Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #7

[Mustang19]

If sex is so meaningful to him, why didn't Nick just say "NO" in the FS??  Especially knowing there are still 2 guys in the picture and not knowing for certain how Andi feels about him?  Has Nick taken a little bit of the responsibility for his part in FS?  

I admit I have not seen or read all his interviews but it seems he continues to act as the victim who told Andi how sex is "so special to him" and yet Andi still jumped his bones.   Has he said in any of the interviews that "maybe we BOTH got carried away and looking back, I should have said no not knowing 100%  she's in love with me"?

Because she reassured him and told him that everything would be ok. I would take that to mean I'm F1. And to turn it around, why didn't Andi say no when she knew she was choosing Josh - this whole mess would have been avoided. Andi should take some responsibility too - they are both not blameless.

[whit90]

I don't think anyone here has been absolutely awful to Nick. I've seen people questions his actions that took place during the season and during the ATFR. In my opinion, no one here has fully stated that Nick is just a horrible guy with nothing good going for him. From the little that we know, I'm sure he's a good guy!

People just think some of his actions have been pretty crappy and I certainly think it's a valid argument to make and discuss.

With all due respect don't you think it has been discussed enough? By reading the post it just seems like posters are saying the same thing over and over. Some of the posters not you have wished harm to Nick is that OK ?

[Ash2214]

I don't think anyone here has been absolutely awful to Nick. I've seen people questions his actions that took place during the season and during the ATFR. In my opinion, no one here has fully stated that Nick is just a horrible guy with nothing good going for him. From the little that we know, I'm sure he's a good guy!

People just think some of his actions have been pretty crappy and I certainly think it's a valid argument to make and discuss.

With all due respect don't you think it has been discussed enough? By reading the post it just seems like posters are saying the same thing over and over. Some of the posters not you have wished harm to Nick is that OK ?

From what I saw, it was dropped mostly. Posters were speaking about other things such as Nick's Twitter. This only got brought up again because Nick rehashed the whole ATFR and sex thing again by writing a guest blog on Sean's blog and Nick has favorited and retweeted other publications that have talked about his words. While I understand and agree with what Nick was saying in his blog to a certain extent, it did bring it up again more prominently.

Really? I haven't seen anyone here wish harm to Nick. You saw those posts here? I certainly haven't unless they get deleted very quickly.

[Guest]

If sex is so meaningful to him, why didn't Nick just say "NO" in the FS??  Especially knowing there are still 2 guys in the picture and not knowing for certain how Andi feels about him?  Has Nick taken a little bit of the responsibility for his part in FS?  

I admit I have not seen or read all his interviews but it seems he continues to act as the victim who told Andi how sex is "so special to him" and yet Andi still jumped his bones.   Has he said in any of the interviews that "maybe we BOTH got carried away and looking back, I should have said no not knowing 100%  she's in love with me"?

Not that I've heard.

Here's a thought I've had that I haven't heard anyone suggest. Many seem to attach some blame to Andi for "being intimate" with Nick when she knew she was in love with Josh and that she needed to make sure she was on the same page as Nick was. But no one seems to consider that maybe she wasn't certain what page she was really on. Andi has said that it wasn't until she realized (after her FD with Josh and they were chatting over a bottle of wine) that she was with her best friend and someone she could talk to about anything - and that clarified for her that the feelings she had been feeling all along for Josh were love.

Is it not also possible that hearing Nick's words that being intimate with someone you love is "making love" and is a different experience than simply having sex suddenly came into focus for Andi after she had been intimate with both? Is it not possible that it wasn't just realizing that Josh was her best friend but also that intimacy with him was vastly different than her experience with Nick - or anyone else she had ever known - and it defined "making love"? Is it impossible to consider that Andi actually tried to give her relationship with Nick every possible chance to be the right one for her and (unfortunately for Nick) she learned what was right for her and it just wasn't Nick?

ITA!! Great post!

[Guest]

If sex is so meaningful to him, why didn't Nick just say "NO" in the FS??  Especially knowing there are still 2 guys in the picture and not knowing for certain how Andi feels about him?  Has Nick taken a little bit of the responsibility for his part in FS?  

