Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 10 - MTP-LCD-FRC- July 28/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* #2 - Discussion

My post referred to past and present .. Not future...

Piper61 wrote:Josh isn't going anywhere, and while Nick is still making the media rounds, Josh and Andi are at the mall shopping....looking every day normal, relaxed and adorable.  

What media rounds is Nick making today ? So as soon as they get home they go to the mall one of the busiest places to go hmmmm.

whit90 wrote:

Piper61 wrote:Josh isn't going anywhere, and while Nick is still making the media rounds, Josh and Andi are at the mall shopping....looking every day normal, relaxed and adorable.  

What media rounds is Nick making today ? So as soon as they get home they go to the mall one of the busiest places to go hmmmm.  

Nick was on GMA.  As for the mall it didn't appear to be packed, but it is a completely normal thing to do.  Just as walking the dog last night was.  Maybe they went to pick something up for their families who are meeting up tonight and get a bite to eat at the Cheesecake factory.

isittrue wrote:
Maybe if she had not spent all her time giving all the reassurances during the sneak-out, sleeping with him during FD and all her hints to be confident and questions about a potential life in Chicago during the LCD, he would have gotten the message sooner???    

Why yes, I believe he would!  

MeandI learned from his family on the HTD how hurt Nick had been by previous breakups and how difficult it was for him to recover.  She discussed it with him on at least two occasions that we saw on the show.  Yet she was still intimate with him in the FS.  She still dumped him without answering his question about Josh.  She still refused to  talk to him when TPTB brought him to the MTA taping.  She still played the former a.d.a. harda** role when she strolled on stage at the ATFR show.  

So glad that Nick won't have a lifetime of MeandI and the head games she said she like to play.

Lucas15 wrote:

Tnmomof4 wrote:I think she appeared so "cold" because she didn't want to give him any hope that there was a chance that she'd change her mind.  He was so adamant that Josh was wrong for her.  Not to say that she  was right but I can certainly understand it.  I know I've been there.  You break up nicely but every overture of "nice" brings hope so you have to rebreak their heart.  Sometimes being cold is the nicest thing you can do to help someone have closure and move on.  Makes me think of the Dumb and Dumber line (I'm not equating Nick with them!) "So you're saying there's a chance?" in response to the girl saying "there's a 1 in a million chance I'd go out with you." (or something like that.

I think so also and I think in this particular case the more empathetic she would have been the less Nick would have understood. The only way you can get the message to sink in with someone like Nick is to be cold and firm and perhaps not so nice - that seems to me to have been the only way Nick would get the message.

Jeepers wrote:Regarding Andi's less than warm reception to Nick .....  She was probably pretty fed up with his behavior since filming ended...

His comments about things in the plane video
His attempt to see her when she was in Mexico .. With her F1
His attempt to see her again during the MTA weekend
His letter to her
His need to talk to her .. For closure .. At the AFTR
His comment to her during the AFTR

All while she is in a relationship .. That he well knew about

He never got the hint that she was done with him .. He pushed and pushed .. Like NO other F2 has ever done before .. To the point that I am sure she felt harassed by him

Cold!!??  I think she was actually pretty tolerant of him thru out this whole ordeal over the past couple of months .. I am Ware she had to face him at the AFTR .. Her behavior could have been a lot worse and unwelcoming

Put yourself in her place and think .. Honestly .. How you would feel and react to what she had to deal with

Jeepers your post articulates better than I could why I think Andi had no choice but to do pretty much what she did. Anything else would not have gotten the message through especially since refusing to meet with him or return his phone calls or even acknowledge getting and reading his letter didn't get the message through to Nick. Subtlety and nice didn't work.

