Re: : Nick Viall Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* - *Spoilers* - Discussion - Thread #8

[Cecilia]

I just watched this one again. It breaks my heart, yet I am so proud that Nick did what he did. He said he had no expectations the night of the fantasy suite. But what happened meant the world to him. No one can convince me that she didn't know it was Josh at that point.

http://jezebel.com/the-bachelorette-why-did-you-have-sex-with-me-if-you-w-1612477200

It just struck me now, after all season, that she talks to these guys, and even CH, like I imagine her talking in a courtroom.

This is 100% true.  She was so condescending to Nick at the ATFR and that was not how she was with him at all.  He's probably like HS - who did I fall in love with.
Also - I just want to point out that she is a baby attorney who probably had a handful of trials.  She's not all that.  I intensely dislike her - after feeling I could relate to her at the beginning of the season.

[mercieme]

I just watched this one again. It breaks my heart, yet I am so proud that Nick did what he did. He said he had no expectations the night of the fantasy suite. But what happened meant the world to him. No one can convince me that she didn't know it was Josh at that point.

http://jezebel.com/the-bachelorette-why-did-you-have-sex-with-me-if-you-w-1612477200

It just struck me now, after all season, that she talks to these guys, and even CH, like I imagine her talking in a courtroom.

I agree but what saddens me is that she still demonstrated some emotional distress when she let Cody, Chris go and Nick of all people that kept talking about how passionate things were between them got less empathy, really shocking to me.

[Pia1]

IMO he forced to brought that up. She refused to have a private convo with him on vacation and MTA.  It hit the nail on her -full of herself- head. like Andi said to Bella, he can read her mind. And at a point, he just wanted her to own up her actions and explain to him.

For the life of me, i dont understand why would she need to sleep with him, if she knew she was going to pick Josh and she could (allowed by producers) let Nick go before FRC? . i get that she needed to string him along..but as Nick said, he actually didnt have any 'expectation' that night  :shocked!: . Its just was too classless and unnecessary in my right sense.

Mura, this is the question that i can't wrap my head around.  Why did she sleep with Nick knowing from day one that Josh was the one?  If the FS dates are done in consecutive days, this would mean that she slept with Josh the night before and slept with Nick the following night.  What kind of woman does that?

I really enjoyed your sleuthing and hope you sleuth again next season.  

Nick's fantasy date was before Josh's but still she apparently slept with Nick still thinking Josh was F1 from day 1 so...

Thanks, can someone tell me if the FS dates are consecutive? Not that it matters much how many days apart that would just be totally gross to sleep with 2 guys few days apart knowing that you plan to marry one of them.

[Guest]

I think Nick burned his bridge with regard to being the Bachelor.  His exit interview is very candid and raw.  I don't think anyone would buy that he is over this in 6 or 8 weeks when the Bachelor starts filming.

i concur that. He can make 250 k easily...why would he throw himself AND his lovely fam to the devil hands all over again?....not to mention, he wouldnt make love (or pretend to ) with 3 girls on 3 consecutive days..  .no way he is next TB.

[sdmom]

^ This is what posted in May in the Filming thread:
4/28: FD #1 -> Nick Viall
4/29: Travel/Off
4/30: FD #2 -> Chris Soules
5/01: Travel/Off
5/02: FD #3 -> Josh Murray
5/03: 9th Rose Ceremony

[Cecilia]

I just watched this one again. It breaks my heart, yet I am so proud that Nick did what he did. He said he had no expectations the night of the fantasy suite. But what happened meant the world to him. No one can convince me that she didn't know it was Josh at that point.

http://jezebel.com/the-bachelorette-why-did-you-have-sex-with-me-if-you-w-1612477200

It just struck me now, after all season, that she talks to these guys, and even CH, like I imagine her talking in a courtroom.

I agree but what saddens me is that she still demonstrated some emotional distress when she let Cody, Chris go and Nick of all people that kept talking about how passionate things were between them got less empathy, really shocking to me.

And then today said letting every guy go was hard.

On the huffington post video she indicated that he didn't have nice things to say about her. So everyone who thought she was upset that he called her stubborn and passive/aggressive was right. She is the most self-centered bachelorette ever. I can't even deal. But bottom line is - she WAS pissed about that video. Because it's all about her. Have fun Josh! Be thankful you didn't marry a phony Nick.

[stuckinsc]

Will someone stronger than me re-watch the Finale and see if Andi told Josh she's loved him from day 1? Thanks!

Yes, she did, but she has clarified in interviews that what she meant was that she had feelings for him from day 1 but couldn't clarify them as love until the LCD.  That contradicts the revelation that she told Josh what kind of ring she wanted, in very precise detail, right down to how many prongs, in the FS.

That's called backtracking to save face. In other words "Oh, I slept with both of them because I was so torn".

Just like on JK when Josh admits to knowing her before hand then she and he backtrack to he just saw her at a club and she didn't see him. I mean he was love at first site, how would she not have noticed him at a club?

[Guest]

Mura, this is the question that i can't wrap my head around.  Why did she sleep with Nick knowing from day one that Josh was the one?  If the FS dates are done in consecutive days, this would mean that she slept with Josh the night before and slept with Nick the following night.  What kind of woman does that?

I really enjoyed your sleuthing and hope you sleuth again next season.  

Nick's fantasy date was before Josh's but still she apparently slept with Nick still thinking Josh was F1 from day 1 so...

Thanks, can someone tell me if the FS dates are consecutive?  Not that it matters much how many days apart that would just be totally gross to sleep with 2 guys few days apart knowing that you plan to marry one of them.

FD date: Nick- Chris- Josh...with an off day in between (more on Filming thread)

[eirekay]

I want to thank you all - it was so nice to have a warm supportive place to come to today! Nice to have #TeamNick to turn to today!  

[stuckinsc]

I want to thank you all - it was so nice to have a warm supportive place to come to today!  Nice to have #TeamNick to turn to today!  

Me too! I hope we get to keep this thread for a while. Though the little gremlin in me will be happy to have an Andi and Josh discussion thread, so I can post my thoughts on the couple without having to make happy Nick lovers read it.

[Cecilia]

If she did not really have a connection with Nick (with IMO - you would not treat someone you really cared for like she did on ATFR even with him calling her stubborn and passive/aggressive) then another explanation would be that she wanted another guy to fall for her hard and she wanted to do that for the show (oh - Andi is the bachelorette that had so many ILUs) AND to keep the pressure up on Josh and make Josh jealous. So she used him, which people do on and off of reality tv.

[isittrue]

Will someone stronger than me re-watch the Finale and see if Andi told Josh she's loved him from day 1? Thanks!

Yes, she did, but she has clarified in interviews that what she meant was that she had feelings for him from day 1 but couldn't clarify them as love until the LCD.  That contradicts the revelation that she told Josh what kind of ring she wanted, in very precise detail, right down to how many prongs, in the FS.

   I saw some people say it looked like she was more interested in looking at the ring than at Josh.

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