Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #4

Litta123 wrote:Plus, he's all out of bubble gum.
**snipped**
So his tweet about being out of bubble gum was him declaring himself free of TB. Hence his apparent happiness post filming. His "long national nightmare" was finally over. 

So for his sake, I hope Nick isn't tempted to go back...as much as I think he'd be a great lead.

ITA. Yeap. I hope that too. That's my first thought reading that tweet. He kicked a**, he saw the reality of the show, he experienced the adventure that by his own words wasn't much fun the 1st time (who knows how much "fun" was it really this time), so after a long post FRC week of binge watching the "break-up rules" movies, self-assuring positive and uplifting quotes, friends' support, he is back to his "beautiful reality" happy to be himself.

Litta123 wrote:Plus, he's all out of bubble gum. 

As romantic as it is to think that Nick came back for Kaitlyn, I'm still feeling that TPTB put him into their storyline well before filming. They demanded his return as part of his payback for the plane video. I have no proof, but here's my best guess. 

As I've said before, I think his time with Julie Berry was them telling him how it was all going to play out. Even his tweet about Salesforce being the best company to work for was probably him thanking them for their understanding/cooperation in letting him have the time to finish his "obligation." Probably one of the reasons he still had his phone/computer was to continue working remotely...part of the deal he worked out with TPTB.

So his tweet about being out of bubble gum was him declaring himself free of TB. Hence his apparent happiness post filming. His "long national nightmare" was finally over. 

Obviously, this is all my opinion, but it's the only way this season is making sense to me at the moment.

So for his sake, I hope Nick isn't tempted to go back...as much as I think he'd be a great lead.

Litta I totally agree with this post. I made the same comment about the bubble gum post that I thought it meant he was out of the obligations of TPTB after last season

Litta123 wrote:Plus, he's all out of bubble gum. 

As romantic as it is to think that Nick came back for Kaitlyn, I'm still feeling that TPTB put him into their storyline well before filming. They demanded his return as part of his payback for the plane video. I have no proof, but here's my best guess. 

As I've said before, I think his time with Julie Berry was them telling him how it was all going to play out. Even his tweet about Salesforce being the best company to work for was probably him thanking them for their understanding/cooperation in letting him have the time to finish his "obligation." Probably one of the reasons he still had his phone/computer was to continue working remotely...part of the deal he worked out with TPTB.

So his tweet about being out of bubble gum was him declaring himself free of TB. Hence his apparent happiness post filming. His "long national nightmare" was finally over. 

Obviously, this is all my opinion, but it's the only way this season is making sense to me at the moment.

So for his sake, I hope Nick isn't tempted to go back...as much as I think he'd be a great lead.

Love this post because it makes so much sense, why there were no one on one dates before Nick appeared. They wrote Nick on episode 4, when the first one on one date (with Jared) happened) Nick was intended to be the red herring all along cause they know Nick makes people talk. It's a free and the most effective marketing and promo for the show.

This makes me think what was staged and not staged. My gutfeel tells me the snapchat brouhaha was orchestrated. If you guys have snapchat, experiment on how unlikely it is to make that accident plus with Shawn on the bed, all dishevelled and probably fresh from 'nap'? I still think no human above the IQ of 12 can make that mistake. IMHO.

As with Nick being the Bachelor, if TPTB wants him to be the Bachelor they will move heaven and earth and perform all kinds of editing magic for him to be a palatable candidate. Josh is so blah I would choose Nick over him in a heartbeat besides its the women that makes the show interesting. But if I'm Nick I will be happy to find my true love away from the cameras or any semblance of influence from the bachelor producers.

Nick liked this post of Becca's on IG:

@beccatilley5 It's really the least you can do for yourself--and PS: you can do better! 7h

JMO, Nick knew who Kaitlyn was going into this, I doubt he is all that broken up. He was blindside IMO by what stone cold b**** Andi was. Kaitlyn isn't mean, she is fun and careless, big difference to me.

Now if Nick goes all revenge at AFTR, all the Nick those who are not fans can tell me how wrong I was and I will admit it, but I got to admit after seeing the true MeAndi and the true Farmer Douche their whole season's I think my radar is getting better. Of course pride goes before the fall so Nick may just make me eat my words, for now though I remain a 100% Nick Chick!

