Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #7

[Mustang19]

If sex is so meaningful to him, why didn't Nick just say "NO" in the FS??  Especially knowing there are still 2 guys in the picture and not knowing for certain how Andi feels about him?  Has Nick taken a little bit of the responsibility for his part in FS?  

I admit I have not seen or read all his interviews but it seems he continues to act as the victim who told Andi how sex is "so special to him" and yet Andi still jumped his bones.   Has he said in any of the interviews that "maybe we BOTH got carried away and looking back, I should have said no not knowing 100%  she's in love with me"?

Because she reassured him and told him that everything would be ok. I would take that to mean I'm F1. And to turn it around, why didn't Andi say no when she knew she was choosing Josh - this whole mess would have been avoided. Andi should take some responsibility too - they are both not blameless.

Did she tell him this in the FS?  Because if I am not mistaken Steel2009 was talking about what was said the FS....

Obviously, none of us were there. I believe Nick said in an interview that she reassured him throughout the show and told him everything would be fine. If I'm telling someone I love them, and by contract they can't answer directly, but do tell me everything will be ok, I'm taking that to mean that that person feels the same about me. We all see things differently, and others might not feel the same and that's OK. Just stating my opinion.

[Mustang19]

Mustang, some of us don't think Andi knew she was in love with Josh when she slept with Nick.  Believe her or not, but she has said she didn't know, in a few interviews.

That may or may not be true, we wll never know. She did say something like you were the one from the moment we met or I laid eyes on you. I don't have a problem with the sex part, but I do when both parties are not on the same page about it.

[Kashathediva]

Because she reassured him and told him that everything would be ok. I would take that to mean I'm F1. And to turn it around, why didn't Andi say no when she knew she was choosing Josh - this whole mess would have been avoided. Andi should take some responsibility too - they are both not blameless.

Did she tell him this in the FS?  Because if I am not mistaken Steel2009 was talking about what was said the FS....

Obviously, none of us were there. I believe Nick said in an interview that she reassured him throughout the show and told him everything would be fine. If I'm telling someone I love them, and by contract they can't answer directly, but do tell me everything will be ok, I'm taking that to mean that that person feels the same about me. We all see things differently, and others might not feel the same and that's OK. Just stating my opinion.  

Per the bolded:
I have to laugh here and did so during the show when this was said. "fine". Fine for whom? And fine for whom when?   
It reminded me---and please have tolerance here because I can't remember the season I think it was HDDA(Handy Dandy Dr. Andy) or it could have been Brad 1.0--I just can't pinpoint it, but it was one or the other telling their F2 that "tomorrow was going to be a good day!" Really? A good day for whom??

Where the he77 do these mains come up with this stuff? I guess it was fine compared to a shark attack. I guess it was a good day compared to having a limb broken.

[stuckinsc]

Did she tell him this in the FS?  Because if I am not mistaken Steel2009 was talking about what was said the FS....

Obviously, none of us were there. I believe Nick said in an interview that she reassured him throughout the show and told him everything would be fine. If I'm telling someone I love them, and by contract they can't answer directly, but do tell me everything will be ok, I'm taking that to mean that that person feels the same about me. We all see things differently, and others might not feel the same and that's OK. Just stating my opinion.  

Per the bolded:
I have to laugh here and did so during the show when this was said. "fine". Fine for whom? And fine for whom when?   
It reminded me---and please have tolerance here because I can't remember the season I think it was HDDA(Handy Dandy Dr. Andy) or it could have been Brad 1.0--I just can't pinpoint it, but it was one or the other telling their  F2 that "tomorrow was going to be a good day!" Really? A good day for whom??

Where the he77 do these mains come up with this stuff? I guess it was fine compared to a shark attack. I guess it was a good day compared to having a limb broken.

Kasha, you crack me up.  Tomorrow was going to be a good day, was from Brad to DeAnna.  She repeated it again and again in the media rounds.   

Run Nick run.  As you said the other day TPTB is your box of ex-lax!

[Lucas15]

I don't have a problem with the sex part, but I do when both parties are not on the same page about it.

IMHO as long as the format of this show involves having a private overnight date between the lead and each of the final 3 contestants, it's impossible for both parties to be on the same page. They are in completely different situations; the contestant is in an exclusive relationship and the lead is not.

It takes two to tango as the expression goes and each is free to make their decision for themselves. On this show we've seen a lead who has made the decision not to have sex in the FS with anyone and at least one contestant who told the lead they were really not comfortable with that aspect of the FS, so freedom of choice clearly is available to both parties in the tango.

