Bachelor 19 - Whitney Bischoff #2

Cameron2 wrote:My apologizes go to Chris. Early in the show, I said he was a pretty lousy actor. When we look at his total piece of work, he has done very well. I am sure he has had a lot of fun smooching all the girls, but he was certainly convincing to most, that he was not true to Whitney. I believe that it will come out, that he was absolutely enthralled with Whitney very early on and had to act very convincingly that Britt and then Becca were serious contenders.

I think that Britt could sense he was simply using here and became afraid he would dump her. When she was gone, someone had to take her place and that was Becca. Both are really nice young ladies, just not at the right time of their lives to match up with Whitney.

So your belief is that he is toying with a virgin who's never said "I love you" just to cover up his real love story? He's willing to tell Becca he's falling in love with her "multiple times" just to be sure she and we are convinced? And next week Pappa Soules is willing to play along too?! I think Chris is a decent guy who has said over and over that he is sincere and genuine. What you've described is not someone who I'd find deserving of either girl.

I don't think he was acting but every single lead has to bring a girl to the final two no matter how much that person would never be final one. I don't think he was toying with her emotions I just think he realized Whitney is the real deal.

Diana wrote:I don't think he was acting but every single lead has to bring a girl to the final two no matter how much that person would never be final one. I don't think he was toying with her emotions I just think he realized Whitney is the real deal.

You don't have to say "I'm falling for you", if you are just bringing someone to the F2 as a formality. Lots of leads haven't. I think that, no matter who Chris picks, he did have feelings for both women and did start falling for both of them. Or, at least, he thought so in the "Bachelor bubble".I don't think that he would purposely lie about that just to make good TV. Some leads do take the lying too far (like JP telling Clare that they would have kids in a year), but let's hope Chris didn't.

chasingpavements wrote:

Diana wrote:I don't think he was acting but every single lead has to bring a girl to the final two no matter how much that person would never be final one. I don't think he was toying with her emotions I just think he realized Whitney is the real deal.

You don't have to say "I'm falling for you", if you are just bringing someone to the F2 as a formality. Lots of leads haven't. I think that, no matter who Chris picks, he did have feelings for both women and did start falling for both of them. Or, at least, he thought so in the "Bachelor bubble".I don't think that he would purposely lie about that just to make good TV. Some leads do take the lying too far (like JP telling Clare that they would have kids in a year), but let's hope Chris didn't.

I never said he didn't have any feelings for Becca. It's pretty obvious he does. I just don't buy she is F1 or would be the F1 if she wanted to be engaged.

and Chris said the same thing to both Kaitlyn and Becca last week. Not saying I agree with it but he did say it to Becca and Kaitlyn and then he sent Kaitlyn home.

How do you explain away what his dad said?

grace8136 wrote:How do you explain away what his dad said?

I am not going to try and explain that until I know it's what he meant to say. It would not be the first time something is completely different from what we see in the preview or what something someone said was cut to depict something and then when it actually airs it's not what was said at all. I am not buying it until then. Even so Chris clearly seems happy with his choice so if he chose Whitney it wasn't because Becca didn't want to get engaged.

I think that preview made people think Becca is F1 which is why I don't think she is.

If you look at the clip, it is edited. You don't see his face until after he says Becca, so I don't think that he actually said Becca is who Chris wants. Not sure what he said, but it was definitely spliced and diced.

Diana wrote:

chasingpavements wrote:

Diana wrote:I don't think he was acting but every single lead has to bring a girl to the final two no matter how much that person would never be final one. I don't think he was toying with her emotions I just think he realized Whitney is the real deal.

You don't have to say "I'm falling for you", if you are just bringing someone to the F2 as a formality. Lots of leads haven't. I think that, no matter who Chris picks, he did have feelings for both women and did start falling for both of them. Or, at least, he thought so in the "Bachelor bubble".I don't think that he would purposely lie about that just to make good TV. Some leads do take the lying too far (like JP telling Clare that they would have kids in a year), but let's hope Chris didn't.

I never said he didn't have any feelings for Becca. It's pretty obvious he does. I just don't buy she is F1 or would be the F1 if she wanted to be engaged.

and Chris said the same thing to both Kaitlyn and Becca last week. Not saying I agree with it but he did say it to Becca and Kaitlyn and then he sent Kaitlyn home.

