The Bachelor Australia - Season 2 - Blake Garvey - ATFR - *Spoilers* - Media & Social Media Discussion #2

new radio spot
http://www.nova969.com.au/shows/fitzy-wippa/sam-frost-responds-to-blake-garvey-interview

lisa_m_hyde @ags1818 please mind your own business it's very clear you have no idea. Sam and I have not made a cent from media stories and trust me we don't need five minute of fame, You seem very bitter and upset about the bachelor maybe move on and stop getting involved. Thanks
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GA while I respect your thoughts -- those of us that have given him the benefit of doubt over and over and over have seen him switch emotions on and off like he's on some kind of drug. The level of intensity he's able to get his face to react to is beyond me...and I don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth AT ALL too much contradiction already!

GuardianAngel wrote:Why go through all this if he really didn't fall in love with Louise? IDK, the way he looks at her in that clip, looks like he is really happy with her.

The whole situation was handled poorly especially when they knew he changed his mind. They should have had an ATFR sit down, for the viewers with Sam explaining, his side of the story, apologizing to Sam, and announce what his new decision was.

GA I think most folks are ok for him to be with Louise now. It's just IMO the approach they took and the fact that based on the clip they showed of the project tomorrow, Lisa is going to drop a bombshell that Blake reached out to her as well for a relationship. So the thing is why not tell the truth, why say it was Louise all along. We all understand that this show is an emotional drain on people but better to speak the truth IMO than having some PR firm go into spinning mode for you and keep digging himself deeper with the public. Just really not understanding how this season ended up like this.

mercieme wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:Why go through all this if he really didn't fall in love with Louise? IDK, the way he looks at her in that clip, looks like he is really happy with her.

The whole situation was handled poorly especially when they knew he changed his mind. They should have had an ATFR sit down, for the viewers with Sam explaining, his side of the story, apologizing to Sam, and announce what his new decision was.

GA I think most folks are ok for him to be with Louise now. It's just IMO the approach they took and the fact that based on the clip they showed of the project tomorrow, Lisa is going to drop a bombshell that Blake reached out to her as well for a relationship. So the thing is why not tell the truth, why say it was Louise all along. We all understand that this show is an emotional drain on people but better to speak the truth IMO than having some PR firm go into spinning mode for you and keep digging himself deeper with the public. Just really not understanding how this season ended up like this.

Exactly, I totally agree. By not handling this properly from the beginning it has just spiralled into a mess. I tried to keep up in this thread while the sleuthing was going on. There were many posts with Sam as the F1, however some weren't so sure.

I'm wondering if we can learn anything from this season, as far as sleuthing. I'd like to know if anyone thought it might be Louise as the F1.

sharkie wrote:new radio spot
http://www.nova969.com.au/shows/fitzy-wippa/sam-frost-responds-to-blake-garvey-interview

there we have it blake post show AGAIN saying ON AIR he did not contact louise after the show on the radio. again more proof that he's suuuuuch a liar  -- I don't believe anything coming out of his mouth.

Well he finally found someone to move to Perth. I really think that played a big part in all his decisions. I don't think he ever really considered moving and Sam was never going to leave her sister and move to Perth. I remember when she was talking to his mom and aunt, they asked and she said they never really discussed the topic. Louise agreed to move so now she is his great true love...

emusha wrote:

lisa_m_hyde @ags1818 please mind your own business it's very clear you have no idea. Sam and I have not made a cent from media stories and trust me we don't need five minute of fame, You seem very bitter and upset about the bachelor maybe move on and stop getting involved. Thanks  
Read more at http://websta.me/n/lisa_m_hyde#rS2LFjY3wVVhpCDb.99

GA] while I respect your thoughts -- those of us that have given him the benefit of doubt over and over and over have seen him switch emotions on and off like he's on some kind of drug. The level of intensity he's able to get his face to react to is beyond me...and I don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth AT ALL too much contradiction already!

emusha !!!    I missed you but figured you couldn't give the Blake fiasco one more post worthy of your analysis.


Regarding the bold:

For those that may not like what some of us (I) have posted recently... If you look back, we all did our very, very, best to give him the benefit of the doubt. We scoured and scoured and sleuthed and sleuthed just to give another side to the Blake-stripper-kissing-all-the-women story. Many came here to this forum thread for just that reason: that we were all doing our best to sleuth and give evidence to him being genuine and not just falling to 'rumours'.

Speaking for myself, I don't want to be coerced into supporting something that we spent a ton of time already giving the benefit of the doubt for, and then post-show realised that when Blake was unfiltered, that nothing he said matched up. It still doesn't. This has nothing to do with our personal feelings towards another person. Each one of us that spent days going through SC, SM, sleuthing, we did it all to prove his genuineness. To me, that is giving the person the benefit of the doubt.

But, I don't want to throw out the very same logic and reasoning I used to try prove he was genuine just because this very same reasoning and logic is indicating that things are not as they seem. That is not fair to those of us who spent hours on this thread finding evidence to support post-show Blake. I use my heart but I also use my head. This is ultimately, for me, what this forum is for. Being a fan or non-fan is one thing, using as much sleuthing as possible to provide a coherent arc is another. So far, we have heard many, many versions from Blake. From Sam, her story hasn't changed. I am going with as much evidence that we have sleuthed for weeks on here. That is my head. My heart may not like it, but I don't want to be ignorant on purpose.

jmho

GuardianAngel wrote:

mercieme wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:Why go through all this if he really didn't fall in love with Louise? IDK, the way he looks at her in that clip, looks like he is really happy with her.

The whole situation was handled poorly especially when they knew he changed his mind. They should have had an ATFR sit down, for the viewers with Sam explaining, his side of the story, apologizing to Sam, and announce what his new decision was.

