Re: Andi Dorfman and Josh Murray Bachelorette 10 - Media - Twitter - General Discussion Thread #2

[albean99]

If we were hearing things than you know TPTB knew things weren't going well between them, Kasha. Also none of the couples who were on the float were there last night so it worked out well. I think it was planned that way but not to shortchange Andi. 

The breakup hasn't changed how I think of them. Andi has some major growing up to do so in an odd way this may help her. Josh & MM need to stay of (my) tv in the future. He'll do just fine with women in Atlanta when he's ready.

[Bet2Win]

Good catch notarose!  They have always spent about 10 minutes of the person that broke their heart, showing footage of it.

[Guest]

^ It's brutal. I would say 98% of the hate is directed at Andi. Whether it's the comments on the articles or sites talking about the break up, it's really bad. I hope for her sake she doesn't go anywhere near SM.

No secret I am not a fan of Andi's but I too hope she keeps her friends and family close right now and stays away from SM. People can be so cruel and breakups are painful in and of themselves.

[Bet2Win]

About social media and MeAndi ... she wasn't very nice about JPG on social media; and she was in the same room with Kelly when Kelly tweeted some pretty awful things about Nick.

What goes around, comes around.

But, if she were my daughter, I would tell her to take all comments, even the negative ones, as a compliment ... because if she didn't have something that others wanted, she wouldn't even be on their radar.

[Guest]

Cuppa I stand by my Nick/Josh comment with sincerity. Those two guys have more on and off paper similar to each other than either would with Andi.  When you think about--it's sad.

I agree, could have been an epic bromance. Maybe there is still a chance.

[unknown82]

I knew Josh and Andi would not make it. I have never disliked a lead as much I have disliked Andi. As someone has stated in this thread, she needs to grow up and smell the roses. In this world, not a lot of people will put up with the crap Andi was dishing out. Even though I didn't like some of the things Josh said about Nick, I sincerely believe he truely was looking for his soulmate. Hopefully, Josh can reflect on this expirience with Andi and know exactly what he is looking for in a future spouse. I wish Josh the best and I know In God's time he will find what he is looking for.

[Sprite]

I was working and am finally catching up.

I am and I am not surprised all at the same time if that makes sense. I thought, perhaps more than any other couple to have come out of this show, they had the most in common and living in the same city, had the best chance of making it. On the other hand, Andi would be tough to live with and eventually, she would turn on Josh like she did with anyone else that questioned her. Similarly, in the last while, there was something off for me in some of the pictures I saw and then that totally weird, manic performance at the premier. Of course, we had also started to hear some rumblings. Just like Emily/Jeff, Nikki/JPab, where there is smoke, there is fire...even if people don't want to believe it.

If Andi thought it was tough after the AFTR, it is going to be way worse now. No more Josh to protect her and help her through it and let's face it, most everyone is going to blame her. As  always. with time, the truth comes out and karma really is a b*tch.

There is a quote from Harvey Mackay: Talent is God given; be humble. Fame is man given; be thankful. Conceit is self given; be careful.

[SueSt]

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I am a Nick fan as you probably know.  I think part of the reason TPTB haven't seemed supportive of Jodi has more to do with Meandi.  She didn't follow the storyline she helped write, by choosing Josh instead of Nick, in the last days of The Bachelorette. Nick trying to contact Andi, the letter, the ATFR admission, etc. were encouraged and spotlighted by TPTB. Some of these things could have taken place without us ever having to know about them, which would have been much more supportive of the new couple. But they chose instead to make things as awkward and uncomfortable for everyone involved. You have to ask yourself why they would choose to go that route.  Just for ratings? I don't think so, but that might just be me.

VERY astute and interesting comments cuppa about Andi forgoing the storyline she helped create and the response from TPTB.  So the implication is that TPTB were as blindsighted and shocked as Nick with her change of heart at the last minute and so didn't back away from the tension it would cause to highlight her attraction for Nick.  You note TPTB were trying to make things uncomfortable for all - what are you suggesting?  were they standing up for Nick, trying to get Andi to see the error of her ways??  thoughts?

Now that we're talking about it, I always found it very interesting that the edit at MTP when Andi is talking with her sister was all about how she never felt anything like she felt with Nick... and it reminded me (and Nick too I think) of how 'real' their connection was and how CRAZY it was that she would step away from it.

Hey, thanks Sue. In response to the bolded, I do think Andi had been telling TPTB that she was going to choose Nick and then changed her mind in the remaining few days, leaving them blindsided and scrambling to bring it to a believable conclusion. In fact, someone here on the forum even suggested that the reason Josh's proposal suit was so tight was because the show stylist had actually picked out that proposal suit for Nick! I will even go so far as to state that I think Andi may have verbalized something significant to Nick during their time in the fantasy suite which would encourage him to think he was F1 and propose. After the fantasy suite but before Andi broke up with him, Nick must have had some communication somehow with JJ and it indicated what had taken place and his plans to propose, because at that time JJ added a comment along the lines of "wooo hooo" on a very, very old totally unrelated IG post of Nick's -- a covert way of showing his excitement for his friend.

