Re: Andi Dorfman & Josh Murray - Fan Forum - General Discussion Thread #3

[bleuberry]

Speaking of blondes, I noticed it was coming up in interviews more and even last week during the Access Hollywood one. Wish I could screencap Josh's attempt to not look annoyed .

[AllAboutLove]

I think trust definitely could have be an issue. I always thought it was odd how she constantly razzed him about blondes, I realize it may have been teasing and in fun, but to me if you bring that stuff up all the time, it shows an underlying insecurity or problem.

There was definitely something going on there regarding the blonde insecurities in retrospect. It was a "little" strange that there were no nye pics of them with fans but PLENTY with Josh and blonde girls. Dollars to donuts, his next gf is a blonde because I definitely believe that sometimes our worst fears almost become premonitions and Josh getting with a blonde was top on Andi's imo.

I do think that Josh prefers blondes. He follows a blonde model on his Twitter and from examples mentioned above, I wouldn't be surprised if he dates one in the future. Some people have a type but can still fall in love with someone that doesn't fit their physical 'type' but if he was still showing interest in blondes while with Andi it could definitely feed an insecurity. Hope they both find happiness and love.

[Laura Walsh]

Just a little aside. My husband and I were talking last night about why I got so involved with this couple and I told him because this couple was the real deal. He said, Laura, it's just a TV show. I told him that I agreed on many of the other seasons, at least the ones I watched, but somehow this one was different. I consider myself a good judge of character and I believed then and I believe that both Josh and Andi are sincere.

The discussion about the blonde thing. I believe that Andi is only teasing about that. In an earlier interview she was asked about the blonde comment and she said it's only teasing. I think because that was one of the questions on the lie detector test. She said that she also went for the blonde, blue eyed guy so now neither of them were getting blonde, blue eyes. So maybe it was just teasing that Josh doesn't want to hear anymore.

I just have to comment on the recent pictures from the LATravel Magazine. Wow. It is like Josh is Andi's other half and Andi is Josh's other half. They could easily do commercials that required a couple. The pictures are indescribable and beyond stunning.

I have not said anything on this forum about my opinion for awhile because I really think that it is not my business. Even a part of me feels it was wrong of me to comment on their lives. I can't imagine knowing that people are talking about you either good or bad day after day after day.

The trust issue I think was at least put aside regarding Andi because she knew deep down that Josh was a faithful guy and he loved her. And I think Andi needed that daily reminder of his love. What girl doesn't want to know all the time that they are loved by their significant other. As you are together longer that love is shown in less affectionate ways but one knows the other loves them. But a couple months ago when Josh hardly ever posted pictures of Andi anymore and even when he did he spoke very casually of her and he stopped including her in his tweets he may have also stopped that affection for her literally as well. (IF this is the case only Josh would know what his reason for that was.) Remember Josh saying he promised to tell her he loved her every day. When that stopped, if it did, then Andi may have started wondering again and her old fears of all athletes crept up in her mind. This may have been how her other relationships started to end in the past. Even though I never thought of Josh as just an athlete and I think Andi realized that after a time also she might be thinking I knew he was just the same as the others. To me it's the little things that are special. Maybe a little note tucked in her purse. Telling her he loves her or a tweet saying he loves her or just coming up for no reason and giving her a hug while she's making dinner or something. Sending a bunch of flowers for no reason. Josh did this one time and Andi was thrilled about that. These things mean so much to us women and not every man knows that or does it. I say this because soon after Josh stopped posting pictures and referring to her as his love or his fiancée I noticed that Andi stopped as well. That really meant that that really hurt her. Maybe she kept that to herself instead of discussing it with him.

And please this is only a thought and I have no idea whatsoever that Josh did do these little romantic things or not. It's just my thought on what may have started the ball rolling down the hill.

I also think that Josh who has admitted being very picky in who he wants to settle down with had a list of things he wanted in a women and Andi filled every single one of that criteria. She is athletic. She is intelligent. She is beautiful. She is funny. He has said many times how much fun they have together and how witty she is. She is strong (although sometimes a little rigid strong). She is also feisty and independent (and again, maybe a little bit more feisty and independent than he thought. I also think Josh is absolutely everything she wanted in a man.

I believe that they were good for each other because Josh had softened Andi up and I think he was helping her to accept criticism. I could tell just with the pictures that the Dorfmans loved Josh. (I'm sure they are hurting over this as well.)

So call me crazy but I still hold on to a sliver of hope that after a time one or the other will reach out and they will both be willing and wanting to sit down and do some serious talking about what went wrong and if either can compromise on any of these wrongs.

I hope they don't keep focused on the fact that this was a very public breakup. Everyone knows that a story is in the news for about a week but eventually is forgotten. Most of all I want happiness for them both and hope they find it in their relationship. If not, then ultimately I just want them both happy.

