Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #7

[stuckinsc]

I am taking the rest of the day off from this.

I feel both Nick and Andi made mistakes.  I don't blame Andi, she was a human reacting in the moment.

It seems that some hate Nick and yes, to me some of these posts have gone beyond dislike to hate, but everyone is entitled to their own feelings and opinions.

I hope that those who are still so upset with Nick will forgive that I do like Nick as much as you enjoy Josh and Andi, so I want to keep up with him and don't want him to just crawl under the rock.

[Ash2214]

Wow! You guys really spend a lot of time talking about how much you dislike Nick! Am I not allowed to say that?

Hey, that's what this board is for. We are all able to post our opinions as long as they're in the rules. It's just like how you spend so much time talking about how you like Nick. Or previously, like how many people talked about how much they disliked Josh and Andi while the season was airing.

[luvlady345]

Wow! You guys really spend a lot of time talking about how much you dislike Nick! Am I not allowed to say that?

Of course per the MODs all opinions are welcome in this thread....

[Lucas15]

If sex is so meaningful to him, why didn't Nick just say "NO" in the FS??  Especially knowing there are still 2 guys in the picture and not knowing for certain how Andi feels about him?  Has Nick taken a little bit of the responsibility for his part in FS?  

I admit I have not seen or read all his interviews but it seems he continues to act as the victim who told Andi how sex is "so special to him" and yet Andi still jumped his bones.   Has he said in any of the interviews that "maybe we BOTH got carried away and looking back, I should have said no not knowing 100%  she's in love with me"?

Not that I've heard.

Here's a thought I've had that I haven't heard anyone suggest. Many seem to attach some blame to Andi for "being intimate" with Nick when she knew she was in love with Josh and that she needed to make sure she was on the same page as Nick was. But no one seems to consider that maybe she wasn't certain what page she was really on. Andi has said that it wasn't until she realized (after her FD with Josh and they were chatting over a bottle of wine) that she was with her best friend and someone she could talk to about anything - and that clarified for her that the feelings she had been feeling all along for Josh were love.

Is it not also possible that hearing Nick's words that being intimate with someone you love is "making love" and is a different experience than simply having sex suddenly came into focus for Andi after she had been intimate with both? Is it not possible that it wasn't just realizing that Josh was her best friend but also that intimacy with him was vastly different than her experience with Nick - or anyone else she had ever known - and it defined "making love"? Is it impossible to consider that Andi actually tried to give her relationship with Nick every possible chance to be the right one for her and (unfortunately for Nick) she learned what was right for her and it just wasn't Nick?

[Cari]

Oh, yes Nick indeed ask his supporters not to shame Andi  

Let me say this: don’t shame Andi to support me.

Oh, yes indeed Nick was complimentary to Josh and Andi  

Also, I want to emphasize that I wish Andi and Josh all the best.

ONLY After paragraphs of a long expository piece of why he asked Andi why "make love" to her when she would be engaged to another man a few days after.

Complimentary of Andi? When his blogpost courts people to shame Andi more for sleeping with Nick when she "fully" knows I loved her?

Complimentary of Andi? when the whole post is about why one should not have sex when you are not on the same page. As of last time, it was Andi he slept with.

It comes across to me as blasting Andi for what she did to him.

THEN all we will see in the blogpost is how Nick was even complimentary to Andi and Josh?

  

[Cecilia]

Wow! You guys really spend a lot of time talking about how much you dislike Nick! Am I not allowed to say that?

Hey, that's what this board is for. We are all able to post our opinions as long as they're in the rules. It's just like how you spend so much time talking about how you like Nick. Or previously, like how many people talked about how much they disliked Josh and Andi while the season was airing.

I never spend a lot of time on this board talking about how much I dislike contestants actually. Have at it though.

[Ash2214]

Wow! You guys really spend a lot of time talking about how much you dislike Nick! Am I not allowed to say that?

Hey, that's what this board is for. We are all able to post our opinions as long as they're in the rules. It's just like how you spend so much time talking about how you like Nick. Or previously, like how many people talked about how much they disliked Josh and Andi while the season was airing.

I never spend a lot of time on this board talking about how much I dislike contestants actually.  Have at it though.

I didn't say you personally spent time hating on Josh or Andi, I said people have. It's not just one specific group hating on the other. It's been like this all season long coming from various angles. It's the way it goes. I just don't get too worked up about someone bashing Josh. It's their opinion.

[Cari]

I can't find the video but an article referring what Ali said "After the interview, Ali defended Nick saying he was truly heartbroken.  “I almost started crying…he genuinely seemed hurt,” Ali told her E! co-hosts.  She went on to say that Nick wanted to talk to Andi privately, but the producers didn’t allow it because they want the drama on TV.  But this former Bachelorette also defended Andi Dorfman saying, “there is nothing wrong with Andi sleeping with more than one guy, it doesn’t make her a sl**.”

If this is all that was said it's only confirming that Andi and Nick only could have their talk in front of cameras, nothing else. I'll keep searching.

Glow the next day on E! Ali said that she had talked to Andi on the phone and that Andi claimed Nick never tried to reach out to her.  She said that bachelorette's have each others backs.

It was the day after Ali interviewed Nick.

Thank you , then I don't need to search anymore. I thought it was an interview where I actually could hear Andi saying it herself. I don't give
it much credit if it was only Ali stating it.

Thank you for this because upthread I forgot who, someone posted that Andi was upset that the spotlight is on Nick. Upset enough that Andi calls Ali. So Ali said she talked to Andi. NOT Andi called her. Clear. thanks!

[Guest]

I am taking the rest of the day off from this.

I feel both Nick and Andi made mistakes.  I don't blame Andi, she was a human reacting in the moment.

It seems that some hate Nick and yes, to me some of these posts have gone beyond dislike to hate, but everyone is entitled to their own feelings and opinions.

I hope that those who are still so upset with Nick will forgive that I do like Nick as much as you enjoy Josh and Andi, so I want to keep up with him and don't want him to just crawl under the rock.

I think it is important to be able to separate a person from his/her behavior. I can only speak for myself, but I don't hate Nick. How could I hate a person that I don't know? He hasn't done anything to hurt me. BUT I can't just sit back and accept his behavior past show, because I think he is way out of line and should stop blaming others for his feelings and take responsibility for his actions. He is 33 years old but behaves like someone much, much, much younger. JMHO

[Cari]

Wow! You guys really spend a lot of time talking about how much you dislike Nick! Am I not allowed to say that?

Hey, that's what this board is for. We are all able to post our opinions as long as they're in the rules. It's just like how you spend so much time talking about how you like Nick. Or previously, like how many people talked about how much they disliked Josh and Andi while the season was airing.

I never spend a lot of time on this board talking about how much I dislike contestants actually.  Have at it though.

   Guilty as charged!    But I only "defend" my "team" as others have been defending their team. As I told GA, it is all good! Because only the discussion is heated. The animosity is NOT toward each of us. And yes, we can all be in the same team next season just like us in the Unspoiled Thread!   

[luvlady345]

I don't hate Nick or anyone for that matter known or unknown to me but I do dislike him based on what has happen after the show.....

[Ash2214]

I don't think anyone here has been absolutely awful to Nick. I've seen people questions his actions that took place during the season and during the ATFR. In my opinion, no one here has fully stated that Nick is just a horrible guy with nothing good going for him. From the little that we know, I'm sure he's a good guy!

People just think some of his actions have been pretty crappy and I certainly think it's a valid argument to make and discuss.

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