Bachelor In Paradise - **Finale** - Episode 7 - September 8 2014 - General Discussion - *Spoilers*

MiaHawk wrote:I know I'm biased when it comes to my little Strudel, but...



Marcus did say some negative things about Chris B and Jesse, but I believe it had more to do with the fact that those 2 guys were treating women disrespectfully. It wasn't what they were doing so much as how they were doing it. At 26, Marcus showed more maturity and restraint than his older peers (Chris B and Jesse).  It wasn't a case of the pot calling the kettle black. It was more like the gentleman calling the 2 out for their douchebaggery.  I actually think that a man can sleep with 20 women and still be a gentleman about it, or a man can sleep with just 1 and be a douchebag. It is all about how you treat people. And like I said, at 26 Marcus treated both Andi and Lacy like gold. And both were recorded singing his praises for how respectful and genuine he is. As were many others, male and female.

JBF wrote:

MiaHawk wrote:I know I'm biased when it comes to my little Strudel, but...



Marcus did say some negative things about Chris B and Jesse, but I believe it had more to do with the fact that those 2 guys were treating women disrespectfully. It wasn't what they were doing so much as how they were doing it. At 26, Marcus showed more maturity and restraint than his older peers (Chris B and Jesse).  It wasn't a case of the pot calling the kettle black. It was more like the gentleman calling the 2 out for their douchebaggery.  I actually think that a man can sleep with 20 women and still be a gentleman about it, or a man can sleep with just 1 and be a douchebag. It is all about how you treat people. And like I said, at 26 Marcus treated both Andi and Lacy like gold. And both were recorded singing his praises for how respectful and genuine he is. As were many others, male and female.

*chuckle chuckle*

Strudel luuuuved that D-word. Actually I doubt Chris Bee is all that bad of a "player". Oh... he has been around the block all right. Little Christopher has had a work-out. He was pretty b-b-b-bad during the season of BP. Yet he talks more than he acts and my guess is that Strudel was judging him more on his edited TV personality than his real personality. Much like Ash telling Zack that Clare was a %$^# for frolicking in the ocean with Juan, despite the claim that there was no... um... consummation.

Jesse, though, did stir the pot by bragging about his exploits. So his kettle was definitely as black as Strudel called it. Also Strudel allowed Lacy to partake in the Jesse Talk Down with her gal-pals.

To me, Strudel was just being nit-picky. He isn't totally sweet. There is plenty of spice "baked in". Remember also how he took on Nick Vee with more gusto than Chris Essss in Belgium. I mean... you can't expect him to blink those liquid blue eyes like Cindy Lou Who ALL of the time, now do you?

nuts2uiam wrote:I don't know why I am always surprised by all things B franchise related, but I still am and I should know better by now.  I agree that Marcus and Lacy seem love struck but who knows maybe they will make it.  After all "Grown sexy and love sprinkles" seem to still be love struck.
Des and Chris and Molly (who I had to really "look" to see her, she looked so different to me) and Jason seem to have a more mature demeanor.  I guess the Rosenbaum's were busy with all things baby.
My surprise comes from Michelle, who one moment is giving motherly advice to each girl as they have a problem, then to Graham, then she falls apart and takes advice from her 9 year old!!  
She reminds us she is a mom, then says to Cody, Your not going to get L--D tonight and then the next day the fantasy suite talk about she and the Hulk and the amazing night.  I don't know maybe I am too old to watch this stuff anymore.

MiaHawk wrote:I know I'm biased when it comes to my little Strudel, but...

I'd bet dollars to donuts that each and every one of those 20+ very lucky ladies was treated with kindness, tenderness, and respect, whether it was for 24 minutes, 24 hours, or 24 days. IMO, Marcus doesn't appear have a mean bone in his body, so I don't think he is or ever was the type to callously use women and throw them into the gutter the next morning. I'm sure every single one of those lucky, lucky women was a willing participant, who enjoyed her Strudel time immensely.

Listen, I'm both old(er) and old-fashioned (as I am frequently reminded here on this board). I don't know why anyone (man or woman) would have needed to have sex with so many people with whom they clearly weren't in a long term committed relationship. Maybe it had something to do with his abandonment issues (father) or his rocky relationship with his mother.  Maybe his has been a life of women throwing themselves at him due to the temptation of sleeping with a nice guy who is also gorgeous. Months back I joked that because Marcus is so hot, he must have to beat the women off of him with a stick, and then his arms must get really tired, and then he needs to lie down and rest, and then those hoes take advantage of him.