I've been WishyWashy (WW, that's me!) on post-show Nick. One moment I creep out with his cocky declarations during the show. Then I empathize with him during the LCD because I felt IMHO the intellectual Nick so "connected" with Andi already knew he is not the one. My heart went out to him. Then TPTB shows us his attempts to "reach out" to Andi post-show (as  jeepers perfectly summarized) I say "numerous" attempts!   It is not just calling twice on the phone. Arie sought out Emily without the cameras. The very much blindsided Ben F who Ashley allegedly slept with at the FS sought his closure at AFTR as the usual style. For me, Nick's "numerous" attempts was clearly shown by TPTB, that Nick was hoping for a Mesnick! Nick despite watching himself edited as a villain still thought he had a chance to "change" Andi's mind? Yes, I'm blindsided with the connection we had DURING the show? YES, we made the sweetest love in the FS. But I dint know the connection you also had with Josh. I posted it in the unspoiled thread during the show. It is one of those moments that changed me from WW to a Jodi believer. I transcribed the convo of Nick from Episodes 6-7. And I said, Andi was getting secondhand info about what the boys were saying about Nick in the house. And Andi said in one of her ITMs, she finds it unattractive for a guy who have enemies easily. She finds someone attractive who GETS ALONG with others. I predicted that when Andi watches episode 7. Watched Nick cockily say that there is no one else in the house for Andi but him, watched Chris S say Nick talks about "strategy" all the time, watched Brian say he is 'fake". I ask y'all now, IF you are Andi (engaged with Josh) and here is Nick using middlemen to arrange a meetup while you are watching Nick (edited if you may!), would Andi honestly think Nick just wanted closure?! I mean seriously?! Nick who watched past shows know the F2 faces the Lead during AFTR. Nick could not wait to get his closure then? As in, he's like "No, I have to get closure now! I'll call Chris maybe he could get me private time with Andi. Josh is a great guy, surely he'll understand that I want closure" again, SERIOUSLY?! Nick was hoping for a Mesnick! Andi probably felt what he was trying to do! My heart went out to him at the AFTR. He seemed too broken that after denied numerous attempts. He still dint get it that the signals he's trying to send across Andi (and by extension Josh) is disrespectful and stalkerish.

I know most of you don't like Kelly but her tweet was telling. Again, put yourself in Andi's shoes, RT @kellytravisty: This is the last I will say... If an ex showed up at your door unannounced I highly doubt any of you would welcome him with open arms Because IF Nick wanted closure he could have waited in the AFTR, certainly Andi would have been nicer to Nick just like to Marcus and Chris S.    Unfortunately, Nick desiring a Mesnick (not just closure) creeped out Andi and disrespected her F1.  :Nod: 

I ask of you of this. Will you still be angry with "coldhearted Andi if Nick got a Mesnick? I perused some of the spoiled posts prior to FRC and some were hoping for a Mesnick   

IMHO, I respectfully say, I'm almost certain most would defend Nick and Andi to the heavens. That theirs was the Greatest Love Story if all. That Andi just followed her heart...

And we would be spending pages and pages of this topic of Nick's awesomeness in his ability to "change" Andi's mind because her heart after all was all Nick.

Or not.

 :hidingchair

whit90 wrote:

Piper61 wrote:Josh isn't going anywhere, and while Nick is still making the media rounds, Josh and Andi are at the mall shopping....looking every day normal, relaxed and adorable.  

What media rounds is Nick making today ? So as soon as they get home they go to the mall one of the busiest places to go hmmmm.  

Andi is probably ready to dress her man!    I think the first thing they did when they got home last night was to take their baby Sabel for a nice evening walk. Just normal every day kind of stuff, don't you think?

GrahamGal wrote:

whit90 wrote:

Piper61 wrote:Josh isn't going anywhere, and while Nick is still making the media rounds, Josh and Andi are at the mall shopping....looking every day normal, relaxed and adorable.  

What media rounds is Nick making today ? So as soon as they get home they go to the mall one of the busiest places to go hmmmm.  

