Re: Episode 11 - 8/1 Finale - Discussion - Thread #1

by Alanna Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:43 pm

sjcaligurl wrote:Reading the recap for the finale, it seems that Ben put himself in his own bubble and basically thought he had it because he didn't allow himself to think about the other guys or worry the way JP did. So, he kinda owns that. Good for him. I thought that was Jeremy's fatal flaw as far as being blind sided by his elimination. I also think that Ames did the same thing. It seems to have worked for Roberto but then they only showed Frank obsessing about Ali so we don't know if Roberto had anxious moments or not. I don't think you have to make yourself sick but I don't think it's normal not to size up the others and try to stay aware of what's going on.

BTW, one of my twitter pals dm'd me and said that Nick said that JP had a bad temper and he was nothing like we see on TV. Do you think that is a personal beef or a global opinion? We've only heard nice things so far from most folks - except for when Lucas ragged about him.

I think he has a little bit of a temper when a bunch of men are all over his fiancee. Otherwise, I'm sure he's fine. giggling

by Guest Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:45 pm

I know the meatheads annoyed Reid alot and he said it was like being back at summer camp living with them. He was pissed at quite of few of them as they egged him on and made fun of him. They are jealous bastards in my opinion, same as this group who are talking trash about JP. Funny, most of the ones who talked bad about Reid, turned out to be the biggest douchebags from the show. Wonder if this will turn out the same for the ones trashing JP. I would not be surprised, Nick is already hanging out with Natalie and the BBD frat-boys. no no

by cupcakes Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:48 pm

sjcaligurl wrote:
BTW, one of my twitter pals dm'd me and said that Nick said that JP had a bad temper and he was nothing like we see on TV. Do you think that is a personal beef or a global opinion? We've only heard nice things so far from most folks - except for when Lucas ragged about him.

Will the real Nick please stand up. giggling

Who do you think Ashley will end up with?
Nick: That is a good question. I think based on what I saw when I left, I really saw JP pulling ahead. If he doesn't win, I think he will get really far. JP was a great guy. A great guy.

by sjcaligurl Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:56 pm

cupcakes wrote:
sjcaligurl wrote:
BTW, one of my twitter pals dm'd me and said that Nick said that JP had a bad temper and he was nothing like we see on TV. Do you think that is a personal beef or a global opinion? We've only heard nice things so far from most folks - except for when Lucas ragged about him.

Will the real Nick please stand up.

Who do you think Ashley will end up with?
Nick: That is a good question. I think based on what I saw when I left, I really saw JP pulling ahead. If he doesn't win, I think he will get really far. JP was a great guy. A great guy.

I'm trying to find out where the info came from and when he supposedly said it. JP, as far as we know, didn't start 'acting out' until after his Hong Kong date and Nick was gone by then. Maybe Lucas told him something or he's listening to the guys in the beatdown. LOL!

by northernviewer Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:56 pm

Nativenewyorker wrote:
northernviewer wrote:
CarrieAlexander wrote:I didn't know you can post as a guest? You learn something new everyday

ETA rich I was about to post that too!

I think the poster, raven I believe must have cancelled their membership to the board. I think people have to realize that the concept of this show is that people are going to get hurt.. no ifs ands or buts about it. It happens every year, and the lead becomes the scum of the earth for hurting a poor unsuspecting contestant. Sorry but thats the nature of the beast. We can all sit here and say "well I'd never" ... but do you think Ashley went on there saying "well I would"?? JP nailed it when he said on his HTD that at the end somebody was going to be hurt... and this year it was Ben. The Bach/ette has to lead somebody on and I'm sure it's more uncomfortable for them to actually do than it is for us to watch. And do I think that when Ashley was getting dressed that morning that she planned out how she was going to let Ben get down on his knee to propose, just to humiliate him? of course not.... it just happened and I'm sure nobody regrets those few minutes more than she does. I know "I hope I'd never" but until I'm in those high heels, I won't really know, I'll give her a pass as there's nothing about her that suggests that she's the heartless witch that she was made out to be in a certain post upthread.

You know that I love your posts!

This one is a keeper! We have been watching this show long enough to know what will happen in the end. JP said it so well - at the end, someone's heart will be broken. He was willing for it to possibly be him and so he put his heart out there. So did Ben. They are both great guys and Ashley was fortunate to have them as her final two. I will never understand why some feel it is the end of the world or life and death. We already know that both JP and Ben have moved on with their lives. No one died, no one had a breakdown and had to disappear and crawl into a cave and hide! It is painful, there's no denying it. But the ones who have been rejected have managed to be very resilient and are able to go on with their lives and find their true love.

