

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Post by ironcat Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:59 pm

DMBFan wrote:Just maybe he is taking it so well, because they are just friends (with benefits) and she asked him to come on the show as a back-up, in case she didn't fall for anyone.  He would've been her default F1 if there wasn't a Shawn... no idea

I don't know, but I would find it harder to understand her actions as far as sex with Nick if they were just putting on an act. If she had sex with Nick because she saw him as a possible husband it is one thing, but to do it, and perhaps twice, all the while knowing that the person she IS falling in love with can't possibly be in favor of that behavior and it's going to hurt him, is kind of hard to rationalize.

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