Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #7

[Iam4UGA]

I agree that Andi hasn't had a change of heart vis a vis JPG, but I think she's the exception and not the rule.  Lawyer lady doesn't like to be contradicted, maybe she'll see that about herself and learn from it.

It's actually surprising that she's still seemingly so down on JPG; isn't she friends with Nikki?   

Hi ironcat  

Not really at you specifically, but just addressing this topic in general:


You know it is possible ton just not like some people. Who is to say she *has* to "move on" and all of a sudden be BFF with JPG? If she deems him to be the kind of guy / person she just does not like, what is wring with that?

Same goes for Nick. She may realize he is totally not the guy she thought he was during the show. She has watched the episodes and saw how he behaved / what he said, and now everything after. Why is it so wrong to just really not like him?

There are plenty of people that I encounter in life that I just don't like. And you know what? That is perfectly ok!

[sbolduc]

I think the issue is that everyone, for the most part anyway, agrees that Nick's attitude towards sex, if real, is great, but is he for real or is he just doing it to shame Andi? I vote for the latter.

I believe we will have a better idea in the months to come, based on Nick's actions and potential tabloid stories, because I am sure they will pay well for a scorned lover of Nick.

Ironcat - I don't know Nick so I can't say for sure what his beliefs are, but in all his interviews he has never said that sex is meant for people in love, he has just said it needs to be respected. So to me it means he is okay with a hookup but as long as both people are in agreement that is what it is.

He hasn't "liked" (hit the actual button) a lot of articles on twitter that people have sent him but he liked this one yesterday which might indicate further his thoughts on everything:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/emilyk45a3df968/defending-nick-viall-or-the-guy-who-the-bachelo-wbzn

[GuardianAngel]

In Billy Bush's interview, Nick said this isn't about Andi and Josh's relationship, its about his and Andi's at the time. IMO, Whether he previously had sex with 3 girls or 30 girls, the point he his is making is it's a meaningful act to him.

Comparing his 3 relationships in the past, to Josh's zero in 5 yrs IMO is not the point and is not comparable to anything related to Nicks POV.

I never questioned Josh's lack of relationships in the last 5 yrs because I give him credit for not rolling in the hay with just anyone, if in fact that's how it's been for him.

[Cari]

I guess I read Nick's piece differently. I am not naive enough to believe he has only had sex with three women, I don't. I fully believe he has had casual sex.

I took his take to be sex is okay and nothing to be ashamed of, but it should be respected, and when two people aren't on the same page as to what sex means to each of them it can be harmful. He never once said that sex is meant for people in love, not once. He said it should be respected. IMO there is a difference.

That's how I read it also, but I was just responding to the morality issue that was being raised......

I think the issue is that everyone, for the most part anyway, agrees that Nick's attitude towards sex, if real, is great,

but is he for real or is he just doing it to shame Andi? I vote for the latter.

  

As i said in my fictitious letter, Nick have already explained why he made the statement in his media rounds. Admitted even that he should have worded it differently....

Does Nick mean he probably should have used let's say, "why were you intimate with me?" instead of "making love"

or any statement that would be less Sl** Shaming sounding, right?

AND YET!

in his blogpost, Nick dissected his statement, "making love", piece by piece,   

as if a lecture on what sex between two people should be. A hermeneutics of sorts explicitly using Andi's name, his hurt in detail. Burying the dagger even deeper. If for one moment i allow myself to think it is not Nick who wrote it, it is as if the "writer" is "lecturing" the other party.

But this is Nick who was tagged as a strategizer.

Tagged as fake. And now 'lectures' on the sacredness of the union in THE Fantasy Suite.   

It comes out as self-righteous. And i am being kind.

As i said previously, i gave him a pass at the AFTR as "a slip up." Fine.

But the blogpost is a calculating last ditch attempt to bury his hatchet unfortunately in Andi's heart and her F1.   

Then had the audacity to say at the same breath after lengthily shaming Andi,

Let me say this: don’t shame Andi to support me.

