Final Rose Ceremony - Screencaps - Discussion

pavalygurl wrote:

ninu wrote:

Trueloveforever wrote:

Bronwyn wrote:Like all here, I will be heartbroken for Ben tomorrow night, like I am with all F2 when they are let go. I feel really bad for both Ben and Ashley. Something tells me, that after allowing Ali to let Chris go early last year, which had never been done before, and isn't likely to be done again, that TPTB really pushed for the two proposals this time, just for the shock to the audience, if nothing else. They didn't care if it hurt Ben, and they didn't care how it would make Ashley look in some eyes. I'm not going to criticize either of these two for how this came to be, because I am all too aware, as we all are, of the mind games TPTB play on these people to get the result they want. And IMO, the two proposals is exactly what they wanted to happen.

If they put it in the preview, then most likely they were the ones who set it up. Hey, Fleiss has to get back the ratings he lost from the Bentley situation.

Hurting Ben and making their lead look like a heartless b*tch is going to make their ratings increase?? (We're most of us high on the cupcake-flavored koolaid, but... some of the viewing audience still isn't )

This is what puzzles me as well. It appears to JP fans that MF gave you a love story this season. To me then, why taint it by having Ashley take the heat for letting Ben propose. We here analyze things to the nth degree and I for one don't blame Ashley. I will wait to see how it all plays out tomorrow but it is a surprise. I blame TPTB who seem to value the shock value above all else. Sadly, I think Ash will take heat. Was it that Ali was such a favorite of MF that he let her off easier? What then does that say about how he feels about Ashley. I truly hope he has learned from the Bentley backlash but I doubt it. JMHO

Online I don't think she will be criticized as much because there seems to be a majority who have bought into the whole cupcake thing.

Who was Ashley's best good guy?

J.P. Rosenbaum 85.1%

Constantine Tzortzis 1.15%

Ben Flajnik 8.6%

Ames Brown 3.44%

Ryan Park 1.72%

ninu wrote:

pavalygurl wrote:

ninu wrote:

Trueloveforever wrote:

Bronwyn wrote:Like all here, I will be heartbroken for Ben tomorrow night, like I am with all F2 when they are let go. I feel really bad for both Ben and Ashley. Something tells me, that after allowing Ali to let Chris go early last year, which had never been done before, and isn't likely to be done again, that TPTB really pushed for the two proposals this time, just for the shock to the audience, if nothing else. They didn't care if it hurt Ben, and they didn't care how it would make Ashley look in some eyes. I'm not going to criticize either of these two for how this came to be, because I am all too aware, as we all are, of the mind games TPTB play on these people to get the result they want. And IMO, the two proposals is exactly what they wanted to happen.

If they put it in the preview, then most likely they were the ones who set it up. Hey, Fleiss has to get back the ratings he lost from the Bentley situation.

Hurting Ben and making their lead look like a heartless b*tch is going to make their ratings increase?? (We're most of us high on the cupcake-flavored koolaid, but... some of the viewing audience still isn't )

This is what puzzles me as well. It appears to JP fans that MF gave you a love story this season. To me then, why taint it by having Ashley take the heat for letting Ben propose. We here analyze things to the nth degree and I for one don't blame Ashley. I will wait to see how it all plays out tomorrow but it is a surprise. I blame TPTB who seem to value the shock value above all else. Sadly, I think Ash will take heat. Was it that Ali was such a favorite of MF that he let her off easier? What then does that say about how he feels about Ashley. I truly hope he has learned from the Bentley backlash but I doubt it. JMHO

He probably learned that drama = buzz = media coverage even if not ratings = $$$$

Bronwyn wrote:Not too many endings left that haven't been done before.

A wedding at the FRC, his ultimate goal.

The primary being rejected by their F1.
Can anyone think of any other endings we haven't seen yet?

They've recycled the two proposals now. At some point, they'll recycle the letting F2 go, when it best suits their needs.

Gina wrote:

Online I don't think she will be criticized as much because there seems to be a majority who have bought into the whole cupcake thing.

"bought the cupcake thing"... ,whatever. Guess millions of people like the "cupcake thing".
Hollywood LIfe poll and there are literally tons just like this on every site and JP dominates
with over 85-95% in ALL of them.

Who was Ashley's best good guy?

J.P. Rosenbaum 85.1%

Constantine Tzortzis 1.15%

Ben Flajnik 8.6%

Ames Brown 3.44%

Ryan Park 1.72%

allykat wrote:I have never, not once, ever picked the F1 on this show so I’m used to suffering through posts speculating that the relationship with the F2 was one-sided. This year I finally got to see the love story with the F1, but I feel for Ben fans. We have the benefit of watching her time with both JP and Ben and realizing the difference in the relationships, Ben didn’t have that clarity. I don’t blame him at all for thinking he was the one.

Since I’m already on this subject, I’ll also say that I think Ashely is partly to blame for him being blindsided. She lets the guys set the tone - JP is obviously an open communicator, whereas Ben is more of a go with the flow ‘you’ll figure it out’ kind of guy - and she responds to each in kind. On her FD with JP she brings up potential concerns and they talk about them together...competition, the other guys, holding back. On her FD with Ben she doesn’t really ask questions or deal with any obstacles, she just goes with the flow. I think that’s part of the reason Ben is blindsided - she never addressed any concerns (particularly with the process) so he didn't think they existed. Ben says something like they can gauge what each other is thinking...so they are assuming what the other one is thinking instead of talking about it like she does with JP. It’s just totally different. All of this is to say that Ashley could have taken more control over their relationship and handled it better. Instead of just going with the flow she could have helped to navigate their communication a little so that he wouldn’t be blindsided. JP was prepared for heartbreak because they talked about it, but that wasn’t the case with Ben. I'm not saying it's all her fault, but she certainly has a part in it.

mnmhughes wrote:I have been very careful not to assign blame on any party that they do not deserve. I remember what it's like to be heartbroken over my favorite not being chosen, and I have tried to be a gracious winner this time around. I just want to put that out there before I ask this question.

I am in NO way bashing Ben.

Much has been made about Ashley "allowing" Ben to propose -- again, we won't know until we actually see it. However, I have been reading on other boards today and people have been saying pretty harsh stuff about the fact that Ben takes off and is "bitter." I am NOT saying he doesn't have the right to be hurt and upset. What I AM wondering is if his response will help to soften the public outrage over Ashley allowing him to propose?

Obviously Deanna received a lot of backlash, but then Jason reacted quietly, graciously, sorrowfully, etc.

Any thoughts?

Bronwyn wrote:Like all here, I will be heartbroken for Ben tomorrow night, like I am with all F2 when they are let go. I feel really bad for both Ben and Ashley. Something tells me, that after allowing Ali to let Chris go early last year, which had never been done before, and isn't likely to be done again, that TPTB really pushed for the two proposals this time, just for the shock to the audience, if nothing else. They didn't care if it hurt Ben, and they didn't care how it would make Ashley look in some eyes. I'm not going to criticize either of these two for how this came to be, because I am all too aware, as we all are, of the mind games TPTB play on these people to get the result they want. And IMO, the two proposals is exactly what they wanted to happen.