I really don't know, because I'm not part of a generation or a mindset that views sex like it's the new fist bump. I actually think sex is the most intimate of activities between 2 adults. Sexual intimacy should be shared only after mental and emotional intimacy has been established between 2 committed adults, IMO.  So, no, I don't think 20+ partners is a wonderful Strudel factoid, but I'm trying to factor in all of the possible extenuating circumstances and his personality and character I witnessed on both shows.  

Marcus did say some negative things about Chris B and Jesse, but I believe it had more to do with the fact that those 2 guys were treating women disrespectfully. It wasn't what they were doing so much as how they were doing it. At 26, Marcus showed more maturity and restraint than his older peers (Chris B and Jesse).  It wasn't a case of the pot calling the kettle black. It was more like the gentleman calling the 2 out for their douchebaggery.  I actually think that a man can sleep with 20 women and still be a gentleman about it, or a man can sleep with just 1 and be a douchebag. It is all about how you treat people. And like I said, at 26 Marcus treated both Andi and Lacy like gold. And both were recorded singing his praises for how respectful and genuine he is. As were many others, male and female.  

So, if there are shortcomings in Strudel's life, they appear to be in his past. Some random attention seeking woman with whom he text messaged and who Blogger Boy is probably paying to cry wolf are really of no concern to me. I choose to judge his character by what he has shown to me (via these highly edited reality tv shows), and I have liked what I've seen.  Wishing him and Lacy lots of happiness and lots of beautiful children one day. Those 2 have a lot of love in their hearts to share. Hope they ignore all of the naysayers and just go confidently into their future.            

moonchild wrote:I hope we never see Jesse or ChrisB again.  Although, to me, Jesse made ChrisB look like a choirboy and much more likable.  

Note to Clare and Ashlee:  The two relationships that came out of this show were ones where the guys pursued the women!

Beautiful Brooks, my Grahammy Bear and Tasos like to take things slowly.  I would love to see them get the opportunity to find someone and pursue them instead of being chased.  Is Graham just too nice??  Brooks and Tasos just came in too late to get anything started and made their choices by default (IMO).

I was really disappointed in Robert claiming Sarah and telling Brooks hands off.  I would have liked to have seen Brooks and Sarah give it a chance.

Sarah had some tough moments on the show.  I hope she finds her someone!

All in all, I enjoyed the season and am glad that it has been renewed.

MiaHawk wrote:

moonchild wrote:I hope we never see Jesse or ChrisB again.  Although, to me, Jesse made ChrisB look like a choirboy and much more likable.  

Note to Clare and Ashlee:  The two relationships that came out of this show were ones where the guys pursued the women!

Beautiful Brooks, my Grahammy Bear and Tasos like to take things slowly.  I would love to see them get the opportunity to find someone and pursue them instead of being chased.  Is Graham just too nice??  Brooks and Tasos just came in too late to get anything started and made their choices by default (IMO).

I was really disappointed in Robert claiming Sarah and telling Brooks hands off.  I would have liked to have seen Brooks and Sarah give it a chance.

Sarah had some tough moments on the show.  I hope she finds her someone!

All in all, I enjoyed the season and am glad that it has been renewed.

When you think about it, if Chris B hadn't gifted his unused rose to MM, she never would have met Cody. Everything happens for a reason.

I loved that they used Elise's lulu of a speech during the ending of the show last night. All in all, I thought the finale was very well done and not boring at all (like a few episodes in the middle were to me).

Some random attention seeking woman with whom he text messaged and who Blogger Boy is probably paying to cry wolf are really of no concern to me. I choose to judge his character by what he has shown to me (via these highly edited reality tv shows), and I have liked what I've seen.

MiaHawk wrote:When you think about it, if Chris B hadn't gifted his unused rose to MM, she never would have met Cody. Everything happens for a reason.

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vivi2 wrote:

oops, after tonite of course!

A very long 4 months till The Bachelor

Well, there is Bachelor Canada in the middle leaving only a month to fill in.  Bach can supposedly will go from Sept 18 till end of November....11 episodes I thought.  Hopefully we will find out soon how many epis for sure.

I am liking how Lacey doesn't hold back with her thoughts...LOL.

happygirl77us wrote:I wonder why they made sure to point out Graham closed his twitter account