Re: Andi Dorfman and Josh Murray Bachelorette 10 - Media - Twitter - General Discussion Thread #2

[MiaHawk]

Andi's really taking a beating online. (Referring to comments on the People article). For her sake, I hope she isn't reading any of it. I know that I've been unkind towards both of them at times, but some people are brutal. Best for both of them not to read all of the crap.

[Ash2214]

^ It's brutal. I would say 98% of the hate is directed at Andi. Whether it's the comments on the articles or sites talking about the break up, it's really bad. I hope for her sake she doesn't go anywhere near SM.

[Guest]

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I am a Nick fan as you probably know.  I think part of the reason TPTB haven't seemed supportive of Jodi has more to do with Meandi.  She didn't follow the storyline she helped write, by choosing Josh instead of Nick, in the last days of The Bachelorette. Nick trying to contact Andi, the letter, the ATFR admission, etc. were encouraged and spotlighted by TPTB. Some of these things could have taken place without us ever having to know about them, which would have been much more supportive of the new couple. But they chose instead to make things as awkward and uncomfortable for everyone involved. You have to ask yourself why they would choose to go that route.  Just for ratings? I don't think so, but that might just be me.

VERY astute and interesting comments cuppa about Andi forgoing the storyline she helped create and the response from TPTB.  So the implication is that TPTB were as blindsighted and shocked as Nick with her change of heart at the last minute and so didn't back away from the tension it would cause to highlight her attraction for Nick.  You note TPTB were trying to make things uncomfortable for all - what are you suggesting?  were they standing up for Nick, trying to get Andi to see the error of her ways??  thoughts?

Now that we're talking about it, I always found it very interesting that the edit at MTP when Andi is talking with her sister was all about how she never felt anything like she felt with Nick... and it reminded me (and Nick too I think) of how 'real' their connection was and how CRAZY it was that she would step away from it.

Hey, thanks Sue. In response to the bolded, I do think Andi had been telling TPTB that she was going to choose Nick and then changed her mind in the remaining few days, leaving them blindsided and scrambling to bring it to a believable conclusion. In fact, someone here on the forum even suggested that the reason Josh's proposal suit was so tight was because the show stylist had actually picked out that proposal suit for Nick! I will even go so far as to state that I think Andi may have verbalized something significant to Nick during their time in the fantasy suite which would encourage him to think he was F1 and propose. After the fantasy suite but before Andi broke up with him, Nick must have had some communication somehow with JJ and it indicated what had taken place and his plans to propose, because at that time JJ added a comment along the lines of "wooo hooo" on a very, very old totally unrelated IG post of Nick's -- a covert way of showing his excitement for his friend.

Anyway, regarding TPTB. We saw the Nick and Andi love story every step of the way and the script was right there. Heck, you can see the storyline displayed in Expedia's advertisements that run with subsequent viewings of the show in various outlets, right down to the storybook and the boy wearing the table cloth shirt (it is kind of eerie actually). I'll even speculate that TPTB could have originally had Eric to be F1 but Andi's impulsive and inappropriate anger nixed that possibility. Remember that the advertisers are the supreme beings here even above Mr. Fleiss himself. But I digress. I think Andi royally p*ssed off TPTB with changing gears so late in the process and they grew to dislike her during filming and so they punished her (and deservedly so I think, but at others expense as well).  MF is a man that does not liked to be f*cked with and he will retaliate (just ask his neighbors).  Perhaps the relentless bashing of JPG on the red carpet the other night was twofold in that it was also a warning to any other uppity former lead (Andi?) to keep their mouth shut or they will be crushed like bugs. I probably didn't support my case here and it all sounds too far fetched. Call me crazy, go ahead. I get carried away sometimes, I know.

[Kashathediva]

^ It's brutal. I would say 98% of the hate is directed at Andi. Whether it's the comments on the articles or sites talking about the break up, it's really bad. I hope for her sake she doesn't go anywhere near SM.

I hope so for her sake, too.
For a long time, I have thought TPTB were throwing her under the bus, since the ATFR and on so many counts. For some reason they did not like her or they are more misogynistic than I ever thought. I think the public is going to be harsher toward her than they were to JPG. I don't want to say I pity her because I know that's the last thing anyone strong wants. I hope she can muster strength, ignore the negative as much as possible and try to grow/learn from it all.

[Alanna]

^ It's brutal. I would say 98% of the hate is directed at Andi. Whether it's the comments on the articles or sites talking about the break up, it's really bad. I hope for her sake she doesn't go anywhere near SM.

I don't think she's on sm because she hasn't done anything but fav'ing Sophie's tweet hours ago, I would guess she's probably at home with her mom & dad. Really, where else could she be? Josh is/was on sm more though- he changed his twitter background, unliked the Josh Murray & Andi Dorfman fb page he ran that advertised AdvoCare and fav'd a tweet about kindness which was much more recent than Sophie's. Oh and he also posted and deleted an Insta about praying to find his way. Sadz all around.

[Guest]

^^^ Can I ask guys why do you say TPTB were not supportive to them? Did I  miss something?

If TPTB were really supportive of this couple, Nick's actions after the FRC would have never been engineered, or encouraged, or even happened, for that matter. And they did not have to publicize and focus on it the way they did otherwise we could have been none the wiser. And they sabotaged Andi and Josh by having CH prompt and prod Nick into making his on air admission regarding the FS at ATFR. Just MHO.

