Re: : Nick Viall Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* - *Spoilers* - Discussion - Thread #8

[brittany4400]

beyo mGuys, I haven't posted all season but wanted to let everyone know that Nick is on with Billy Bush now!

TY BBmom, my long-lost Bestie!   

hope you sticking with us here in Nick Nation whenever you can   

Thank you, Mura! Okay, they only showed a short portion of the interview and said that the full interview would be aired tonight.

    BBmom, I missed you! How did you like this season? I completely lost interest around ep 5. I was still TeamNick though. 

Mura, thanks for hanging in there.

[Guest]

Bolded mine. The following is just my opinion. I've been perusing the posts, and your statement I bolded really hit me, enough to post something after what I watched Monday night. I don't want to believe it was all a delusion, and I do want to believe she had feelings for Nick. Nobody wants to see someone crushed like that. It does make me question whether TBTB were thrown for a loop themselves during filming, or if it was obvious from the word go that she wanted Josh. So much we don't get to see. I guess I hoped it was Josh she was going to see, but I didn't deep down believe it. It seems to me that the consensus of opinion is the distaste on not her breaking it off with Nick, but on how she did it - with half answers and seeming coldness. I re-watched three scenes off of a blog site this morning - the "breakup", the extra Wisconsin filming, her explaining to Nick at ATFR that she didn't love him. I don't know what Andi truly went through. It is hard to imagine the gamut of emotions a woman or man goes through in a situation like that, and we are not privy to their real feelings normally (except maybe in the case of Sean, who couldn't seem to help himself saying he loved his F2). We see only what the TBTB want or allow us to see. We saw a tired, emotionally spent Andi at times (Josh's words were similar to that) and a defensive one and one who was caught up in the bubble herself at times (I believe) and one who thought she was falling in love. We (at least some on this thread) wanted it to be with Nick - to believe she wanted the something deeper we felt we saw promised. Yes, it is a cheesy reality show and highly edited, but this season showed us raw emotion and glimpses behind the scenes. It is like the fourth wall (I believe they call it that, maybe I'm wrong) was broken. Fakeness (is that even a word?) was exposed by Eric, who dared to be "real" in an unreal situation and was allowed to have it shown. Gut-wrenching tears were shown, as the cast and crew dealt with the death of someone who had just recently touched their lives.

The thing is (and I really didn't start this post off to defend Andi) that Andi now has a new relationship to live out in the public eye and media storm (whether she would want that or not), and I believe she felt that she needed to close the door on the old one to successfully do that. How she did it is what most people are focusing on, I think. The jolt of being told by someone directly they don't love you (especially if they never said those words in the first place) must be immense, but I do feel it is closure. In a weird way it is kinder, really. I don't think she planned to say it that way (just my opinion), but she was prodded to do so. Only she knows the truth of that. I believe a person is much more likely to start healing and be able to move on - after the initial shock of it. