Bachelor In Paradise - **Finale** - Episode 7 - September 8 2014 - General Discussion - *Spoilers*

chasingpavements wrote:

luvlady345 wrote:Please I like Marcus but I heard about his reputation in Dallas, I am happy for them but let's not act like Marcus past doesn't exist.

20+ girls at 25 years old (which means about 8 years of dating) IS quite a lot. No judgement and it definitely doesn't mean that he's sexting with this girl now, but I don't doubt what RS has said about his reputation. He also had issues with possession of pills, so I think that there's probably a lot to him that we haven't seen on screen.

If he had been dating for eight years, that equals less than three people per year. So not actually that big of a deal. Plus, Marcus is gorgeous and probably had no problem finding a willing partner.

His experience to me means that when he is ready to commit to someone he may be more likely to be faithful and not have to wonder what else can be out there. JMO.

As for RS, he is a troll who likes to cause trouble. I personally believe very little of what he says. If you want to hear about what a nasty piece of work he is, look up Holly of Blake and Holly, she talked about it in an interview. He is vile and horrible to her because he got mad that he made assumptions and she was unwilling to break her confidentiality clause for him. Hateful, vile man. He seems nice enough with his family, but towards the people of this franchise he is a jealous twerp who resents that they and TPTB are responsible for his livelihood. I am glad we don't have threads for him and hate that his nastiness gets talked about so much.

An average of having sex with less than three people per year for an attractive available young man, who hasn't been in a long term relationship?

Kidd Kradick was a really great guy, the other people on the show were so vile, I had to stop listening as they were so shallow and petty that it was a waste of my time.

If Marcus dated or whatever 20+ girls, and none of them have surfaced with any negative comments, then they must have been willing partners, and don't have anything bad to say about him. That's my take on it.

He said he realizes his past relationships don't compare to what he has with Lacy. He said it in a respectful manner to those that were in his past.

IMO He's an all round nice guy.

IrishGal wrote:Wasn't the having sex with 20 girls said by Dylan rather than Marcus? This is exactly how nasty and false rumors start. And who cares what some DJ in Dallas says---does she have proof?

It was Marcus.

http://abc.go.com/shows/the-bachelorette/video/PL5556208/VDKA0_t8z6a8qi

chloep wrote:CH said in his blog that Marcus told them about planning to propose beforehand and they set up a little spot for that. Lacy was taken by surprise. Actually, the other couples initially thought that he got cold feet...

I just re-watched it and could see that Lacy was surprised; in fact I don't think she knew where this was headed until Marcus got down on one knee. I wonder how they "hid" the reasons for setting up the little spot because it wasn't always there (I looked for it in earlier shots) and it was right outside the common room they met in.

stuckinsc wrote:An average of having sex with less than three people per year for an attractive available young man, who hasn't been in a long term relationship?

That's assuming he's had sex with 20 people, but we don't know how many. The question was "Have you had sex with more than 20 women?" and he lied about it, so he really could have bedded any amount from 20 to 200. Not that I care much about his number, but I must say I was a bit surprised to hear that on MTA, because he seemed like such a lovesick puppy. Guys like that are usually desperate for a relationship rather than sex.

I've thought there was something off about him since early on in Andi's season, so I kind of am interested in his past. And he's been acting holier-than-thou so many times, while reading someone's private letter and whatnot. I guess we'll find out what his true colours are in due time.

mindless wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:An average of having sex with less than three people per year for an attractive available young man, who hasn't been in a long term relationship?

That's assuming he's had sex with 20 people, but we don't know how many. The question was "Have you had sex with more than 20 women?" and he lied about it, so he really could have bedded any amount from 20 to 200. Not that I care much about his number, but I must say I was a bit surprised to hear that on MTA, because he seemed like such a lovesick puppy. Guys like that are usually desperate for a relationship rather than sex.

I've thought there was something off about him since early on in Andi's season, so I kind of am interested in his past. And he's been acting holier-than-thou so many times, while reading someone's private letter and whatnot. I guess we'll find out what his true colours are in due time.