I'm glad you brought this up, Allaboutlove... I wondered if Becca some how posted this for Kaitlyn after the Shawn snapchat?! Everything just seems so weird!

It is definitely 50 Shades of Cray. Who knows what is going on. Will find out in the months ahead post-ATFR. Just because one is engaged and happily snapchatting doesn't mean forever amen with these shows. Will be interested to see how Nick's edit goes.

stuckinsc wrote:JMO, Nick knew who Kaitlyn was going into this, I doubt he is all that broken up. He was blindside IMO by what stone cold b**** Andi was. Kaitlyn isn't mean, she is fun and careless, big difference to me.

Now if Nick goes all revenge at AFTR, all the Nick those who are not fans can tell me how wrong I was and I will admit it, but I got to admit after seeing the true MeAndi and the true Farmer Douche their whole season's I think my radar is getting better. Of course pride goes before the fall so Nick may just make me eat my words, for now though I remain a 100% Nick Chick!

Exactly my thought!!
What I saw was a genuine man having his heart broken and torn into pieces at the ATFR by MeAndi, but the those who are not fans think Nick will do that again to kaitlyn just because he is mean spirited.

I think, it takes two to form a respectful conversation. And I dont think K can do any worse than MeAndi.

ETA: I just found out "those who are not fans" is an encrypted code

peggy0221 wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:JMO, Nick knew who Kaitlyn was going into this, I doubt he is all that broken up. He was blindside IMO by what stone cold b**** Andi was. Kaitlyn isn't mean, she is fun and careless, big difference to me.

Now if Nick goes all revenge at AFTR, all the Nick those who are not fans can tell me how wrong I was and I will admit it, but I got to admit after seeing the true MeAndi and the true Farmer Douche their whole season's I think my radar is getting better. Of course pride goes before the fall so Nick may just make me eat my words, for now though I remain a 100% Nick Chick!

Exactly my thought!!
What I saw was a genuine man having his heart broken and torn into pieces at the ATFR by MeAndi, but the those who are not fans think Nick will do that again to kaitlyn just because he is mean spirited.

I think, it takes two to form a respectful conversation. And I dont think K can do any worse than MeAndi.

ETA: I just found out "those who are not fans" is an encrypted code

Love me some Taylor Swift. "Shake It Off" has become my theme song as a Nick Chick!

Do we truly know what kind of person Kaitlyn is?
I didn't watch Chris season so don't know much about her. However, I think it's beyond stupidity of her to snapchat while Shawn is with her, and both are in bed. Maybe she truly is a free spirit and maybe she doesn't care, just "scr*w you". If she fully knew she's going to reject him and still let Nick propose, I will be upset. Maybe Ian's comment "you are shallow, just to be here to make out with a bunch of guys" is a foreshadow.

sdmom wrote:Do we truly know what kind of person Kaitlyn is?
I didn't watch Chris season so don't know much about her. However, I think it's beyond stupidity of her to snapchat while Shawn is with her, and both are in bed. Maybe she truly is a free spirit and maybe she doesn't care, just "scr*w you". If she fully knew she's going to reject him and still let Nick propose, I will be upset. Maybe Ian's comment "you are shallow, just to be here to make out with a bunch of guys" is a foreshadow.

I think to a large degree she is a free spirit who often acts in the moment and then might have second thoughts later, but those second thoughts are fleeting enough that they don't hold too much weight. She is who she is and like it or leave it. JMOAA. She did clean up her sm prior to Chris S's season going full force. Was it to soften who she really is? IDK.

From what my friends have told me it is easy to send an accidental SC. I don't think she did it to be mean, just like I don't think knew the cell phone video was being taken.

I still like Kaitlyn, just don't really think she and Nick would have been good together long term. I think she is the anti-Andi and that was appealing to him.

Personally, Shawn screams meathead douchebag to me, but that might change once I watch the show, but he seems much more like Kaitlyn's type from her SM before the bachelor. And if he is then I say good for Kaitlyn. Nick will be just fine.