Anyway, regarding TPTB. We saw the Nick and Andi love story every step of the way and the script was right there. Heck, you can see the storyline displayed in Expedia's advertisements that run with subsequent viewings of the show in various outlets, right down to the storybook and the boy wearing the table cloth shirt (it is kind of eerie actually). I'll even speculate that TPTB could have originally had Eric to be F1 but Andi's impulsive and inappropriate anger nixed that possibility. Remember that the advertisers are the supreme beings here even above Mr. Fleiss himself. But I digress. I think Andi royally p*ssed off TPTB with changing gears so late in the process and they grew to dislike her during filming and so they punished her (and deservedly so I think, but at others expense as well).  MF is a man that does not liked to be f*cked with and he will retaliate (just ask his neighbors).  Perhaps the relentless bashing of JPG on the red carpet the other night was twofold in that it was also a warning to any other uppity former lead (Andi?) to keep their mouth shut or they will be crushed like bugs. I probably didn't support my case here and it all sounds too far fetched. Call me crazy, go ahead. I get carried away sometimes, I know.

Thanks for your response, Cuppa.
I appreciate your thoughts and analysis… not crazy or far-fetched at all.
Curious about your JJ comments… How would Nick have contact with JJ if he was still on the show and/or why would JJ comment on an old picture?? Any other info?
Interesting comments about the Expedia ads.. on which outlets did you see these??? Do you recall?
Also, you make comments about MF’s neighbors… what’s the story there???
And very interesting comments about Nikki, JPG and MF vs. his leads. Sounds like a very dangerous devil to get in bed with!!!
Again, thanks for your sharp perspective.

[SueSt]

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There is a quote from Harvey Mackay: Talent is God given; be humble. Fame is man given; be thankful. Conceit is self given; be careful.

Great quote, Sprite. Thanks.

[SueSt]

I don't think TPTB were supportive of JODI for several reasons. Cuppa above stated a reason I agree with.
Another for me is this was the first ATFR I could remember where they focused so little on the "happy" couple. I think they spent a total of 12-15 minutes focused on JODI. I don't think the did a montage of them and their "journey" as they usually do. That was the first odd moment for me--the entire ATFR.
Also, don't TPTB usually promote the couple a lot more then JODI got. It seems in the past TPTB assisted the couple in getting a lot more promos etc which all add to the couple stardom and income. To me it seemed all the promo JODI got after the media circuit was very second rate. IMO.
Then lastly, IMO--JODI could have and should have been in the Rose Parade. It would have been so easy to have had the last "successful" couple there and then subsequently found a couple things for them to promote while out there an additional couple days until Jan 5th for the premiere.
I don't think TPTB supported them at all. IMO. I can't figure out the reason. That is the interesting part.

Also, I thought something was up when there was no footage of Chris Soules' time with Andi on the Bachelorette shown during this Bachelor season EPI 1 before the limos arrived.  I don't recall that ever happening before.

Very interesting observation NR... Sharp as always!!

[mindless]

Honestly, I don't think Andi was ever truly in love with Josh. I don't think she was truly in love with Nick either for that matter, she's too rational to fall in love just like that. She's always come across as rather insecure to me and like she cares way too much about what other people think. So she saw Josh as the perfect guy on paper, ex-athlete living in ATL with a locally famous family. She wanted to be part of that so bad! And I wouldn't be surprised if their FS heart-to-heart involved Josh "warning" her about Nick, who "nobody" liked. So Josh was the safe media attractive choice. She wanted him to be The One and decided to make love happen. But it never really did. I saw her act her way through the proposal and all the interviews. It was jarring how unnatural she was being, but I thought it's because she's just unable to be natural in front of the cameras. Now I wonder if it wasn't to convince herself just as much as the rest of us that she was madly in love.

I wouldn't be surprised if now months later, when it was time to actually start making concrete plans about a life together, like setting a date for the wedding and buying a house, she became evasive and hesitant and Josh just knew it wasn't gonna go the distance. I can imagine their future plans coming up a lot during the holidays with the families and both of them growing increasingly anxious about the whole thing. Then Andi putting on a that ridiculous show on Monday just broke the camel's back. Josh looked a bit disgusted at times.

This is just speculation, but that's how I saw it.

[aviej]

I wouldn't go as far as to say she was never truly in love with him, it is just at this point I feel she has other priorities.

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