From my vantage point only, Andi has accepted the responsibility for her decision, explained it, and moved on with her life. Nick is still not there.

[Lucas15]

I have to laugh here and did so during the show when this was said. "fine". Fine for whom? And fine for whom when?   
It reminded me---and please have tolerance here because I can't remember the season I think it was HDDA(Handy Dandy Dr. Andy) or it could have been Brad 1.0--I just can't pinpoint it, but it was one or the other telling their  F2 that "tomorrow was going to be a good day!" Really? A good day for whom??

Where the he77 do these mains come up with this stuff? I guess it was fine compared to a shark attack. I guess it was a good day compared to having a limb broken.

I think that was what Brad said to DeAnna on his first show.

As to the bolded question about where they come up with this stuff, IMHO the producers write it all which is why we hear the same things said in similar situations season after season. All these phrases are ambiguous, like all the answers given by the Oracle at Delhpi; they mean what the listener wants them to mean to justify believing whatever they want to believe.

[Iam4UGA]

I don't have a problem with the sex part, but I do when both parties are not on the same page about it.

IMHO as long as the format of this show involves having a private overnight date between the lead and each of the final 3 contestants, it's impossible for both parties to be on the same page. They are in completely different situations; the contestant is in an exclusive relationship and the lead is not.

It takes two to tango as the expression goes and each is free to make their decision for themselves. On this show we've seen a lead who has made the decision not to have sex in the FS with anyone and at least one contestant who told the lead they were really not comfortable with that aspect of the FS, so freedom of choice clearly is available to both parties in the tango.

From my vantage point only, Andi has accepted the responsibility for her decision, explained it, and moved on with her life. Nick is still not there.

  

[murphy]

Ok, I have to come out of lurking. I‘ve read you all for years – and feel like I know many of you. I don’t know why I’ve never bothered to register. I go way back – Trista and Ryan. Only missed a few in between there. I have to borrow from the wise jlcaz - “I could have a friggin’ Phd in this show” (sadly).

But I can’t hold back anymore, because we FINALLY may really have had “the Most Dramatic ATFR Ever”. Here’s my take on what really happened to finally lead to the MDATFRE. But first, a little background, as I see it:

The show has evolved to become a potentially lucrative temporary career stint for beautiful twenty something’s. First, they must get cast as a member. Then, depending on how many fans they gather, and how far they go on the “journey”, they have a range of options when the show ends. At one end is simply becoming part of “Bachelor Nation”, which in itself leads to some paid appearances and sponsorships, to other paid opportunities like BIP, BP. At the other end, is the holy grail– lead of Bachelor/ette, and maybe someday, DWTS.

So what is the payoff for lead of Bach? Well, there’s base pay, perks, and “bonuses”. Perks are the free wardrobe and free travel. Base pay is whatever is the lead negotiates – we’ve heard between $50K – $250K. (Supposedly Andi was at the 50K end, Sean around $100K, and Emily $250K).
But the earning potential (sponsorships and appearances) in the two years after the show can be a real “bonus”. Depending on the appearance, venue, and the popularity of the couple, these can be $10,000 to $50,000 each. For comparison, Mike “the Situation” was paid around $50,000 for some appearances during the height of his popularity. Deanna, for one, alluded to the opportunities she and Jesse could have “cashed in on” had they stayed together.

Of course, if the happy couple makes it two years (or gets married), they get to keep the ring – usually valued around $100,000. Whether or not they find love it’s not a bad pay day for a couple of twenty somethings. Ahhh, but that’s the catch – in order to earn the “bonuses”, the couple must still be together, interesting, attractive, in looooove, and devoid of any scandal (*cough*sexting Jef and Emily).

The savvy Bach/ette is not looking for love – they are interviewing for a Public Relations and Business partner for a two year stint. If they find love during the “journey”, then all the better. But the wisest thing the Bach/ette can do is look for someone that is media friendly, will go the distance, and isn’t giving up more in their real career (*cough*Chris) that might favor quitting early if the going gets tough.

On that premise, Andi scored the top candidate. Josh is fun, attractive, appealing, part of a media savvy family. They look fantastic together. Distance isn’t an obstacle. They might even be on the path to love IRL. Really, it doesn’t get any better than this. I would venture to say Andi played the game perhaps better than any bachelorette before. Then Nick throws a wrench into the works at the eleventh hour. Oh, I’d be mad too.

As an attorney, from the moment Andi found out about the infamous “plane video”, she had to be furious. Because Andi would have understood that Nick’s balls were presently in the possession of TPTB, and now, anything could happen.

