Couples Therapy - Season 5 - Premier Sept 10 2014 - General Discussion

“The MAGIC of television EDITING or anything that CAN be edited, they have the POWER to make you BELIEVE whatever they WANT…” Juan tweeted October 9.

smartcat wrote:MHO all the well written posts, and they really are well written, all add up to Ariela's final line in the post above.
WTF is wrong with her. Who would be humiliated, frustrated, unappreciated, unloved because they are just "liked" and hang around.That girls self image is at zero minus.
OK Nikki get your bloodied $50 grand pit on your track shoes and run!

murasaki1393 wrote:http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/juan-pablo-galavis-makes-nikki-ferrell-cry-on-couples-therapy-video-20141010

before this article i was undecided as to whether i would watch this show. But now, not anymore,... it seems so devastating :shocked!:

chinita wrote:Geez so much negativity in this thread... No good!  Nikki is not a child.  She's mature enough to know what's good for her and what's not.  And if she doesn't know, she would seek help (couple therapy) We have no right to tell her what to do, especially in relationship matters.  She's in love with JPG so let her be!

chinita wrote:Geez so much negativity in this thread... No good!  Nikki is not a child.  She's mature enough to know what's good for her and what's not.  And if she doesn't know, she would seek help (couple therapy) We have no right to tell her what to do, especially in relationship matters.  She's in love with JPG so let her be!

Ariela wrote:

grace8136 wrote:I don't hate any of these contestants. Hate is way too strong of word for someone I only know from tv. I don't like JPG. He's definitely not my cup of tea. Some of the things that he's said are hard to watch and quite sad and that's being acknowledged in the fan thread as well. If he moves away from his daughter my opinion of him will be much lower, but still not hate. I don't care enough about him to work up that sort of emotion. I'm actually surprised I'm watching the show, but it's sort of fascinating at times. I'm curious to find out about what's going on with Jenna. I may even check out a previous season.  

I never cared that JPG didn't propose or say I love you. He should move at a pace right for him. I'm just not impressed by him because of the way he's handled multiple things. At ATFR, his focus was on sticking it to TPTB. He was angry that day, probably about Dancing with The Stars and Nikki seemed all but forgotten. I was upset for her. Her body language was screaming for him to help her. He wanted to make the point that the show's expectations are silly, but he missed the mark and instead looked like a db for not being responsive to Nikki. That should have been a fairly easy point to make because a lot of people agree with him on that. The whole premise of dating or sleeping with someone last week and getting engaged to another the next week is pretty crazy. If you go that route fine, but if you don't it's understandable. I wish he had made that point and honored Nikki. He had awhile to think about it. He responded to her "I love you" with an "I like you a lot" on national television. So.. common sense should tell him to do what he can to build her up and make her feel better about everything on ATFR, but he doesn't get stuff like that.

That public humiliation seems to be driving a lot of the issues for Nikki, yet he piles more on. In general, he's made some thoughtless, hurtful comments and as mindless said, dances around the subject. I thought/wish she was stronger. I cringe watching her beg for love. This is a little off topic, but there's a girl my son knows that started a youtube channel in middle school. It became really popular and she ended up graduating early, went to UT, not sure if she's still there or what, but anyhow my daughter watches her videos sometimes. The other day she was watching one while I was cooking dinner and I actually thought.. hey, Nikki could use this 19 year old's advice! Here's the link if anyone's interested.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wQrNG4XrrA If you have a teenage girl, she may be interested in some of the other topics. It's generally pretty solid advice for girls.

The human lie detector lady made a good point last night. She said JP may feel like he's giving 100% and Nikki can still feel like she's only receiving 70%. That may sum it up. I'm sure the show will end on a high note. He'll probably say I love you, but they are just 2 very different people. I don't believe in the whole opposites attract notion. They don't get each other and more than anything, we want to be understood.

I'm not so sure that JPG started this whole thing because he was trying to stick it to TPTB. To me, it looked as though he used TPTB as an excuse for not proposing. Just like now he's using his culture for not saying ILY.

I think he is pretty sly and manipulative. He had TPTB, the viewers and Nikki convinced that he didn't propose to her because he had an agenda against TPTB blah, blah, blah....Because WHICH woman, in her right mind, would continue seeing him if he told her sorry it just didn't happen for me? He had to manipulate Nikki into thinking that it's the 2 of them against TPTB! Nikki is a good little chirping gf right by his side fighting off anyone and everyone who gets in their way....what a joke!

IMO, he knew that TPTB wanted a proposal, and he couldn't give them one because JPG did NOT fall in love. Nothing wrong with that. He could have just been honest and told everyone that IT didn't happen, and that would have been the end of JPG.

But wanting to be in the spotlight he decided to play games with whomever wanted to know about JPG/Nikki. This allowed him to stay in the spotlight. People are following their progress or lack of one; JPG's manipulation is working.