So again, here is my, it's got to be at least a quarter's worth.

Laura

[AllAboutLove]

Hi guys! Never posted here before but just saw this and thought I'd bring it over

From Chris Harrison's Bachelor blog:
Unfortunately I start this week's blog with the surprising and sad news that Andi and Josh have broken up. I have been asked by many of you if we already knew before I interviewed them on the red carpet premiere show, where they talked about their wedding plans, and the answer is no. I understand that some of you may feel deceived, but I do not. Having gone through a very public personal breakup myself, I understand keeping up appearances until both parties are ready to make an announcement. In my case, I had kids and family to consider, so there were times when I, too, had to do interviews and make appearances while I knew full well what was going to come out just days later. My responsibility was to my family, not to the world, and I understand that Andi and Josh are approaching things the same way. So I say to Andi and Josh that I'm very sorry and I completely understand why they did what they did. I'm also sorry for the timing of all this, and that they had to feel the need to go through the paces like they did. I know that must have been painful and awkward for them. I don't know the details of why they broke up; Andi and Josh will decide if they ever want to share the reasons, and that's completely up to them. I know the two of them loved each other very much and they shared a beautiful relationship, and again, I wish both of them happiness.
https://tv.yahoo.com/blogs/tv-news/chris-harrison--bachelor--blog-episode-2-030958011.html

bachfan300! Thanks for posting the blog. Hope it all works out for them.

[sara11]

Maybe the ex who cheated on her cheated with a blonde, hence the reason she keeps mentioning it?

[Alanna]

[snip]

The trust issue I think was at least put aside regarding Andi because she knew deep down that Josh was a faithful guy and he loved her.  And I think Andi needed that daily reminder of his love.  What girl doesn't want to know all the time that they are loved by their significant other.  As you are together longer that love is shown in less affectionate ways but one knows the other loves them.  But a couple months ago when Josh hardly ever posted pictures of Andi anymore and even when he did he spoke very casually of her and he stopped including her in his tweets he may have also stopped that affection for her literally as well. (IF this is the case only Josh would know what his reason for that was.) Remember Josh saying he promised to tell her he loved her every day.  When that stopped, if it did, then Andi may have started wondering again and her old fears of all athletes crept up in her mind.  This may have been how her other relationships started to end in the past.  Even though I never thought of Josh as just an athlete and I think Andi realized that after a time also she might be thinking I knew he was just the same as the others.  To me it's the little things that are special.  Maybe a little note tucked in her purse.  Telling her he loves her or a tweet saying he loves her or just coming up for no reason and giving her a hug while she's making dinner or something.  Sending a bunch of flowers for no reason.  Josh did this one time and Andi was thrilled about that.  These things mean so much to us women and not every man knows that or does it.  I say this because soon after Josh stopped posting pictures and referring to her as his love or his fiancée I noticed that Andi stopped as well.  That really meant that that really hurt her.  Maybe she kept that to herself instead of discussing it with him.

And please this is only a thought and I have no idea whatsoever that Josh did do these little romantic things or not.  It's just my thought on what may have started the ball rolling down the hill.

[snip]
Laura

I snipped your post for brevity but I wanted to say ITA with much of it and especially, especially the parts I bolded.

I think the only way Andi would be "manageable" for Josh is if he continued doting on her like he did on the show and promised he would when they got engaged. His sm shows he didn't for whatever reason, and assuming he casually ignored her in real life just like on sm, I'm guessing she became a huge b!tch in retaliation with all her insecurities flaring up. At that point, there was probably no way for them to get back on track because why would he want to be affectionate to a raging psycho, which probably made her even more insecure and angry with him.

[Elle]

Just a little aside.  My husband and I were talking last night about why I got so involved with this couple and I told him because this couple was the real deal.  He said, Laura, it's just a TV show.  I told him that I agreed on many of the other seasons, at least the ones I watched, but somehow this one was different.  I consider myself a good judge of character and I believed then and I believe that both Josh and Andi are sincere.

The discussion about the blonde thing.  I believe that Andi is only teasing about that.  In an earlier interview she was asked about the blonde comment and she said it's only teasing.  I think because that was one of the questions on the lie detector test.  She said that she also went for the blonde, blue eyed guy so now neither of them were getting blonde, blue eyes.  So maybe it was just teasing that Josh doesn't want to hear anymore.

I just have to comment on the recent pictures from the LATravel Magazine.  Wow.  It is like Josh is Andi's other half and Andi is Josh's other half.  They could easily do commercials that required a couple.  The pictures are indescribable and beyond stunning.