Yep. Andi was furious, when she came out on that stage. Over the past two months she had already seen how much leverage TPTB were exerting to get dramatic moments. (“ Andi, Nick is here at the MTA and we’d like to film him trying to meet with you to talk”, or “Andi, here’s a letter from Nick, written by us, and posted on our Facebook page”). She had to be wondering, how far will they take this?

And Yep, Nick was shaking when he came out on that stage– knowing he had to do what he was about to do – or be sued for a slam dunk breach. (“Nick, you spoiled the show’s dramatic ending via your breach of contract, which will cause us to lose viewership, and hence lose money. So, you are either going to pay us cash, or you are going to participate in creating a dramatic ending”).

And so finally, TPTB got the “MDATFRE”, Nick got a waiver on his $5 million breach of contract, Josh maneuvered expertly, and Andi discovered how very wise her choice was.

Having said all that, I like Nick as much as any previous contestant. I don’t believe the one sided edit. I think Nick did something stupid (plane video) not ever expecting it to get out. I think he paid the highest price (public denigration and humiliation), had no real choice, and handled the aftermath skillfully – which can only come from a genuine and decent place. I like Josh. I think he is affable, and kind, and charitable, and loving. Anyone would be lucky to have either of these guys as a cousin or brother or neighbor. I think Andi is an excellent reality tv actress, who played the part well, was mostly kind to the contestants (except Nick, at the end), and is very, smart. I think she had issues with being challenged, and a dangerously big ego – not unexpected for a young, beautiful woman with a TV show. We are all flawed.

In summary, I think they are all doing the best they can to play this game they got into, or live in this fishbowl they are in, if you prefer. I think the best thing for all of them, if they want to engender a positive “fan reaction” is bury the hatchet fast, and be openly kind to each other. Mean, nasty, or bitter doesn’t look good on anyone. I think Nick is the only one of the three who has done this well, subsequent to the MDATFRE.

[Norcalgal]

Wow - thanks for coming out of lurkdom! I've often speculated that the show paid the lead 'bonuses' for certain milestones - a believable ending, e.g, or even more titillating activities. Please say it ain't so! However, you've laid out a great argument for how the lead can really cash in - play the game, nicely, for ever after. I think Trista and Ryan set the bar very high, very early on and they are now masters at the game, er, I mean, show. Ashely and JP and Sean and Catherine must have learned from them as they have also benefitted handsomely.

So glad to hear you're a fan of Nick as I think he's one of the most real contestants we've seen. So wish Eric had lived to hear his take on all this - he probably wouldn't have lasted long in Andi's harem, anyway. He could see right through her!

[murphy]

Thanks Norcalgal! I would have loved to see the progression with Eric too - and I think he was definitely on Andi's radar as having huge potential to be well liked and a real asset on the post show appearance circuit. But Eric also the potential to outshine Andi, and when he showed himself as much too real to play the game, while challenging her, no less, he was gone. I think her real anger in that situation was knowing such a good candidate was out of the running.

I am a big fan of Nick's. I think she took him to F2 because he was a good back up plan. He was self assured enough to do well at the media rounds. He was a sales person - he could win people over and "sell" their story. He had a close and loving Midwestern family. Remember, at this point, she had no idea how bad of an edit he would be given. Andi may not have been sure if Nick would "play the game", but she knew he really did love her - and that alone would keep him in the game. But once she got her time alone from the cameras with Josh, which was after the Nick FS, and saw that Josh was all in, well, that was it.

I feel sorry for Nick - he really did get himself in a bind contractually, and heart broken too. I think he dropped that FS comment because he was forced to, and cannot admit that lest he wants another breach. And he is well versed now in how they can destroy him.

As a side note, I think the reason the bach announcement is stalled is because after seeing how freely TPTB will destroy and humiliate someone (stalker, pedophile? egad.) the current candidate(s) are negotiating details of their contract(s) much harder. I don't think any of the bach nation ever really thought those contracts would be enforced, for too many reasons to list. But they have just seen first hand how they can be used to beat someone bloody. And I don't think Andi ever imagined a scenario where someone would be forced to reveal what happened in the FS. I think a new low has been set by TPTB, and those in bach nation know it. Heck, Marquel took himself out of the running b/c he didn't want to put his family through it.

[sdmom]

Hi Murphy,   
I really enjoy your posts! Hope to read more from you.

[soccermom333]

Hi Murphy! Check your messages. ;)

[Sponsored content]