He's admitted to basically having been treated horribly as a child, so I think there are demons in his past, and that could explain the types of inconsistencies that have been seen. Hopefully Lacy is the right person to help him find his road.

I know I'm biased when it comes to my little Strudel, but...

I'd bet dollars to donuts that each and every one of those 20+ very lucky ladies was treated with kindness, tenderness, and respect, whether it was for 24 minutes, 24 hours, or 24 days. IMO, Marcus doesn't appear have a mean bone in his body, so I don't think he is or ever was the type to callously use women and throw them into the gutter the next morning. I'm sure every single one of those lucky, lucky women was a willing participant, who enjoyed her Strudel time immensely.

Listen, I'm both old(er) and old-fashioned (as I am frequently reminded here on this board). I don't know why anyone (man or woman) would have needed to have sex with so many people with whom they clearly weren't in a long term committed relationship. Maybe it had something to do with his abandonment issues (father) or his rocky relationship with his mother. Maybe his has been a life of women throwing themselves at him due to the temptation of sleeping with a nice guy who is also gorgeous. Months back I joked that because Marcus is so hot, he must have to beat the women off of him with a stick, and then his arms must get really tired, and then he needs to lie down and rest, and then those hoes take advantage of him.

I really don't know, because I'm not part of a generation or a mindset that views sex like it's the new fist bump. I actually think sex is the most intimate of activities between 2 adults. Sexual intimacy should be shared only after mental and emotional intimacy has been established between 2 committed adults, IMO. So, no, I don't think 20+ partners is a wonderful Strudel factoid, but I'm trying to factor in all of the possible extenuating circumstances and his personality and character I witnessed on both shows.

Marcus did say some negative things about Chris B and Jesse, but I believe it had more to do with the fact that those 2 guys were treating women disrespectfully. It wasn't what they were doing so much as how they were doing it. At 26, Marcus showed more maturity and restraint than his older peers (Chris B and Jesse). It wasn't a case of the pot calling the kettle black. It was more like the gentleman calling the 2 out for their douchebaggery. I actually think that a man can sleep with 20 women and still be a gentleman about it, or a man can sleep with just 1 and be a douchebag. It is all about how you treat people. And like I said, at 26 Marcus treated both Andi and Lacy like gold. And both were recorded singing his praises for how respectful and genuine he is. As were many others, male and female.

So, if there are shortcomings in Strudel's life, they appear to be in his past. Some random attention seeking woman with whom he text messaged and who Blogger Boy is probably paying to cry wolf are really of no concern to me. I choose to judge his character by what he has shown to me (via these highly edited reality tv shows), and I have liked what I've seen. Wishing him and Lacy lots of happiness and lots of beautiful children one day. Those 2 have a lot of love in their hearts to share. Hope they ignore all of the naysayers and just go confidently into their future.

mindless wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:An average of having sex with less than three people per year for an attractive available young man, who hasn't been in a long term relationship?

That's assuming he's had sex with 20 people, but we don't know how many. The question was "Have you had sex with more than 20 women?" and he lied about it, so he really could have bedded any amount from 20 to 200. Not that I care much about his number, but I must say I was a bit surprised to hear that on MTA, because he seemed like such a lovesick puppy. Guys like that are usually desperate for a relationship rather than sex.

I've thought there was something off about him since early on in Andi's season, so I kind of am interested in his past. And he's been acting holier-than-thou so many times, while reading someone's private letter and whatnot. I guess we'll find out what his true colours are in due time.

They spoke about his past on TBette and it was said that his father left him and his mother was very strict. I'm positive both played and continues to play a role on his life and especially in his mind. Just my opinion though.

MiaHawk wrote:I know I'm biased when it comes to my little Strudel, but...

I'd bet dollars to donuts that each and every one of those 20+ very lucky ladies was treated with kindness, tenderness, and respect, whether it was for 24 minutes, 24 hours, or 24 days. IMO, Marcus doesn't appear have a mean bone in his body, so I don't think he is or ever was the type to callously use women and throw them into the gutter the next morning. I'm sure every single one of those lucky, lucky women was a willing participant, who enjoyed her Strudel time immensely.