[Kashathediva]

I don't think TPTB were supportive of JODI for several reasons. Cuppa above stated a reason I agree with.
Another for me is this was the first ATFR I could remember where they focused so little on the "happy" couple. I think they spent a total of 12-15 minutes focused on JODI. I don't think the did a montage of them and their "journey" as they usually do. That was the first odd moment for me--the entire ATFR.
Also, don't TPTB usually promote the couple a lot more then JODI got. It seems in the past TPTB assisted the couple in getting a lot more promos etc which all add to the couple stardom and income. To me it seemed all the promo JODI got after the media circuit was very second rate. IMO.
Then lastly, IMO--JODI could have and should have been in the Rose Parade. It would have been so easy to have had the last "successful" couple there and then subsequently found a couple things for them to promote while out there an additional couple days until Jan 5th for the premiere.
I don't think TPTB supported them at all. IMO. I can't figure out the reason. That is the interesting part.

[notarose]

I don't think TPTB were supportive of JODI for several reasons. Cuppa above stated a reason I agree with.
Another for me is this was the first ATFR I could remember where they focused so little on the "happy" couple. I think they spent a total of 12-15 minutes focused on JODI. I don't think the did a montage of them and their "journey" as they usually do. That was the first odd moment for me--the entire ATFR.
Also, don't TPTB usually promote the couple a lot more then JODI got. It seems in the past TPTB assisted the couple in getting a lot more promos etc which all add to the couple stardom and income. To me it seemed all the promo JODI got after the media circuit was very second rate. IMO.
Then lastly, IMO--JODI could have and should have been in the Rose Parade. It would have been so easy to have had the last "successful" couple there and then subsequently found a couple things for them to promote while out there an additional couple days until Jan 5th for the premiere.
I don't think TPTB supported them at all. IMO. I can't figure out the reason. That is the interesting part.

Also, I thought something was up when there was no footage of Chris Soules' time with Andi on the Bachelorette shown during this Bachelor season EPI 1 before the limos arrived.  I don't recall that ever happening before.

[california90]

When/where/what did Josh say about Britt?

[Ash2214]

^ CH asked him what he thought of Britt. He just said "she's a sweet girl" and CH just said that was smart to say since he's a taken man.

[Guest]

OMG, the title for USA Today's article on the breakup is:

The Bachelorette and Aaron Murray's brother broke up

BURNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!  

A break up is hard enough without the media referring to you as someone's brother. Really?? Shame on USA Today.

I want to add something regarding the Wetpaint article just mentioned. In the past they(Wetpaint) have had "people, reporters" whatever you would like to label them on this forum reading and then going back to their site and publishing. They do this with RS, too, read his site and then publish. So I would take Wetpaint out of any equation as being a reliable source as their source could be what they gathered from "us".

Also regarding this:  Per Mia

This is kind of off-topic, but to me it says a lot about how Andi may have been raised:  In that AH video clip, A and J discuss the recent holidays, and A says that on Thanksgiving her mom cooked a turkey for the first time.  Really? At like 50+ she never cooked a turkey before?  Seems so odd to me. But, maybe that's how they've lived.  You know, on the show A did say she eats sushi 5 days a week.  To me that's code for: "I don't cook!" Maybe they were on the fence for a while and going through the major holidays together just accentuated their differences (traditions, view of what family means, interest in cooking and kids, earning and spending money, etc).  Maybe it became more clear that they weren't right for one another after all of the major holidays and all of the work and compromise that goes into those. Just a thought.

This ^^^^ On paper it looked good. In reality not so much, two very, very different families and upbringing.  I see more similarities between Josh and Nick if they should decide to get engaged and make a go of it, than either men with MEandI.

I feel so awful about the USA Today headline also. Poor Josh having that sort of humiliation to deal with on top of everything else!

The Nick and Josh as a couple comment is absolutely frickin' priceless LOL.

[Kashathediva]

I don't think TPTB were supportive of JODI for several reasons. Cuppa above stated a reason I agree with.
Another for me is this was the first ATFR I could remember where they focused so little on the "happy" couple. I think they spent a total of 12-15 minutes focused on JODI. I don't think the did a montage of them and their "journey" as they usually do. That was the first odd moment for me--the entire ATFR.
Also, don't TPTB usually promote the couple a lot more then JODI got. It seems in the past TPTB assisted the couple in getting a lot more promos etc which all add to the couple stardom and income. To me it seemed all the promo JODI got after the media circuit was very second rate. IMO.
Then lastly, IMO--JODI could have and should have been in the Rose Parade. It would have been so easy to have had the last "successful" couple there and then subsequently found a couple things for them to promote while out there an additional couple days until Jan 5th for the premiere.
I don't think TPTB supported them at all. IMO. I can't figure out the reason. That is the interesting part.

Also, I thought something was up when there was no footage of Chris Soules' time with Andi on the Bachelorette shown during this Bachelor season EPI 1 before the limos arrived.  I don't recall that ever happening before.

Great point. You are very right.
This whole thing is so strange.

Cuppa I stand by my Nick/Josh comment with sincerity. Those two guys have more on and off paper similar to each other than either would with Andi. When you think about--it's sad.

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