Andi Dorfman & Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 - General Discussion

I don't have difficulty reading anything negative about josh and Andi.  There is and was plenty of that.   I have difficulty reading/seeing posters "fight" and argue over petty stuff.   I guess if it stays open those who are fans can choose to read or not.  I choose to read and then will defend them if I feel necessary.  Hope everyone remains respectful.

Can I just say I can't wait for Chris's season to start!!!

soccermom333 wrote:Wow!  All the fighting between members.  Yikes.  This place is becoming not good and not fun!   Maybe time to close this thread!   I want to comment but will refrain.  Andi and josh are happy living life!   All of the bachelor couples will be at their wedding supporting them and partying w them.  THEY are all family!   Think about that.  

I agree--the bolded. All of the TB couples (except for one) always support each other because they're family now, even a dysfunctional one, still family! All the arguing back and forth all coming from fans, not from the couples.

I'm still a fan of JODI and wish them nothing but the best. And nobody is perfect, including me. We are still human ( the last time I checked!)

Alanna wrote:

nannymargie wrote:I just checked MM timeline on face book.  There is not one picture of Andi and Josh together.  There are plenty of Aaron and Kacie and Stephanie and Chandler.  She does have the video Josh did for Advocare.

I did find the pictures in an album she had.

That cannot be right, she's posted a lot of pics from their charity events and other adventures. I think mm is kind of stuck in the middle because she seems pretty neutral to me so far, other than genuinely being friends with Kacie and not knowing Andi as well. I wonder if she'll post pics of them from tonight, I guess if Josh didn't call her yesterday, she probably won't post anything.

Well if someone wants to check it out to make sure I am right that is ok with me. I would love to be wrong.To me she also deleted some of the
pictures but I could be wrong on this one.

ReneeM wrote:Am I the only one who's super uncomfortable with this topic? and it has nothing to do with being a fan of Andi and Josh but I just think whatever issues they're having with their families are private, regardless of being a public figure or not. I only recently started coming to the forum after Andi's season so I don't know what kind of speculation other couples went through about their families but families are so complicated and personal and we'll probably never know what really went down, if something went down I think speculating and assigning blame is unfair.

I have an older brother who I am very close with and consider to be one of my best friends and I unfollowed him on twitter a few months back simply because his tweets cluttered my timeline. He's still one of my best friends and I still talk to him practically every day. Just not on SM. Just an example of how SM doesn't paint a complete picture

Some people don't like Andi, fine. Not a fan of Josh, also fine. But to put it in perspective, just remember we only see a small portion of what goes on off camera so think in this issue, we should tread carefully and reserve judgement.

Thank you! I so agree. ALL of the Murrays seem to be very happy right now. Honestly if there was such serious drama going on in the family I don't think Momma Murray, or any of the kids would appear so happy. Their sadness would show through, especially for MM. The only hint that something is awry here is the fact that there have been some unfollows on SM and a lack of publicly announcing congratulations and birthday wishes. I know that because this is a public family that these things should be acknowledged by all members publicly, but WHY? For the benefit of the fans? This is a family that apparently uses snapchat and facetime A LOT! SM is more for the masses. Close families don't need to show their love and support for each other this way. They can in addition to doing it privately, but again that is all for show.

LOL, it doesn't get overheated to me.... But for me it's like before you click on this thread you know who said what, so I mainly just skip over those and don't read it, but if I feel like engaging I will... It goes both ways the non fans don't like the defending either so I guess you can say it gets overheated from both the fans and the non fans in the discussion to be fair.

As someone who has posted in here quite a bit today, I'm not fighting or arguing. I'm respectfully stating my opinion just like the opposition is. I have no issue with it.

IMO and in conclusion, I don't find Andi to be the nicest person. I'm not shocked fans have found her rude and I expect we will hear more of that. Josh unfollowing his family is petty and immature. He should handle any issues privately instead of lashing out on social media like a teenage girl.

And scene.

umngirl wrote:As someone who has posted in here quite a bit today, I'm not fighting or arguing. I'm respectfully stating my opinion just like the opposition is. I have no issue with it.

IMO and in conclusion, I don't find Andi to be the nicest person. I'm not shocked fans have found her rude and I expect we will hear more of that. Josh unfollowing his family is petty and immature. He should handle any issues privately instead of lashing out on social media like a teenage girl.

And scene.