Oh, yeah, I'm not saying that you said it. Cameron implied it when he said that Chris had to act convincingly with Becca and that she simply took Britt's place, when Britt realized she was being used. I think multiple parts of that are false, and I think it's giving Chris's acting skills way too much credit. I do think that he was initially very attracted to Britt, she was a serious contender, and he wasn't just using her, or he wouldn't have taken Britt to the concert when Whitney was there. He wouldn't have kissed her in bed, when all the girls could and did see. I don't think that Britt ever thought she was being used; I think she absolutely thought she was going to win or be F2, with Kaitlyn winning. And, I don't think that he was ever in love with all three final women, but I think he THOUGHT that he was falling for all of them. I'm sure that he made his decision weeks ago, but that doesn't mean that the feelings for others weren't there.

grace8136 wrote:How do you explain away what his dad said?

As much as I want to believe that, I'm sure it's just an editing trick or a script the producers gave him. Just like they had a preview with Emily's mother saying "If you think you're in love with two people, that means you're not in love with any of them. I think you should hold off on an any type of engagement", followed with Emily saying "I feel like I'm betraying both of them". That ended up meaning nothing.

lurker11 wrote:I haven't Just more to write about/look for if you're trying to prove the spoiled F2 is the F1.

I've also learned it's a losing battle to try and convince people about body language and such when people have their minds made up

Personally, I was on the fence for a long time. Up and until epi 6 actually when Whit was on the date where Britt got the time at the concert. Was kissing Chris right in front of Whit and also Whit got in on the drama and nasty looks. That is when I started realizing that something wasn't adding up with the spoilers. Personally, I started looking at the SM clues and they were adding up to Becca as being F1. I still didn't actually have my mind completely made up till the HTD and the editing that was beginning to happen. I realized that Whit didn't have a story anymore....there were NO obstacles, Whit was petering out in the storylines and their relationship was stalling. Becca's though had continued. With Becca, there was a constant momemtum forward....with Whit, nothing new was happening, nothing was progressing. Those are some of the reasons why I feel that Becca is the F1. I also tend to feel that there is more doubt onto Becca as being the F1 with Chris's family and edit, therefore, that is usually a F1 stance too. The F2 usually is edited with no doubts going into the MTP....Whit seems to be getting that edit this time.

The one thing I do know is that I have/do like both of the F2. Hope I am explaining myself and not coming across badly here

Aunties_Love wrote:

lurker11 wrote:I haven't Just more to write about/look for if you're trying to prove the spoiled F2 is the F1.

I've also learned it's a losing battle to try and convince people about body language and such when people have their minds made up

Personally, I was on the fence for a long time.  Up and until epi 6 actually when Whit was on the date where Britt got the time at the concert.  Was kissing Chris right in front of Whit and also Whit got in on the drama and nasty looks.  That is when I started realizing that something wasn't adding up with the spoilers.  Personally, I started looking at the SM clues and they were adding up to Becca as being F1.  I still didn't actually have my mind completely made up till the HTD and the editing that was beginning to happen.  I realized that Whit didn't have a story anymore....there were NO obstacles, Whit was petering out in the storylines and their relationship was stalling.  Becca's though had continued.  With Becca, there was a constant momemtum forward....with Whit, nothing new was happening, nothing was progressing.  Those are some of the reasons why I feel that Becca is the F1.  I also tend to feel that there is more doubt onto Becca as being the F1 with Chris's family and edit, therefore, that is usually a F1 stance too.  The F2 usually is edited with no doubts going into the MTP....Whit seems to be getting that edit this time.

The one thing I do know is that I have/do like both of the F2.  Hope I am explaining myself and not coming across badly here  

Yeah, that's the one thing that I keep thinking about, but I feel like that's been changing recently. I remember Chris (in Des's season), Nikki, and Jef being very confident in the last two weeks.

Kristinkko wrote:If you look at the clip, it is edited. You don't see his face until after he says Becca, so I don't think that he actually said Becca is who Chris wants. Not sure what he said, but it was definitely spliced and diced.

You said that way better than I did.

umngirl wrote:Does anyone remember which RC or cocktail party it was at that Chris uses the word wife and then it pans to Whitney or it's said over a shot of Whitney? I know it happened at least once.

I know I saw it over Becca many times but not Whitney. If I missed it, I apologize.