The lie detector person was right, JPG is  saying one thing, and sticking his tongue out at the same time. Fools are those who believe what he's saying.
What I found really disturbing is when he said to Nikki: "You know I wish I could make it better, every day....It's sooo hard"....I'm like WTF? What is wrong with her?

grace8136 wrote:

Ariela wrote:

grace8136 wrote:I don't hate any of these contestants. Hate is way too strong of word for someone I only know from tv. I don't like JPG. He's definitely not my cup of tea. Some of the things that he's said are hard to watch and quite sad and that's being acknowledged in the fan thread as well. If he moves away from his daughter my opinion of him will be much lower, but still not hate. I don't care enough about him to work up that sort of emotion. I'm actually surprised I'm watching the show, but it's sort of fascinating at times. I'm curious to find out about what's going on with Jenna. I may even check out a previous season.  

I never cared that JPG didn't propose or say I love you. He should move at a pace right for him. I'm just not impressed by him because of the way he's handled multiple things. At ATFR, his focus was on sticking it to TPTB. He was angry that day, probably about Dancing with The Stars and Nikki seemed all but forgotten. I was upset for her. Her body language was screaming for him to help her. He wanted to make the point that the show's expectations are silly, but he missed the mark and instead looked like a db for not being responsive to Nikki. That should have been a fairly easy point to make because a lot of people agree with him on that. The whole premise of dating or sleeping with someone last week and getting engaged to another the next week is pretty crazy. If you go that route fine, but if you don't it's understandable. I wish he had made that point and honored Nikki. He had awhile to think about it. He responded to her "I love you" with an "I like you a lot" on national television. So.. common sense should tell him to do what he can to build her up and make her feel better about everything on ATFR, but he doesn't get stuff like that.

That public humiliation seems to be driving a lot of the issues for Nikki, yet he piles more on. In general, he's made some thoughtless, hurtful comments and as mindless said, dances around the subject. I thought/wish she was stronger. I cringe watching her beg for love. This is a little off topic, but there's a girl my son knows that started a youtube channel in middle school. It became really popular and she ended up graduating early, went to UT, not sure if she's still there or what, but anyhow my daughter watches her videos sometimes. The other day she was watching one while I was cooking dinner and I actually thought.. hey, Nikki could use this 19 year old's advice! Here's the link if anyone's interested.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wQrNG4XrrA If you have a teenage girl, she may be interested in some of the other topics. It's generally pretty solid advice for girls.

The human lie detector lady made a good point last night. She said JP may feel like he's giving 100% and Nikki can still feel like she's only receiving 70%. That may sum it up. I'm sure the show will end on a high note. He'll probably say I love you, but they are just 2 very different people. I don't believe in the whole opposites attract notion. They don't get each other and more than anything, we want to be understood.

I'm not so sure that JPG started this whole thing because he was trying to stick it to TPTB. To me, it looked as though he used TPTB as an excuse for not proposing. Just like now he's using his culture for not saying ILY.

I think he is pretty sly and manipulative. He had TPTB, the viewers and Nikki convinced that he didn't propose to her because he had an agenda against TPTB blah, blah, blah....Because WHICH woman, in her right mind, would continue seeing him if he told her sorry it just didn't happen for me? He had to manipulate Nikki into thinking that it's the 2 of them against TPTB! Nikki is a good little chirping gf right by his side fighting off anyone and everyone who gets in their way....what a joke!

IMO, he knew that TPTB wanted a proposal, and he couldn't give them one because JPG did NOT fall in love. Nothing wrong with that. He could have just been honest and told everyone that IT didn't happen, and that would have been the end of JPG.

But wanting to be in the spotlight he decided to play games with whomever wanted to know about JPG/Nikki. This allowed him to stay in the spotlight. People are following their progress or lack of one; JPG's manipulation is working.

The lie detector person was right, JPG is  saying one thing, and sticking his tongue out at the same time. Fools are those who believe what he's saying.
What I found really disturbing is when he said to Nikki: "You know I wish I could make it better, every day....It's sooo hard"....I'm like WTF? What is wrong with her?

That's taking it one step further. You're basically describing a narcissist where as I was only describing an insensitive buffoon. I see some tenderness and empathy from him from time to time with Nikki. He was upset about Dick and he's emotional about Camilia. You may be right. I'm not dismissing your opinion, just giving him the benefit of the doubt for now. I'd hate to think that he'd put Nikki through this if he didn't have some feelings for her. Your post reminded me of something. Did we ever hear what the surprise CH was expecting JP to deliver at ATFR? If he was going to say I love you or propose UNTIL he got mad about Dancing with the Stars that's puts a different spin on things.

At least the human lie detector pushed on through his bs and got him to say the truth... that he does not love her. If it wasn't on Nikki before, it is now. She can't deny it any longer. I'd like the think it would make her decision easier, that she'd realize her needs are not being met and leave him, but with his defenses stripped away he's cornered and under real pressure of losing her, so I think he'll say ILY in 3 or 4 episodes from now, which in real time will make it like a week after he said he didn't love her.