Re: Andi Dorfman and Josh Murray Bachelorette 10 - Media - Twitter - General Discussion Thread #2

by SueSt Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:40 am

mindless wrote:Honestly, I don't think Andi was ever truly in love with Josh. I don't think she was truly in love with Nick either for that matter, she's too rational to fall in love just like that. She's always come across as rather insecure to me and like she cares way too much about what other people think. So she saw Josh as the perfect guy on paper, ex-athlete living in ATL with a locally famous family. She wanted to be part of that so bad! And I wouldn't be surprised if their FS heart-to-heart involved Josh "warning" her about Nick, who "nobody" liked. So Josh was the safe media attractive choice. She wanted him to be The One and decided to make love happen. But it never really did. I saw her act her way through the proposal and all the interviews. It was jarring how unnatural she was being, but I thought it's because she's just unable to be natural in front of the cameras. Now I wonder if it wasn't to convince herself just as much as the rest of us that she was madly in love.

I wouldn't be surprised if now months later, when it was time to actually start making concrete plans about a life together, like setting a date for the wedding and buying a house, she became evasive and hesitant and Josh just knew it wasn't gonna go the distance. I can imagine their future plans coming up a lot during the holidays with the families and both of them growing increasingly anxious about the whole thing. Then Andi putting on a that ridiculous show on Monday just broke the camel's back. Josh looked a bit disgusted at times.

This is just speculation, but that's how I saw it.

Well, I agree with your analysis of Andi using her head to convince herself to choose Josh and because her heart was NOT involved that she came across as inauthentic. Definitely agree there... I think more likely than becoming evasive during their time together she became abrasive (reverting back to form) and so, as you note, Josh became disgusted with the true Andi... and recognized he was sold a bill of goods by Andi about who she was and finally bailed.

It's no secret I'm a Nick fan; and personally, I think Andi fell in love with Nick, BIG TIME and to her surprise.... which is what, for me, makes the whole story REALLY sad. That she had real love and gave it up for a showmance. Sad, sad, sad.... no no

by mindless Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:53 am

aviej wrote:I wouldn't go as far as to say she was never truly in love with him, it is just at this point I feel she has other priorities.

I'm sure she has and I don't think they were ever on the same page about when to start a family. But I also don't think Kelly's latest tweet "She almost loves him..." was referring to just the dogs in the picture.

by aviej Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:05 am

What does Kelly's tweet really mean anyways? I thought it was as plain as day that she loved him.

by mindless Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:06 am

SueSt wrote:
Well, I agree with your analysis of Andi using her head to convince herself to choose Josh and because her heart was NOT involved that she came across as inauthentic. Definitely agree there... I think more likely than becoming evasive during their time together she became abrasive (reverting back to form) and so, as you note, Josh became disgusted with the true Andi... and recognized he was sold a bill of goods by Andi about who she was and finally bailed.

It's no secret I'm a Nick fan; and personally, I think Andi fell in love with Nick, BIG TIME and to her surprise.... which is what, for me, makes the whole story REALLY sad. That she had real love and gave it up for a showmance. Sad, sad, sad....

Maybe I'm just projecting because I can't imagine falling in love as fast as you're required on the show, least of all if you're dating several people at once. Maybe if you're a contestant and can focus on one person alone and have endless time to replay your time together in your mind between dates, then it's possible. I would be a mess as the lead. She seems like a fairly rational, even control freakish person, and if she was conflicted then I have trouble believing she could just let herself fall. But she was definitely as intrigued by Nick as she was by Josh, if not more. And on an intellectual level I think there was a lot more depth to their relationship, whereas with Josh it was all giggles.

by mindless Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:10 am

aviej wrote:What does Kelly's tweet really mean anyways? I thought it was as plain as day that she loved him.

I think it means that she tried really hard to love him and maybe convinced herself that she did for a while, but at the end of the day she realised she never quite got there. There being true love that is.

We all know Kelly's acted as her mouthpiece on Twitter before, so I'm fairly certain this is no exception.

by aviej Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:20 am

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by aviej Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:23 am

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by SueSt Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:27 am

mindless wrote:
SueSt wrote:
Well, I agree with your analysis of Andi using her head to convince herself to choose Josh and because her heart was NOT involved that she came across as inauthentic. Definitely agree there... I think more likely than becoming evasive during their time together she became abrasive (reverting back to form) and so, as you note, Josh became disgusted with the true Andi... and recognized he was sold a bill of goods by Andi about who she was and finally bailed.

It's no secret I'm a Nick fan; and personally, I think Andi fell in love with Nick, BIG TIME and to her surprise.... which is what, for me, makes the whole story REALLY sad. That she had real love and gave it up for a showmance. Sad, sad, sad....

Maybe I'm just projecting because I can't imagine falling in love as fast as you're required on the show, least of all if you're dating several people at once. Maybe if you're a contestant and can focus on one person alone and have endless time to replay your time together in your mind between dates, then it's possible. I would be a mess as the lead. She seems like a fairly rational, even control freakish person, and if she was conflicted then I have trouble believing she could just let herself fall. But she was definitely as intrigued by Nick as she was by Josh, if not more. And on an intellectual level I think there was a lot more depth to their relationship, whereas with Josh it was all giggles.

Your comments about falling in love as fast as you're required on the show make a lot of sense... particularly in light of Andi's conflict... and I definitely understand your skepticism. So you may be right that Andi fell in love with neither suitor... But I saw something very special between Nick and Andi. And I saw Nick as a narrator I could trust. I believed his skepticism and the thoughtful and logical way he approached the situation and his feelings.... and as a result, I believed him when he said he saw Andi fall in love with him. no idea

by nutty1 Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:09 am

I think Nick Sutter said it best (IMO anyway) in the article where the other Nick was interviewed about the breakup…..

but Andi saw more public potential with Josh than with Nick.