I admit I have not seen or read all his interviews but it seems he continues to act as the victim who told Andi how sex is "so special to him" and yet Andi still jumped his bones.   Has he said in any of the interviews that "maybe we BOTH got carried away and looking back, I should have said no not knowing 100%  she's in love with me"?

Because she reassured him and told him that everything would be ok. I would take that to mean I'm F1. And to turn it around, why didn't Andi say no when she knew she was choosing Josh - this whole mess would have been avoided. Andi should take some responsibility too - they are both not blameless.

Really? I would take that to mean, "what ever happens, everything will be ok"...

[Guest]

Oh, yes Nick indeed ask his supporters not to shame Andi  

Let me say this: don’t shame Andi to support me.

Oh, yes indeed Nick was complimentary to Josh and Andi  

Also, I want to emphasize that I wish Andi and Josh all the best.

ONLY After paragraphs of a long expository piece of why he asked Andi why "make love" to her when she would be engaged to another man a few days after.

Complimentary of Andi? When his blogpost courts people to shame Andi more for sleeping with Nick when she "fully" knows I loved her?

Complimentary of Andi? when the whole post is about why one should not have sex when you are not on the same page. As of last time, it was Andi he slept with.

It comes across to me as blasting Andi for what she did to him.

THEN all we will see in the blogpost is how Nick was even complimentary to Andi and Josh?

  

Great post-Thank you!!!!   

[luvlady345]

If sex is so meaningful to him, why didn't Nick just say "NO" in the FS??  Especially knowing there are still 2 guys in the picture and not knowing for certain how Andi feels about him?  Has Nick taken a little bit of the responsibility for his part in FS?  

I admit I have not seen or read all his interviews but it seems he continues to act as the victim who told Andi how sex is "so special to him" and yet Andi still jumped his bones.   Has he said in any of the interviews that "maybe we BOTH got carried away and looking back, I should have said no not knowing 100%  she's in love with me"?

Because she reassured him and told him that everything would be ok. I would take that to mean I'm F1. And to turn it around, why didn't Andi say no when she knew she was choosing Josh - this whole mess would have been avoided. Andi should take some responsibility too - they are both not blameless.

Did she tell him this in the FS? Because if I am not mistaken Steel2009 was talking about what was said the FS....

[ironcat]

Mustang, some of us don't think Andi knew she was in love with Josh when she slept with Nick. Believe her or not, but she has said she didn't know, in a few interviews.

[whit90]

I don't think anyone here has been absolutely awful to Nick. I've seen people questions his actions that took place during the season and during the ATFR. In my opinion, no one here has fully stated that Nick is just a horrible guy with nothing good going for him. From the little that we know, I'm sure he's a good guy!

People just think some of his actions have been pretty crappy and I certainly think it's a valid argument to make and discuss.

With all due respect don't you think it has been discussed enough? By reading the post it just seems like posters are saying the same thing over and over. Some of the posters not you have wished harm to Nick is that OK ?

From what I saw, it was dropped mostly. Posters were speaking about other things such as Nick's Twitter. This only got brought up again because Nick rehashed the whole ATFR and sex thing again by writing a guest blog on Sean's blog and Nick has favorited and retweeted other publications that have talked about his words. While I understand and agree with what Nick was saying in his blog to a certain extent, it did bring it up again more prominently.

Really? I haven't seen anyone here wish harm to Nick. You saw those posts here? I certainly haven't unless they get deleted very quickly.  

Yes I have seen a couple of posters that have wished him harm they have been doing it almost the the entire season. As far a Nicks blog wasn't it probably Sean who asked him to be part of it ? I do not see him seeking fame for this just a guy who is very honest with his emotions. It seems to me he was asked for some reason to do media rounds and and probably due to his contract had to do them. I also wanted to say that I also do not agree with the negative comments on Andi either . I am not a Andi fan but do keep my opinion about her to myself.

[GuardianAngel]

I would like to see Nick given a chance to be the lead as well, although I do love the idea of Arie being TB.

I think it will be a different season with Nick. It will give him a chance to show viewers the type of guy he really is. IMO it's one who is honest, humble, and true to his word. It will be a challenge as it is for any lead, but I have a hunch regardless of what RS says, this might be a possibility. A few too many clues are making me think it might happen.

