Re: Andi Dorfman & Josh Murray - Fan Forum - General Discussion Thread #3

[AnandaMarie]

Hey, don't forget me too! I'm holding out hope too! But in all seriousness, maybe they were hurt and had issues, but they were so busy traveling with all the events, the stress and tiredness from traveling plus the added stress on the relationship, they probably didn't have sufficient "down time" to discuss things. They were too busy hopping a plane every minute. I think that out of all of us here on the forum, that Laura and Jolena would "know" the couple the best. She saw it with her own eyes for an extended period of time and in her wisdom, experience etc. she felt that it was love. I trust that what Laura and Jolena and the rest of us saw on the TV screen was and still is true. And I too hope that they put aside their egos and that they reach out to each other - when the time is right - when they are clear on what their priorities are, that they would sit down and trash things out, find compromise and do so all without the influence of meddling friends and family. Yes they both have their individual families with their parents and siblings, but Josh, Andi and Sabel were a family in every respect. They were not just happy, they had joy. Let's hope that they find back that GREAT love which is often coveted but seldom attained.

Yes aviej, we can't forget you too. This post just made me cry because you make me happy and hopeful. I agree with what you said about the traveling. I know that travelling was not the only cause of the break-up. I think it was different priorities, business opportunities and travelling. I agree when you say that there were issues and that because of the travelling, they did not have the time to communicate and discuss the things that hurt them. And I agree and only hope that they put their egos aside and talk about things - talk about what went wrong and hope that they can fix it. They were a family, with love and joy and i hope that they can get back together and enjoy the great love that they found in each other.

Aviej it's so nice to have you too and all your optimism

[soccermom333]

OMG, let the craziness begin.  On MM facebook someone made a statement under one of her post that said, "my daughter never thought Andi was good enough for him and would like to meet him, she works at Piedmont Hospital."  There is a picture with it.

Haha! Get ready! The fun and craziness begins!! I am waiting for the announcement of BIP. You know they already asked Josh. Knowing how sadistic TPTB are, they already asked Andi too.

[nannymargie]

OMG, let the craziness begin.  On MM facebook someone made a statement under one of her post that said, "my daughter never thought Andi was good enough for him and would like to meet him, she works at Piedmont Hospital."  There is a picture with it.

Haha!  Get ready!  The fun and craziness begins!!   I am waiting for the announcement of BIP.  You know they already asked Josh.  Knowing how sadistic TPTB are, they already asked Andi too.  

I hope Josh keeps it classy and stay away from that show. If he does it he is not the guy I thought he was.

[soccermom333]

OMG, let the craziness begin.  On MM facebook someone made a statement under one of her post that said, "my daughter never thought Andi was good enough for him and would like to meet him, she works at Piedmont Hospital."  There is a picture with it.

Haha!  Get ready!  The fun and craziness begins!!   I am waiting for the announcement of BIP.  You know they already asked Josh.  Knowing how sadistic TPTB are, they already asked Andi too.  

I hope Josh keeps it classy and stay away from that show.  If he does it he is not the guy I thought he was.

Not saying he is going to do it, but you know they asked already and will continue to ask up until they start filming! LOL TPTB do not care about feelings and you know they asked Andi too. Just saying!

[Guest]

Just wanted to add my thoughts concerning the breakup. 

One thing that always bothered me was in interviews Andi kept teasing about the blonde thing... it was funny the first time and I think she thought it continued to be funny but it got to the point where in like the access hollywood interview they did on the red carpet enoughs enough already with it.   I truly think andi has trust issues and likes to be in control. Josh is a friendly guy, he's going to talk to people take pictures, answer advocare emails from ladies Of all sorts (I personally think Andi hated his advocare venture) and that was hard to deal with. Remember the incident on Stephanie's bday where there were tons of pictures and fans said andi was done by the end of the night (not that I blame her).

They are very alike personality wise.. When momma Murray said "Josh has finally met his match" I think she was right. Too much so.

I thought Andi needed someone like Josh. But I don't know any more...  let's face it she said on their fantasy date that she can be tough to deal with. And I think that's the case. She needs someone a little less alpha, she likes that role herself too much. And I don't think Josh is perfect either. I think he doesn't have much relationship experience and put a lot of focus into advocare.

Which leads me to my next point, think that not having a normal daily routine can be tough on a relationship. The couples that work on this show are the ones that go back to their normal life's. Jp went back to construction, Chris had his bank job, Ryan went back to being a firefighter. Andi and Josh are still both tryin to find themselves personally and professionally. I think they need to work on themselves first before either can be in a successful long term relationship. 

I loved them together. It pains me because I've never seen such a connection on this show before. I was positive of their love. And I don't think their love should ever be in question, it was there and it was real. I'm grateful to have been able to watch. It was fun, romantic and a breath of fresh air on my television. Their social media was cute and showed the love even post show. But sometimes life gets in the way. Compatabilty and long term goals outweigh everything else. Sometimes love isn't enough. 

