Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #7

[Acrunch]

She'll lie and steal and cheat, and beg you from her knees.
Make you think she means it this time
She'll tear a hole in you, the one you can't repair
But I still love her, I don't really care

It's better to feel pain, than nothing at all
The opposite of love's indifference
So pay attention now, I'm standing on your porch screaming out
And I won't leave until you come downstairs

Shudder!  I certainly hope that he just likes the song otherwise yikes!

[stuckinsc]

She'll lie and steal and cheat, and beg you from her knees.
Make you think she means it this time
She'll tear a hole in you, the one you can't repair
But I still love her, I don't really care

It's better to feel pain, than nothing at all
The opposite of love's indifference
So pay attention now, I'm standing on your porch screaming out
And I won't leave until you come downstairs

Shudder!  I certainly hope that he just likes the song otherwise yikes!

Many of us have posted we are Lumineers fans. If you listen to the song it makes more sense. I think our boy has moved on. So no worries, no late night flights scheduled to GA. Too bad, I wouldn't mind being able to see Nick up close and personal.    Poor Me!

[mindless]

I doubt that tweet's even related to the song. I've heard the same sentiment several times in my life and I don't even know that band. It's not something they came up with.

[isittrue]

She'll lie and steal and cheat, and beg you from her knees.
Make you think she means it this time
She'll tear a hole in you, the one you can't repair
But I still love her, I don't really care

It's better to feel pain, than nothing at all
The opposite of love's indifference
So pay attention now, I'm standing on your porch screaming out
And I won't leave until you come downstairs

Shudder!  I certainly hope that he just likes the song otherwise yikes!

Many of us have posted we are Lumineers fans.  If you listen to the song it makes more sense.  I think our boy has moved on.  So no worries, no late night flights scheduled to GA.  Too bad, I wouldn't mind being able to see Nick up close and personal.    Poor Me!

Yeah me either, Stuck!  Do we even know for sure this tweet comes from the Lumineer song in the first place? I actually never heard the song until the other day but I heard the quote quite some time ago.  I don't think it originated with the Lumineer song.  Maybe, Nick was quoting it from something else.  Maybe it was a jab at Andi for favoring hate tweets or implying Nick was a ---- in her radio interview or maybe it was Nick saying he was indifferent to Andi and does not love or hate her... or maybe if he does just like the song and it has nothing at all to do with Andi.   The point is we can put ten different meanings behind every tweet and sometimes it is the most simple answer that is overlooked....

ETA:  mindless, I see we are on the same track here.

[Lucas15]

If you listen to the song it makes more sense.

Unfortunately I actually did listen to it first; sort of. The first Google link that came up in a search for "The Lumineers Stubborn Love" was a link to the official video. The video centers around a young daughter who is going with her mother and leaving her father behind as a result of her parents divorcing, which I found disturbing in its own right though I will readily admit this hit me somewhat too close to home because of things that have happened in my close family. I looked up the lyrics to see if that was really what the song was about and that's when I saw the lyrics I posted.

I do think the Lumineers are a good group and will probably listen for other songs they've done but this one remains a bit on the dark side for me.

[nutty1]

I don't think anything Nick tweets now is a shout out to Andi. I think he has moved on.

[albean99]

I don't think anything Nick tweets now is a shout out to Andi. I think he has moved on.

I'm with you, Nutty.  :Nod: 

[sdmom]

Nick NEVER tweeted the song. We will never know why he tweeted that saying (indifference is the opposite of love)
The original quote is by Elie Wiesel. Who's to say Nick was not quoting Mr Wiesel? He's quoted Erica Jong before.
If we are going to discuss  what Nick's up to, how about he helped raising money for a breast cancer patient who he probably had never met before?
Last Saturday 8/17:
statechicago
1 week ago
Hello #chicago!!! We have #thebachlorette's @Nick_Viall28 hosting a party that you don't want to miss! We're raising money to #savetheboobies, cause #breastcancersucks! So come on down, there's still an hour left! #cancersucks #breastcancerawareness


We probably will never know him, but I think his SM provides a glimpse of who the real Nick is. He's not tweeted/faved/retweeted about the bachelorette since 8/7. IMO, he's put it behind.  Let's talk about something new, positive or negative.