I have not said anything on this forum about my opinion for awhile because I really think that it is not my business.  Even a part of me feels it was wrong of me to comment on their lives.  I can't imagine knowing that people are talking about you either good or bad day after day after day.

The trust issue I think was at least put aside regarding Andi because she knew deep down that Josh was a faithful guy and he loved her.  And I think Andi needed that daily reminder of his love.  What girl doesn't want to know all the time that they are loved by their significant other.  As you are together longer that love is shown in less affectionate ways but one knows the other loves them.  But a couple months ago when Josh hardly ever posted pictures of Andi anymore and even when he did he spoke very casually of her and he stopped including her in his tweets he may have also stopped that affection for her literally as well. (IF this is the case only Josh would know what his reason for that was.) Remember Josh saying he promised to tell her he loved her every day.  When that stopped, if it did, then Andi may have started wondering again and her old fears of all athletes crept up in her mind.  This may have been how her other relationships started to end in the past.  Even though I never thought of Josh as just an athlete and I think Andi realized that after a time also she might be thinking I knew he was just the same as the others.  To me it's the little things that are special.  Maybe a little note tucked in her purse.  Telling her he loves her or a tweet saying he loves her or just coming up for no reason and giving her a hug while she's making dinner or something.  Sending a bunch of flowers for no reason.  Josh did this one time and Andi was thrilled about that.  These things mean so much to us women and not every man knows that or does it.  I say this because soon after Josh stopped posting pictures and referring to her as his love or his fiancée I noticed that Andi stopped as well.  That really meant that that really hurt her.  Maybe she kept that to herself instead of discussing it with him.

And please this is only a thought and I have no idea whatsoever that Josh did do these little romantic things or not.  It's just my thought on what may have started the ball rolling down the hill.

I also think that Josh who has admitted being very picky in who he wants to settle down with had a list of things he wanted in a women and Andi filled every single one of that criteria.  She is athletic.  She is intelligent.  She is beautiful.  She is funny.  He has said many times how much fun they have together and how witty she is.  She is strong (although sometimes a little rigid strong).  She is also feisty and independent (and again, maybe a little bit more feisty and independent than he thought.  I also think Josh is absolutely everything she wanted in a man.

I believe that they were good for each other because Josh had softened Andi up and I think he was helping her to accept criticism.  I could tell just with the pictures that the Dorfmans loved Josh.  (I'm sure they are hurting over this as well.)

So call me crazy but I still hold on to a sliver of hope that after a time one or the other will reach out and they will both be willing and wanting to sit down and do some serious talking about what went wrong and if either can compromise on any of these wrongs.  

I hope they don't keep focused on the fact that this was a very public breakup.  Everyone knows that a story is in the news for about a week but eventually is forgotten.  Most of all I want happiness for them both and hope they find it in their relationship.  If not, then ultimately I just want them both happy.

So again, here is my, it's got to be at least a quarter's worth.

Laura

Laura, That was so beautifully said so and heartfelt, it made me cry. I too hold on to that sliver of hope...

[AnandaMarie]

Just a little aside.  My husband and I were talking last night about why I got so involved with this couple and I told him because this couple was the real deal.  He said, Laura, it's just a TV show.  I told him that I agreed on many of the other seasons, at least the ones I watched, but somehow this one was different.  I consider myself a good judge of character and I believed then and I believe that both Josh and Andi are sincere.

The discussion about the blonde thing.  I believe that Andi is only teasing about that.  In an earlier interview she was asked about the blonde comment and she said it's only teasing.  I think because that was one of the questions on the lie detector test.  She said that she also went for the blonde, blue eyed guy so now neither of them were getting blonde, blue eyes.  So maybe it was just teasing that Josh doesn't want to hear anymore.

I just have to comment on the recent pictures from the LATravel Magazine.  Wow.  It is like Josh is Andi's other half and Andi is Josh's other half.  They could easily do commercials that required a couple.  The pictures are indescribable and beyond stunning.

I have not said anything on this forum about my opinion for awhile because I really think that it is not my business.  Even a part of me feels it was wrong of me to comment on their lives.  I can't imagine knowing that people are talking about you either good or bad day after day after day.