Nick was on GMA.  As for the mall it didn't appear to be packed, but it is a completely normal thing to do.  Just as walking the dog last night was.  Maybe they went to pick something up for their families who are meeting up tonight and get a bite to eat at the Cheesecake factory.

He did all the media rounds yesterday and probably due to his contract obligations. Yes going to the mall is a normal thing to do but it is not like walking your dog at night. There are lots of people there so I bet they wanted to be seen. IMO

Should they have waited until a couple of months down the road to finally be seen out and about doing the types of things (that they have not been able to do together for the past 2 1/2 months) that every person just takes for granted in their daily lives?  A trip to the mall on a hot summer day, and a quick bite at the Cheesecake Factory? I don't think so, as I don't think their outing was about publicity, but just being able to be out in public like normal. IMO.

Cari wrote:

Lucas15 wrote:

Tnmomof4 wrote:I think she appeared so "cold" because she didn't want to give him any hope that there was a chance that she'd change her mind.  He was so adamant that Josh was wrong for her.  Not to say that she  was right but I can certainly understand it.  I know I've been there.  You break up nicely but every overture of "nice" brings hope so you have to rebreak their heart.  Sometimes being cold is the nicest thing you can do to help someone have closure and move on.  Makes me think of the Dumb and Dumber line (I'm not equating Nick with them!) "So you're saying there's a chance?" in response to the girl saying "there's a 1 in a million chance I'd go out with you." (or something like that.

I think so also and I think in this particular case the more empathetic she would have been the less Nick would have understood. The only way you can get the message to sink in with someone like Nick is to be cold and firm and perhaps not so nice - that seems to me to have been the only way Nick would get the message.

Jeepers wrote:Regarding Andi's less than warm reception to Nick .....  She was probably pretty fed up with his behavior since filming ended...

His comments about things in the plane video
His attempt to see her when she was in Mexico .. With her F1
His attempt to see her again during the MTA weekend
His letter to her
His need to talk to her .. For closure .. At the AFTR
His comment to her during the AFTR

All while she is in a relationship .. That he well knew about

He never got the hint that she was done with him .. He pushed and pushed .. Like NO other F2 has ever done before .. To the point that I am sure she felt harassed by him

Cold!!??  I think she was actually pretty tolerant of him thru out this whole ordeal over the past couple of months .. I am Ware she had to face him at the AFTR .. Her behavior could have been a lot worse and unwelcoming

Put yourself in her place and think .. Honestly .. How you would feel and react to what she had to deal with

Jeepers your post articulates better than I could why I think Andi had no choice but to do pretty much what she did. Anything else would not have gotten the message through especially since refusing to meet with him or return his phone calls or even acknowledge getting and reading his letter didn't get the message through to Nick. Subtlety and nice didn't work.

I've been WishyWashy (WW, that's me!) on post-show Nick. One moment I creep out with his cocky declarations during the show. Then I empathize with him during the LCD because I felt IMHO the intellectual Nick so "connected" with Andi already knew he is not the one. My heart went out to him. Then TPTB shows us his attempts to "reach out" to Andi post-show (as  jeepers perfectly summarized) I say "numerous" attempts!   It is not just calling twice on the phone. Arie sought out Emily without the cameras. The very much blindsided Ben F who Ashley allegedly slept with at the FS sought his closure at AFTR as the usual style. For me, Nick's "numerous" attempts was clearly shown by TPTB, that Nick was hoping for a Mesnick! Nick despite watching himself edited as a villain still thought he had a chance to "change" Andi's mind? Yes, I'm blindsided with the connection we had DURING the show? YES, we made the sweetest love in the FS. But I dint know the connection you also had with Josh. I posted it in the unspoiled thread during the show. It is one of those moments that changed me from WW to a Jodi believer. I transcribed the convo of Nick from Episodes 6-7. And I said, Andi was getting secondhand info about what the boys were saying about Nick in the house. And Andi said in one of her ITMs, she finds it unattractive for a guy who have enemies easily. She finds someone attractive who GETS ALONG with others. I predicted that when Andi watches episode 7. Watched Nick cockily say that there is no one else in the house for Andi but him, watched Chris S say Nick talks about "strategy" all the time, watched Brian say he is 'fake". I ask y'all now, IF you are Andi (engaged with Josh) and here is Nick using middlemen to arrange a meetup while you are watching Nick (edited if you may!), would Andi honestly think Nick just wanted closure?! I mean seriously?! Nick who watched past shows know the F2 faces the Lead during AFTR. Nick could not wait to get his closure then? As in, he's like "No, I have to get closure now! I'll call Chris maybe he could get me private time with Andi. Josh is a great guy, surely he'll understand that I want closure" again, SERIOUSLY?! Nick was hoping for a Mesnick! Andi probably felt what he was trying to do! My heart went out to him at the AFTR. He seemed too broken that after denied numerous attempts. He still dint get it that the signals he's trying to send across Andi (and by extension Josh) is disrespectful and stalkerish.