McSalty rubbing more salt to the injury claims,

Also, I want to emphasize that I wish Andi and Josh all the best.

Slow clap, Nick, slow clap!   

If not for dear Arie, i am praying Nick is the Next Bachelor. Payback time!

[GuardianAngel]

If not for dear Arie, i am praying Nick is the Next Bachelor. Payback time!

I'm ashamed to say this, but I tweeted Andi, the night of JPG's ATFR after she tweeted the infamous "ess okay", "just wait till the shoe is on the other foot". I had enough of her rudeness by that time, and that tweet was the final straw.

[Cari]

If not for dear Arie, i am praying Nick is the Next Bachelor. Payback time!

I'm ashamed to say this, but I tweeted Andi, the night of JPG's ATFR after she tweeted the infamous "ess okay", "just wait till the shoe is on the other foot". I had enough of her rudeness by that time, and that tweet was the final straw.

Guess what, GA! *highfives*

I will not forget Deanna admitting to Brad how difficult it was to be a Lead. In fact, understood Brad when she was the bachelorette.

I honestly din't like Andi at JuanPab. I was a Sharleen fan. And a huge supporter of JuanPab and Nikki.

And i am glad Andi in one of her post-interviews say she should have done things differently in JuanPab's season! Hence, i want Nick to be the next Lead! Though i love Arie so much!   

[Cecilia]

This would be amazing!
http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/nick-viall-next-bachelor-bachelorette-runner-up-a-top-contender-201488

[GuardianAngel]

I would like to see Nick given a chance to be the lead as well, although I do love the idea of Arie being TB.

I think it will be a different season with Nick. It will give him a chance to show viewers the type of guy he really is. IMO it's one who is honest, humble, and true to his word. It will be a challenge as it is for any lead, but I have a hunch regardless of what RS says, this might be a possibility. A few too many clues are making me think it might happen.

[Cecilia]

I would like to see Nick given a chance to be the lead as well, although I do love the idea of Arie being TB.

I think it will be a different season with Nick. It will give him a chance to show viewers the type of guy he really is. IMO it's one who is honest, humble, and true to his word. It will be a challenge as it is for any lead, but I have a hunch regardless of what RS says, this might be a possibility. A few too many clues are making me think it might happen.

It would be amazing!! I never like who they choose for the Bachelor, although Sean turned out well. I pick Arie over Chris but not bc I am a huge Arie fan.

[luvlady345]

I don't believe any of what St. Nick is spewing because every person is different even within a relationship and sex is different for everyone just because I am in a relationship with someone doesn't mean we view sex the same or have the same understanding so really for me all this pile of bull that Nick is saying to sl** shame Andi again imo.....

[Alanna]

This would be amazing!
http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/nick-viall-next-bachelor-bachelorette-runner-up-a-top-contender-201488

I don't think this is true, just gossip.

If it though, I think he'll be slaughtered. He was easily the most-messed with contestant in recent memory imo. I'll be honest, I'll laugh when his f2 goes psychopants on him though. So I can only hope this comes to fruition for my own entertainment, I guess.

[stuckinsc]

^^ I think it was a day after Nick was on E!, so probably July 30th

I can't find the video but an article referring what Ali said "After the interview, Ali defended Nick saying he was truly heartbroken.  “I almost started crying…he genuinely seemed hurt,” Ali told her E! co-hosts.  She went on to say that Nick wanted to talk to Andi privately, but the producers didn’t allow it because they want the drama on TV.  But this former Bachelorette also defended Andi Dorfman saying, “there is nothing wrong with Andi sleeping with more than one guy, it doesn’t make her a sl**.”

If this is all that was said it's only confirming that Andi and Nick only could have their talk in front of cameras, nothing else. I'll keep searching.

Glow the next day on E! Ali said that she had talked to Andi on the phone and that Andi claimed Nick never tried to reach out to her.  She said that bachelorette's have each others backs.

It was the day after Ali interviewed Nick.

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