The trust issue I think was at least put aside regarding Andi because she knew deep down that Josh was a faithful guy and he loved her.  And I think Andi needed that daily reminder of his love.  What girl doesn't want to know all the time that they are loved by their significant other.  As you are together longer that love is shown in less affectionate ways but one knows the other loves them.  But a couple months ago when Josh hardly ever posted pictures of Andi anymore and even when he did he spoke very casually of her and he stopped including her in his tweets he may have also stopped that affection for her literally as well. (IF this is the case only Josh would know what his reason for that was.) Remember Josh saying he promised to tell her he loved her every day.  When that stopped, if it did, then Andi may have started wondering again and her old fears of all athletes crept up in her mind.  This may have been how her other relationships started to end in the past.  Even though I never thought of Josh as just an athlete and I think Andi realized that after a time also she might be thinking I knew he was just the same as the others.  To me it's the little things that are special.  Maybe a little note tucked in her purse.  Telling her he loves her or a tweet saying he loves her or just coming up for no reason and giving her a hug while she's making dinner or something.  Sending a bunch of flowers for no reason.  Josh did this one time and Andi was thrilled about that.  These things mean so much to us women and not every man knows that or does it.  I say this because soon after Josh stopped posting pictures and referring to her as his love or his fiancée I noticed that Andi stopped as well.  That really meant that that really hurt her.  Maybe she kept that to herself instead of discussing it with him.

And please this is only a thought and I have no idea whatsoever that Josh did do these little romantic things or not.  It's just my thought on what may have started the ball rolling down the hill.

I also think that Josh who has admitted being very picky in who he wants to settle down with had a list of things he wanted in a women and Andi filled every single one of that criteria.  She is athletic.  She is intelligent.  She is beautiful.  She is funny.  He has said many times how much fun they have together and how witty she is.  She is strong (although sometimes a little rigid strong).  She is also feisty and independent (and again, maybe a little bit more feisty and independent than he thought.  I also think Josh is absolutely everything she wanted in a man.

I believe that they were good for each other because Josh had softened Andi up and I think he was helping her to accept criticism.  I could tell just with the pictures that the Dorfmans loved Josh.  (I'm sure they are hurting over this as well.)

So call me crazy but I still hold on to a sliver of hope that after a time one or the other will reach out and they will both be willing and wanting to sit down and do some serious talking about what went wrong and if either can compromise on any of these wrongs.  

I hope they don't keep focused on the fact that this was a very public breakup.  Everyone knows that a story is in the news for about a week but eventually is forgotten.  Most of all I want happiness for them both and hope they find it in their relationship.  If not, then ultimately I just want them both happy.

So again, here is my, it's got to be at least a quarter's worth.

Laura

Laura, I agree with every single word that you have to say and I don't think I could have said it better. I especially agree with the bolded parts. I do believe that they were truly in love and I think that love is more powerful than any mistake that was made. However, I completely agree when you say that they have to sit down and talk about what went wrong and find a way to compromise. Maybe they both did things that hurt the other- they probably didn't talk about how much it hurt and those hurtful things continued. That's why I think that they need to talk about their feelings, what went wrong and I hope that they can compromise and make things work because their love was special, once in a lifetime, great love and I hope they never give up on it.

[AnandaMarie]

Laura and Elle, I agree 100% with every word that you both have said in your posts both last night and today. I hold on to that hope too and its nice to feel that their are other people like you (and Eden) who still feel that way and hope for the best. I don't think that any of the issues and problems that they had are worth the relationship and love that they had. I can only hope that some time apart will make them realize how special and once in a lifetime their love was and that its worth fighting for. Maybe that time will make them realize how much they love and miss each other and will hopefully make them more open to compromise.

[aviej]

Hey, don't forget me too! I'm holding out hope too! But in all seriousness, maybe they were hurt and had issues, but they were so busy traveling with all the events, the stress and tiredness from traveling plus the added stress on the relationship, they probably didn't have sufficient "down time" to discuss things. They were too busy hopping a plane every minute. I think that out of all of us here on the forum, that Laura and Jolena would "know" the couple the best. She saw it with her own eyes for an extended period of time and in her wisdom, experience etc. she felt that it was love. I trust that what Laura and Jolena and the rest of us saw on the TV screen was and still is true. And I too hope that they put aside their egos and that they reach out to each other - when the time is right - when they are clear on what their priorities are, that they would sit down and trash things out, find compromise and do so all without the influence of meddling friends and family. Yes they both have their individual families with their parents and siblings, but Josh, Andi and Sabel were a family in every respect. They were not just happy, they had joy. Let's hope that they find back that GREAT love which is often coveted but seldom attained.

[soccermom333]

Happy Chris H. came out with the statement he did. I honestly don't think he knew and he certainly understood Josh and Andi having to do what was best for them and at the time that was most appropriate for them. I, like Chris, will always believe and know they loved each other very much and gave it their best shot.

Laura, you are so thoughtful. Josh and Andi were/are lucky to have you as a fan.

Still hoping Andi surfaces soon, as I wish nothing but peace for these two.

[nannymargie]

OMG, let the craziness begin. On MM facebook someone made a statement under one of her post that said, "my daughter never thought Andi was good enough for him and would like to meet him, she works at Piedmont Hospital." There is a picture with it.

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