I know most of you don't like Kelly but her tweet was telling. Again, put yourself in Andi's shoes, RT @kellytravisty: This is the last I will say... If an ex showed up at your door unannounced I highly doubt any of you would welcome him with open arms Because IF Nick wanted closure he could have waited in the AFTR, certainly Andi would have been nicer to Nick just like to Marcus and Chris S.    Unfortunately, Nick desiring a Mesnick (not just closure) creeped out Andi and disrespected her F1.  :Nod: 

I ask of you of this. Will you still be angry with "coldhearted Andi if Nick got a Mesnick? I perused some of the spoiled posts prior to FRC and some were hoping for a Mesnick   

IMHO, I respectfully say, I'm almost certain most would defend Nick and Andi to the heavens. That theirs was the Greatest Love Story if all. That Andi just followed her heart...

And we would be spending pages and pages of this topic of Nick's awesomeness in his ability to "change" Andi's mind because her heart after all was all Nick.

Or not.

 :hidingchair

  great post! Exactly how I felt. He hasn't been the only F2 that was truly in love with the lead, Arie and Ben comes to mind but his post show activities were no bueno IMO.

Piper61 wrote:Guess they should've waited until a couple of months down the road to finally be seen out and about doing the types of things (that they have not been able to do together for the past 2 1/2 months) that every person just takes for granted in their daily lives.  A trip to the mall on a hot summer day, and a quick bite at the Cheesecake Factory.  They didn't get the memo.  

We will just have to disagree on why they went to a crowded mall but yes they have every right to live a normal life.

whit90 wrote:

Piper61 wrote:Guess they should've waited until a couple of months down the road to finally be seen out and about doing the types of things (that they have not been able to do together for the past 2 1/2 months) that every person just takes for granted in their daily lives.  A trip to the mall on a hot summer day, and a quick bite at the Cheesecake Factory.  They didn't get the memo.  

We will just have to disagree on why they went to a crowded mall but yes they have every right to live a normal life.

I am actually not surprised to see them out and about in pictures. It is common for several candid photo-ops of the new couple doing normal, everyday things to appear. Happens every season from back in the days of DeAnna and Jesse that I remember. The true test of their relationship will come when the cameras go away. Whether they make it or not is up to them.

Piper61 wrote:

whit90 wrote:

Piper61 wrote:Josh isn't going anywhere, and while Nick is still making the media rounds, Josh and Andi are at the mall shopping....looking every day normal, relaxed and adorable.  

What media rounds is Nick making today ? So as soon as they get home they go to the mall one of the busiest places to go hmmmm.  

Andi is probably ready to dress her man!    I think the first thing they did when they got home last night was to take their baby Sabel for a nice evening walk.  Just normal every day kind of stuff, don't you think?

They are so madly in love and could not wait to be out with each other. So happy for them. They are the darlings of Atlanta, and I bet we will be seeing them a lot!!