My beloved GA, don't take my question as a personal attack, ok but on what episode did you see Nick as humble?

Because in the unspoiled thread, I transcribed Episode 6 and 7's Nick parts with Andi & with the guys and it is anything BUT humble!  

And in one of the last pages in Nick Discussion Thread 6, I posted Nick's ITM, he was boasting and implying that the guys would like to be him,

They'd like to be...

They'd want to be..

“they don’t matter…”

then confidently adds,

at this point, I feel like it’s me and there’s no one else. There’s no second. There’s no third."

Are we watching the same Nick?  

Because that does not sound humble to me...

No offense taken whatsoever! I'm talking about the unscripted Nick, post show, where he has shown himself to be very humble, eg BB asking him to go on BIP, in another interview talking about getting used to being recognized, tweets back and forth to the other guys, and all the other things discussed in his Fan thread. The people who don't care for him, IMO don't know him outside the season. Maybe they do and still don't like him, but I think he's a sweet guy. I'm glad he has brought this out to the forefront. Maybe this will set a presidence on how far the lead should go to "trick" the F2. If there was no intimacy in the FS I would feel completely different if he took the actions he did post show. For him to be the one to say no to Andi is totally unfair IMO. He's in a position where he believes he's the F1, she knows he's not. She must have continued with the facade in the FS to go that far.

Mustang, some of us don't think Andi knew she was in love with Josh when she slept with Nick.  Believe her or not, but she has said she didn't know, in a few interviews.

I'm one who doesn't believe it. Especially knowing they have been in the same bar, twice, before filming started. I find it hard to believe she didn't know who he was, or didn't google him. She saw him, but couldn't talk to him, he was casting, her words not mine. Her father following Aaron, the Murray's are well known, she knew more about him prior to the show then we think IMO.

For her to go into the FS that late in the season, and not know Josh was the F1 because she wasn't sure if he was like all the other jock's is bs and scripted IMO and an excuse for what happened in FS1. The lead is always not sure for one reason or another, that was her reason.

There was no airplane vid at the time. They had a spoiled season, from day one. Friends family, it was a free for all on SM.   

Hy at the M&G saying there were five Josh's. Why would he say that if he wasn't told to look out for Josh? They needed the F2 to have his heart ripped out like no other F2 for the drama at the ATFR, and beyond, which is working. This is the way I see it. I don't care for her, I never did, one thing's for sure, I knew she'd be a great lead because we wouldn't know if she's acting or not. She got the job done for them. They otoh reward her with ATFR drama that was over 30 minutes with Nick rather than focusing on the happy couple.

I feel Nick had every right to question her. There's no way he was able to contact her on his own. TPTB would never allow him to contact her unless they had a new storyboard all set up.

Mission accomplished, however she messed with the wrong guy. I give him a lot of credit for standing up for himself. He continues to be in the media. Sean's blog, media rounds, Billy Bush's video just released yesterday, who's keeping him in the media?

As I posted somewhere here, at the end of JPG's season, I tweeted her and said "wait till the shoe is on the other foot". Nick otoh has never said anything derogatory against Andi, or anyone else, unlike some other F2's or even F3 Andi herself towards the leads in their season.   

I want him to be the bachelor, simply because I want to see how he handles his season, compared to Andi who threw her head back in lust more than once then dumped his butt as if it was his fault, and was disgusted by the sight of him at the ATFR. Only then we'll see the difference in morals that they each have.

This is one of those season's we will be referencing back to for quite some time, just the way MF likes it!   

[stuckinsc]

So I am one of the few who were fans of both Nick and Josh all season. I am facebook friends with the mothers of both.

While we spend hours discussing Nick, I ask all to please think a happy thought or say a prayer for the Vialls. Momma Viall has been very silent all through the finale and post show. As we all know, her brother passed this week. She is back posting on FB and her words are very sweet and painful to read. She obviously loved her brother and her posts paint the picture of a wonderful man.

Her FB account is not public and as such I don't feel comfortable bringing her words here, but they are sweet and sad and poignant.

Can we all today as we discuss Nick take a moment to have kindness to his family and in particular his mother who lost someone who she loved so very much.

Thank you!

[whit90]

My heart and prayers go out to the Vialis family. RIP Mark .   

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