Listen, I'm both old(er) and old-fashioned (as I am frequently reminded here on this board). I don't know why anyone (man or woman) would have needed to have sex with so many people with whom they clearly weren't in a long term committed relationship. Maybe it had something to do with his abandonment issues (father) or his rocky relationship with his mother.  Maybe his has been a life of women throwing themselves at him due to the temptation of sleeping with a nice guy who is also gorgeous. Months back I joked that because Marcus is so hot, he must have to beat the women off of him with a stick, and then his arms must get really tired, and then he needs to lie down and rest, and then those hoes take advantage of him.

I really don't know, because I'm not part of a generation or a mindset that views sex like it's the new fist bump. I actually think sex is the most intimate of activities between 2 adults. Sexual intimacy should be shared only after mental and emotional intimacy has been established between 2 committed adults, IMO.  So, no, I don't think 20+ partners is a wonderful Strudel factoid, but I'm trying to factor in all of the possible extenuating circumstances and his personality and character I witnessed on both shows.  

Marcus did say some negative things about Chris B and Jesse, but I believe it had more to do with the fact that those 2 guys were treating women disrespectfully. It wasn't what they were doing so much as how they were doing it. At 26, Marcus showed more maturity and restraint than his older peers (Chris B and Jesse).  It wasn't a case of the pot calling the kettle black. It was more like the gentleman calling the 2 out for their douchebaggery.  I actually think that a man can sleep with 20 women and still be a gentleman about it, or a man can sleep with just 1 and be a douchebag. It is all about how you treat people. And like I said, at 26 Marcus treated both Andi and Lacy like gold. And both were recorded singing his praises for how respectful and genuine he is. As were many others, male and female.  

So, if there are shortcomings in Strudel's life, they appear to be in his past. Some random attention seeking woman with whom he text messaged and who Blogger Boy is probably paying to cry wolf are really of no concern to me. I choose to judge his character by what he has shown to me (via these highly edited reality tv shows), and I have liked what I've seen.  Wishing him and Lacy lots of happiness and lots of beautiful children one day. Those 2 have a lot of love in their hearts to share. Hope they ignore all of the naysayers and just go confidently into their future.            

MiaHawk wrote: I actually think that a man can sleep with 20 women and still be a gentleman about it, or a man can sleep with just 1 and be a douchebag. It is all about how you treat people.  

I agree. When everyone is honest and on the same page, and not paying the types of misleading games that Chris and Jesse seem to, it really just is about consenting adults.

I never got the impression from reading RS's comments that Marcus was considered a jerk in Dallas, just that it was known he had really been around. "OMG, I slept with him!" and not "I hate that guy, he played me." Pretty different from the chatter you might hear about Kalon, for example.

mindless wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:An average of having sex with less than three people per year for an attractive available young man, who hasn't been in a long term relationship?

That's assuming he's had sex with 20 people, but we don't know how many. The question was "Have you had sex with more than 20 women?" and he lied about it, so he really could have bedded any amount from 20 to 200. Not that I care much about his number, but I must say I was a bit surprised to hear that on MTA, because he seemed like such a lovesick puppy. Guys like that are usually desperate for a relationship rather than sex.

I've thought there was something off about him since early on in Andi's season, so I kind of am interested in his past. And he's been acting holier-than-thou so many times, while reading someone's private letter and whatnot. I guess we'll find out what his true colours are in due time.

Yeah, that is a bit of what annoys me about him (although he was one of my favorite guys in Andi's season). I'm sure the letter thing was producer-driven, so I don't blame him for that, but he did call Jesse and Chris both players. And, Jesse was in a 4-year relationship beforehand, so it seemed a bit like he rushed to judgement. Or, like when he assumed that Nick was there to become the next Bachelor and couldn't fathom that he had real feelings.

It will be interesting to see if Marcus/Lacy make it. Their relationship seemed a bit high-schoolish to me, but they both seem like really nice and loyal people so I hope they make it.