GA I think most folks are ok for him to be with Louise now. It's just IMO the approach they took and the fact that based on the clip they showed of the project tomorrow, Lisa is going to drop a bombshell that Blake reached out to her as well for a relationship. So the thing is why not tell the truth, why say it was Louise all along. We all understand that this show is an emotional drain on people but better to speak the truth IMO than having some PR firm go into spinning mode for you and keep digging himself deeper with the public. Just really not understanding how this season ended up like this.

Exactly, I totally agree. By not handling this properly from the beginning it has just spiralled into a mess. I tried to keep up in this thread while the sleuthing was going on. There were many posts with Sam as the F1, however some weren't so sure.

I'm wondering if we can learn anything from this season, as far as sleuthing. I'd like to know if anyone thought it might be Louise as the F1.

GA in terms of sleuthing this season is shot -- mainly cos blake's behavior is erratic at best. there's no way of actually knowing what happened because it's impossible to believe blake and his emotions during the show. sam is right in the sense of louise believing everything he says and that being the thing that'll be most dangerous for louise esp after what has transpired. if we're to believe lisa and there's no reason really for her to make stuff up (particularly with the low profile she's been keeping post show and not getting involved in the drama) blake went down the list asking her then louise if they'll get back together with him... :atomic:

emusha wrote:

sharkie wrote:new radio spot
http://www.nova969.com.au/shows/fitzy-wippa/sam-frost-responds-to-blake-garvey-interview

there we have it blake post show AGAIN saying ON AIR he did not contact louise after the show on the radio. again more proof that he's suuuuuch a liar  -- I don't believe anything coming out of his mouth.

Actually these guys (Fitzy and Wippa) were the ones that forced Blake to answer the question of whether or not he is with Louise, including Kyle and Jackie O....I wish Blake would go back on those shows now and give them the reason why he is singing a different tune now or as I like to call it, selective amnesia!!!!

AllAboutLove wrote:

emusha wrote:

lisa_m_hyde @ags1818 please mind your own business it's very clear you have no idea. Sam and I have not made a cent from media stories and trust me we don't need five minute of fame, You seem very bitter and upset about the bachelor maybe move on and stop getting involved. Thanks  
Read more at http://websta.me/n/lisa_m_hyde#rS2LFjY3wVVhpCDb.99

GA while I respect your thoughts -- those of us that have given him the benefit of doubt over and over and over have seen him switch emotions on and off like he's on some kind of drug. The level of intensity he's able to get his face to react to is beyond me...and I don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth AT ALL too much contradiction already!

emusha !!!    I missed you but figured you couldn't give the Blake fiasco one more post worthy of your analysis.

For those that may not like what some of us have posted recently... If you look back, we all did our very, very, best to give him the benefit of the doubt. We scoured and scoured and sleuthed and sleuthed just to give another side to the Blake-stripper-kissing-all-the-women story. Many came here to this forum thread for just that reason: that we were all doing our best to sleuth and give evidence to him being genuine and not just falling to 'rumours'.
Speaking for myself, I don't want to be coerced into supporting something that we spent a ton of time already giving the benefit of the doubt for, and then post-show realised that when Blake was unfiltered, that nothing he said matched up. It still doesn't. This has nothing to do with our personal feelings towards another person. Each one of us that spent days going through SC, SM, sleuthing, we did it all to prove his genuineness. To me, that is giving the person the benefit of the doubt.

But, imho, I don't want to throw out the very same logic and reasoning I used to try prove he was genuine just because this very same reasoning and logic is indicating that things are not as they seem. That is not fair to those of us who spent hours on this thread finding evidence to support post-show Blake. I use my heart but I also use my head. This is ultimately, for me, what this forum is for. Being a fan or non-fan is one thing, using as much sleuthing as possible to provide a coherent arc is another. So far, we have heard many, many versions from Blake. From Sam, her story hasn't changed. I am going with as much evidence that we have sleuthed for weeks on here. That is my head. My heart may not like it, but I don't want to be ignorant on purpose.

jmho

missed yall too and that was exactly how i was feeling. I agree with what you posted here -- we looked objectively at the facts pre-show and post-show and the sleuting. We kept an open mind every time things shifted and what the current post-show sleuthing is indicating at least IMO is that the level of lying that happened with blake at the helm is getting to ridiculous levels (we haven't seen evidence of contradictions when it comes to what the women said/say as AllForLove described which indicates that the producers allow for openness and honesty to some extent)

Yes this is a show, yes this is a production and PR agents and producers etc. etc. are involved....yes this was handled poorly....all of that is true but blake FLAT OUT lied about his background doing stripping, about who and how he was in contact with them post-filming during airing, how much time he spent with sam post show etc. these are items sensitive when it comes to the show yes but the way blake has responded, diverts and avoids and covers up things where he leaves the girls confused, hurt and angry indicate that this is not only a show thing for him but it's also something outside of the show.

And it's in THIS sleuthing where we've been able to truly unravel the mystery of what blake's behavior says. and what it says IMO is that he's disingenuous.

sharkie wrote:Well he finally found someone to move to Perth.   I really think that played a big part in all his decisions.   I don't think he ever really considered moving and Sam was never going to leave her sister and move to Perth.    I remember  when she was talking to his mom and aunt, they asked and she said they never really discussed the topic.   Louise agreed to move so now she is his great true love...

if that was the case he misled all the girls and the media - he said he sold his car to get ready to move. He said after alana left he knew he'd have to consider moving and he was down. he told lisa he knows her family is big for her so *he'll* make the move. if he wanted this on his terms there's NO reason at ALL for him to say otherwise. Chris S is very open about his farm business and what that requires of a woman.

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