How do you feel about MM removing all pictures of her other son and his fiance' from her timeline? Just wondering.

nannymargie wrote:

umngirl wrote:As someone who has posted in here quite a bit today, I'm not fighting or arguing. I'm respectfully stating my opinion just like the opposition is. I have no issue with it.

IMO and in conclusion, I don't find Andi to be the nicest person. I'm not shocked fans have found her rude and I expect we will hear more of that. Josh unfollowing his family is petty and immature. He should handle any issues privately instead of lashing out on social media like a teenage girl.

And scene.

How do you feel about MM removing all pictures of her other son and his fiance' from her timeline?  Just wondering.

She didn't remove them, the last one was September 30th when they were at Eric and Jessie's party. I think Josh defriended her around this time actually.

timfan wrote:They are just probably tired of every were they go they have to stop to take pictures they are not actors or singers yes they appeared on tv but when does it stop maybe they figure if they say no sometimes people will stop asking then they can get on with living there life

It will stop when they stop posting themselves all over SM. The less you post yourself the less others will ask for your pictures. It is that simple. And Andi went on tv twice, not once and realized it was too overwhelming but twice.

As for our speculation, Josh used to post to his family on SM all the time, that was his choice of how to do things. So when he changes how he is doing things we can speculate. Changes in behavior usually signify something.

Don't respect unfollowing his mom. As I have said, this is a particularly difficult time for MM, I am disappointed to see her oldest son cut her off in anyway. Over stupid silly things.

GuardianAngel wrote:

mindless wrote:
WORD. I don't even like Andi and Josh, yet I still wouldn't feel comfortable making assumptions about their family matters based on some unfollows. I agree that it seems there's something off, but we really have no idea what, so what is the point of speculating? Going over every family member's mistakes and personality flaws in order to figure out who's to blame... It's just disrespectful IMHO. Far be it from me to tell others what to post, but if you call yourself a fan of these people, then shouldn't you be respectful of all their loved ones? At least until there's a concrete reason not to be. Innocent until proven guilty and so on. What's worse is that we know for a fact someone in the family reads these forums.

That's what the Fan threads are for. this is a discussion thread, and therefore discussions speculation positive or negative take place in this thread.

Regardless of who reads this board, opinions are always welcome as long as they are within the rules.

I haven't been to the fan thread in a while, since I'm not a fan, but according to some posts here the criticising family members has been going on in the fan thread as well. That's what I don't get. If I like someone, then I'm not gonna say bad things about their family members based on some figments of imagination, which this whole Kacie/Andi feud seems like to me at the moment. Like I said, it's not my intention to tell people what to post, I'd just encourage everyone who cares about this couple to consider if they might be overstepping some boundaries. Discussing things we actually know about and sharing negative as well as positive opinions on them is one thing, but making assumptions and then forming opinions based on those assumptions is another. Some things are private for a reason. But that's just my opinion and of course everyone's free to post what they like, if they have no reservations about it.

Alanna wrote:

nannymargie wrote:I just checked MM timeline on face book.  There is not one picture of Andi and Josh together.  There are plenty of Aaron and Kacie and Stephanie and Chandler.  She does have the video Josh did for Advocare.

I did find the pictures in an album she had.

That cannot be right, she's posted a lot of pics from their charity events and other adventures. I think mm is kind of stuck in the middle because she seems pretty neutral to me so far, other than genuinely being friends with Kacie and not knowing Andi as well. I wonder if she'll post pics of them from tonight, I guess if Josh didn't call her yesterday, she probably won't post anything.

They are all still there, NannyMargie. No worries! If you scroll down farther on her timeline there comes a spot where it only shows Highlights. You can click "all stories" and all the older posts show up including Josh and Andi at the Decker event, UGA game, Pong Pong Challenge etc. She didn't delete anything, FB just can be tricky when looking at older posts on the timeline. They get condensed. Hope this makes you feel better!

Alanna wrote:

nannymargie wrote:

umngirl wrote:As someone who has posted in here quite a bit today, I'm not fighting or arguing. I'm respectfully stating my opinion just like the opposition is. I have no issue with it.

IMO and in conclusion, I don't find Andi to be the nicest person. I'm not shocked fans have found her rude and I expect we will hear more of that. Josh unfollowing his family is petty and immature. He should handle any issues privately instead of lashing out on social media like a teenage girl.

And scene.

How do you feel about MM removing all pictures of her other son and his fiance' from her timeline?  Just wondering.

She didn't remove them, the last one was September 30th when they were at Eric and Jessie's party. I think Josh defriended her around this time actually.

I do not see it on her timeline but in an album.