I wish them nothing but the best. I adore both of them and am hopeful for their happiness.

[aviej]

Agreed, well put. I do think that not going back to the daily routine was an issue. I remember in the Mesnick's podcast that they had advised Andi and Josh to do just that - that's the only way. The more you do the mundane normal stuff, the less SM is in your business and the more you get to focus on what is really important.

[AnandaMarie]

Agreed, well put. I do think that not going back to the daily routine was an issue. I remember in the Mesnick's podcast that they had advised Andi and Josh to do just that - that's the only way. The more you do the mundane normal stuff, the less SM is in your business and the more you get to focus on what is really important.

Yes, I listen to the podcast to and I think Molly and Jason are right about going back to normal, everyday life. Andi and Josh didn't do that. However, I hope that they can try again and fix those mistakes.

[Maggenzm]

Agreed, well put. I do think that not going back to the daily routine was an issue. I remember in the Mesnick's podcast that they had advised Andi and Josh to do just that - that's the only way. The more you do the mundane normal stuff, the less SM is in your business and the more you get to focus on what is really important.

Yes, I listen to the podcast to and I think Molly and Jason are right about going back to normal, everyday life. Andi and Josh didn't do that. However, I hope that they can try again and fix those mistakes.

I don't think that 's the problem. Sean and Cat did so many activities, much more than what Josh and Andi have done yet, they are now married. So, no, I disagree.

[Guest]

Bringing over from the general discussion thread...
Coach Brian speaks, they all knew on Sunday

http://abc27.com/2015/01/13/former-bachelorette-star-dishes-on-new-season/

Makes those Andi ring flashes seem that much worse now

[Elle]

Agreed, well put. I do think that not going back to the daily routine was an issue. I remember in the Mesnick's podcast that they had advised Andi and Josh to do just that - that's the only way. The more you do the mundane normal stuff, the less SM is in your business and the more you get to focus on what is really important.

Yes, I listen to the podcast to and I think Molly and Jason are right about going back to normal, everyday life. Andi and Josh didn't do that. However, I hope that they can try again and fix those mistakes.

I don't think that 's the problem. Sean and Cat did so many activities, much more than what Josh and Andi have done yet, they are now married. So, no, I disagree.

I agree that not returning to normalcy after the show probably played a big role in the breakup. But whatever the cause, it is my hope that once they have some time to reflect, they will realize how much better and fulfilling their lives were, together as a couple, than apart. I do still believe that what they had was true love.

[AnandaMarie]

Yes, I listen to the podcast to and I think Molly and Jason are right about going back to normal, everyday life. Andi and Josh didn't do that. However, I hope that they can try again and fix those mistakes.

I don't think that 's the problem. Sean and Cat did so many activities, much more than what Josh and Andi have done yet, they are now married. So, no, I disagree.

I agree that not returning to normalcy after the show probably played a big role in the breakup. But whatever the cause, it is my hope that once they have some time to reflect, they will realize how much better and fulfilling their lives were, together as a couple, than apart.  I do still believe that what they had was true love.  

Elle, i agree with you. I think that they found true love, great love and i hope that time apart can make them realize how much they loved each other and can make them realize that love like that is worth doing anything to save.
And whoever said that it didn't affect Sean and Catherine, I don't think that you should compare them with Sean and Catherine because they are different people from Sean and Catherine and the opportunities, travelling etc, would have affected each person differently. And I don't think that opportunities and travelling were the only things that caused the breakup. I think those contributed to it, but i think that other things also played a part in the breakup - like Andi's priorities changing and her wanting kids later rather than now. I don't think that she should make Josh wait like 3 or 4 years and I also don't think that he should make her have kids now. I hope they realize how special and once in a lifetime their love was and I hope they find a way to compromise. They may have also said and done things that have hurt each other and I hope that they can talk about those things and try to understand each other and fix their relationship.

[aviej]

I do think that they should spend time just in private reflection. I have no evidence to doubt that Andi isn't already doing that because she's off SM completely and no one has apparently spotted her. Josh on the other hand, I wonder how much private reflection he got for the past week. He seems to be pretty busy - granted he had the Advocare committment, but otherwise it seems he's always been surrounded by people and hasn't had a moment for introspection. I'm not depreciating the value of having the loving support of friends and family, but I do hope he gets time to think and reflect. Going along your normal duties might be good only so long as it doesn't come at the expense of ignoring your feelings. This might be a morbid comparison, but a break up is pretty much like a death in the family. The day after your loved one dies you don't just go back to business as usual, you take time out to reflect. I just pray that he's doing that - sooner than later because if he's not allowed to let out his anger, frustration, hurt, loneliness etc soon it's gonna be much worse when it all comes out, IMO.

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