Re: Andi Dorfman & Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 - General Discussion #2

by aviej Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:57 am

Precisely, let's remember as well that Josh is one of two men who stood up to Andi while on the show. Didn't you think that Josh knew beforehand that if he expressed his frustration about the lie detector test that there was a strong possibility that he might go home? Josh still expressed his frustration to Andi knowing what was at stake. That shows true character IMO. He's not afraid to stand up to her and tell her like it is, knowing that the end result could be devastating for him. And I think Andi respects that. Also, in the early episodes when Josh told her not to stereotype him. Andi in the ITM said that Josh called her out on stereotyping and in the same breath she said that she had a lot of chemistry with him that night. So to me, Andi respects someone who can stand up and challenge her. I guess, the difference between Eric and Josh was the way it was done and the words that were used. Not to forget as well, that the episode with Eric she was physically and mentally exhausted so the end result was not as positive.

by stuckinsc Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:49 am

Laudergirl wrote:
stuckinsc wrote:I think everyone can have long relationships with the right person. We all need that.

I tend to be a caregiver and will actually mother everyone around me too much. My husband evens me out because he helps me reign that in and truly he doesn't need me, he just loves me. It is pretty awesome.

So I think Andi can find someone. And it maybe that Josh is it. I just hoped she might become more like her and not him more like her. Just my opinion.

I also work in a field where for years as a woman you had to be a b**** to be taken seriously, basically be like a man. So I don't like when woman are b**** and use the strong excuse. To me it is an insult to really strong women. Like single mothers who actually have to support their children all on their own. Or wives of military husbands who have to take care of everything. Women who give their all and care for others and not have to act like b****es to do it. To me that is strength.

Using "strength" as an excuse to be a b**** has never set well with me. That in my opinion is what Andi does.

I'm truly curious to get some feedback as to why Andi is described by some as a b**** in this discussion. What did she do exactly? She may seem a bit intimidating in her demeanor at times, but to me that is because she is confident, independent, knows what she wants, and is willing to speak up for herself and her beliefs. I also see a loyal, compassionate and nurturing side to her. I could give examples as to specific things she did or said this season that make me feel that way, but it would take far too long to type them. Obviously she is not everyone's cup of tea and that's fine, but she definitely seems to be Josh's. And for the most part, I feel the two of them have shown a lot of positivity, gratitude towards their fans, and a genuine desire to help others since the show ended. I don't know whose personality is rubbing off on who more, but they seem like a pretty good match to me, and from what I've read by people who've met and interacted with them, they are genuine down to earth people.

Oh, and btw, I definitely agree with the above statement that there is a difference between being a strong woman and being a b****, but I was referring to Andi as a strong minded woman in my post above. That is different to me than a mentally or emotionally strong woman, which is what I think of when reading your description above. I haven't seen enough of Andi to have an opinion of her in that regard.

But Andi is not strong. She is an insecure woman who uses her "strength" to cover when she is uncomfortable. To me real strength is when you can face opposition or hard times and actually have grace and not have to blame the other or break down all the time. We did not see this with Andi. When it wasn't Andi's way she got mean and nasty or cried until she got her way.

Sorry, Andi's attitude is not strength to me it is bratty to b****. My opinion, I am allowed it. I saw strength from both Sharleen and Renee. Nope not Andi.

Also doing charity events where you can dress up and get your picture taken is lovely. Now go out and actually do something where it isn't about you looking pretty and furthering your couple brand and I might be impressed. I lived in ATL, there are alots of places to help, especially since she isn't working. But she only does big events, so nope, that doesn't seem genuine to me either.

Funny, the Murrays were pretty darn good until Andi. Now that she is part of them something is weird. The Murrays did not choose this and personally I am sick of reading negative things about them. But then again, while they aren't perfect, I see good out of them, Andi nope not yet.

This is all my opinion and so I won't apologize for it.

by stuckinsc Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:51 am

aviej wrote:Precisely, let's remember as well that Josh is one of two men who stood up to Andi while on the show. Didn't you think that Josh knew beforehand that if he expressed his frustration about the lie detector test that there was a strong possibility that he might go home? Josh still expressed his frustration to Andi knowing what was at stake. That shows true character IMO. He's not afraid to stand up to her and tell her like it is, knowing that the end result could be devastating for him. And I think Andi respects that. Also, in the early episodes when Josh told her not to stereotype him. Andi in the ITM said that Josh called her out on stereotyping and in the same breath she said that she had a lot of chemistry with him that night. So to me, Andi respects someone who can stand up and challenge her. I guess, the difference between Eric and Josh was the way it was done and the words that were used. Not to forget as well, that the episode with Eric she was physically and mentally exhausted so the end result was not as positive.

I agree, Andi will try to compromise with Josh. Like I said, I hoped Andi would become more like Josh who I used to like. Instead I see Josh becoming more like Andi. My opinion.

If and when I see something different, I will be happy to be wrong. I used to be a Josh fan and I don't think anyone is all right or wrong, so if I see Andi changing I will be happy to say so and to be wrong.

by Guest Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:58 am

Alanna wrote:Personally, I don't care if Andi's a witch, a b!tch or a wardrobe. Her friends, family and Josh all seem to want to keep her as she came from the factory, so rock on.

Hilarious!!!!! cantstopl

by Ash2214 Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:16 pm

Oh my word! Can you believe it?! Andi, Josh, and Kacie all now follow each other on SM!! cantstopl

:shocked!: laugh out loud

by Alanna Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:21 pm

Ash2214 wrote:Oh my word! Can you believe it?! Andi, Josh, and Kacie all now follow each other on SM!! :shocked!:

Oh em geeeeeeeee. Not only that but Josh is following Aaron too. And Aaron is now following Andi also. Did mommy or daddy send them all a very stern group text?? I can only hope. Or maybe they want to spy on each other better laugh out loud

by **GuardianAngel** Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:24 pm

Wonderful news, as I posted in the other thread, I'm glad we helped them end the speculation! Hugesmile

by Alanna Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:26 pm

GuardianAngel wrote:Wonderful news, as I posted in the other thread, I'm glad we helped them end the speculation!

Haha yep! I think mm might have gone postal any day now if the children didn't shape up laugh out loud

I wonder if they're all going to hang out soon.

by Guest Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:28 pm

Now what are we gonna speculate about? scratch

by Ash2214 Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:28 pm

Hey, maybe we were right and Josh did secretly visit the Murray's this weekend and they talked it all out? laugh out loud

by Alanna Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:29 pm

Ash2214 wrote:Hey, maybe we were right and Josh did secretly visit the Murray's this weekend and they talked it all out?

I don't think A/K were there but I wouldn't be surprised if mm and Josh saw each other. He did conveniently disappear so who knows where he was all that time.

by **GuardianAngel** Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:30 pm

Alanna wrote:
GuardianAngel wrote:Wonderful news, as I posted in the other thread, I'm glad we helped them end the speculation!
Haha yep! I think mm might have gone postal any day now if the children didn't shape up I wonder if they're all going to hang out soon.

It doesn't matter how old boys are, they are afraid of their Moms. LOL I hope she was responsible for it, letting them know who will always be the boss! Yay MM!

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