[isittrue]

sdmom Thank you for saying what I was so clumsily trying to point out in my post. Nick never tweeted about the line being from the song and IMO he has definitely moved on from Andi and the whole bachelorette experience. I agree we should move on just as he has.

[stuckinsc]

Nick NEVER tweeted the song. We will never know why he tweeted that saying (indifference is the opposite of love)
The original quote is by Elie Wiesel. Who's to say Nick was not quoting Mr  Wiesel? He's quoted Erica Jong before.
If we are going to discuss  what Nick's up to, how about he helped raising money for a breast cancer patient who he probably had never met before?
Last Saturday 8/17:
statechicago
1 week ago
Hello #chicago!!! We have #thebachlorette's @Nick_Viall28 hosting a party that you don't want to miss! We're raising money to #savetheboobies, cause #breastcancersucks! So come on down, there's still an hour left! #cancersucks #breastcancerawareness


We probably will never know him, but I think his SM provides a glimpse of who the real Nick is. He's not tweeted/faved/retweeted about the bachelorette since 8/7. IMO, he's put it behind.  Let's talk about something new, positive or negative.

The lady was so touched that Nick did that. It meant a lot to her and she managed to raise over the amount she was shooting for. So it was really a great night!

[albean99]

I don't think Nick was always their villain of the season and if Andi had picked him it would likely have been someone else, maybe Josh. A lot of the stuff they used was his PIs and would have been easy to leave out. In any case it doesn't really matter since this is Andi & Josh's discussion thread and it's turned into a Nick discussion.

ITA that if Nick had been Andi's F1, he would have gotten a better edit, just as IMO Ed and Jesse (from Deanna's season) actually got better edits than both could have been given, had they not ended up as F1s.  In both cases, the producers knew that there was a girlfriend back home, but that fact was totally ignored in the edit.  Also, I believe Ed was often drunk in the house (think his stint on BP) yet for the most part was shown to be a respectable businessman (which he also was, albeit one who liked to drink a lot).  With Jesse, he was supposedly a real PITA who only came on the show to promote himself (the original "there for the wrong reasons") yet he wasn't presented that way at all.  Goes back to my original statement that the producers, at least up until now (and IMO they will keep doing it) will not try to make a male F1 look like that season's villain, and will actually clean up their image if needed.  And they will not extend that same courtesy to the female F1s.  Double standard indeed.

I brought this here where it belongs.

I hate to keep arguing this but Vienna and Courtney really didn't get long with the others in their season and there was no hiding it. They could have softened some of Courtney's edit but it was probably the only way to hide the fact that Ben chose her from their 1st date. In both cases the guys picked the villain of the season. The female leads so far haven't done that plus the guys who last on the show tend to get along with others (including Nick). It was rumored this season that Andi's guys got along too well for her liking. The bachelorettes are more likely to have a few close friends so they're more in separate groups unless they're up against a common enemy.

I'm not saying TPTB are kind to women by any stretch of the imagination. It's really not a good thing to have 25 women compete for a guy. I think it brings out the drama in some of them. I think they have to work much harder to get the clips they need for the guy's edits because mostly they're having fun hanging out and even going to church together.

I don't believe they want any more 'villain' f1 of either gender. It doesn't bode well for a happy ending.

[Kashathediva]

Per Albean

I'm not saying TPTB are kind to women by any stretch of the imagination. It's really not a good thing to have 25 women compete for a guy. I think it brings out the drama in some of them.

And if there isn't drama or enough of it, TPTB will manufacture it. The best example I can reference was with Bevin. When she injured her foot the other girls in the house helped her the rest of the season with dressing, hair and makeup. Yet episode after episode showed the girls making fun of her for whining and playing up her injury. In the past, the girls will often lend clothes to each other and assist with the hair and makeup. TPTB never show the nice things they do for or with each other. I guess they want more Dynasty cat fights and mud wrestling.

As far as the gender issues, what could they show except some type of competitive group date or one upmanship? IMO--it looks so whiney when men get petty in ITM's/PI's and appears less than a masculine trait. I guess they could have a spontaneous brawl and that might be entertaining, but I can't see that happening.

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