Thank you for putting it all in perspective and saying it so very well!

thank you NNY handwave

by DMBFan Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:56 pm

I think its jealousy and maybe feeling like she wasted their time. I'd be more interested in what Ames or Mickey have to say about JP.

by Beeleever Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:01 am

Gina wrote:I know the meatheads annoyed Reid alot and he said it was like being back at summer camp living with them. He was pissed at quite of few of them as they egged him on and made fun of him. They are jealous bastards in my opinion, same as this group who are not talking trash about JP, like the others talked trash about Reid.

Absolutely! They have no clue what a real man is, despite their "man code". I've been thinking about the sudden flip from supporting JP to trashing him...We know Britt was hanging with Ben and she is definitely hanging with BBD crowd. I'm thinking they got the "heads up" on what Ben did at the FRC and it pi$$ed the guys off. It seems that when people switch loyalties, they have to trash the one in order to justify their decision for doing a 180 in support of the other.

by tigertiz Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:01 am

I know the meatheads annoyed Reid alot and he said it was like being back at summer camp living with them. He was pissed at quite of few of them as they egged him on and made fun of him. They are jealous bastards in my opinion, same as this group who are talking trash about JP.

And now they have even more to be jealous about since he's been dating a former Miss USA. Sweet. Sometimes there is a little justice in the world.

by chaslom4 Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:01 am

DMBFan wrote:I think its jealousy and maybe feeling like she wasted their time. I'd be more interested in what Ames or Mickey have to say about JP.

Didn't Mickey say JP was his roomate? I think he had only good things to say about JP. I also think Nick is falling in with this pack and is starting act just like them.

by Samantharose Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:01 am

Alanna wrote:
sjcaligurl wrote:Reading the recap for the finale, it seems that Ben put himself in his own bubble and basically thought he had it because he didn't allow himself to think about the other guys or worry the way JP did. So, he kinda owns that. Good for him. I thought that was Jeremy's fatal flaw as far as being blind sided by his elimination. I also think that Ames did the same thing. It seems to have worked for Roberto but then they only showed Frank obsessing about Ali so we don't know if Roberto had anxious moments or not. I don't think you have to make yourself sick but I don't think it's normal not to size up the others and try to stay aware of what's going on.

BTW, one of my twitter pals dm'd me and said that Nick said that JP had a bad temper and he was nothing like we see on TV. Do you think that is a personal beef or a global opinion? We've only heard nice things so far from most folks - except for when Lucas ragged about him.

I think he has a little bit of a temper when a bunch of men are all over his fiancee. Otherwise, I'm sure he's fine.

Plus this show really messes with their minds. JP said its a mind ****!

by Beeleever Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:02 am

Samantharose wrote:
Alanna wrote:
sjcaligurl wrote:Reading the recap for the finale, it seems that Ben put himself in his own bubble and basically thought he had it because he didn't allow himself to think about the other guys or worry the way JP did. So, he kinda owns that. Good for him. I thought that was Jeremy's fatal flaw as far as being blind sided by his elimination. I also think that Ames did the same thing. It seems to have worked for Roberto but then they only showed Frank obsessing about Ali so we don't know if Roberto had anxious moments or not. I don't think you have to make yourself sick but I don't think it's normal not to size up the others and try to stay aware of what's going on.

BTW, one of my twitter pals dm'd me and said that Nick said that JP had a bad temper and he was nothing like we see on TV. Do you think that is a personal beef or a global opinion? We've only heard nice things so far from most folks - except for when Lucas ragged about him.

I think he has a little bit of a temper when a bunch of men are all over his fiancee. Otherwise, I'm sure he's fine.

Plus this show really messes with their minds. JP said its a mind ****!

So did Reid! :yes:

by northernviewer Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:04 am

sjcaligurl wrote:Reading the recap for the finale, it seems that Ben put himself in his own bubble and basically thought he had it because he didn't allow himself to think about the other guys or worry the way JP did. So, he kinda owns that. Good for him. I thought that was Jeremy's fatal flaw as far as being blind sided by his elimination. I also think that Ames did the same thing. It seems to have worked for Roberto but then they only showed Frank obsessing about Ali so we don't know if Roberto had anxious moments or not. I don't think you have to make yourself sick but I don't think it's normal not to size up the others and try to stay aware of what's going on.

BTW, one of my twitter pals dm'd me and said that Nick said that JP had a bad temper and he was nothing like we see on TV. Do you think that is a personal beef or a global opinion? We've only heard nice things so far from most folks - except for when Lucas ragged about him.

First of all, Nick seems to have hooked up with Natalie.... strike one against his credibility giggling

My opinion, JP was one of the few that took this seriously, and I think there were some fratlike "boys" there that probably didn't and could have bugged him quite abit, kinda like we saw Ben and Blake doing in that one scene. One thing I'd say about JP, as a 34 yr old man, he's not going to want to "play" like some of the others would.

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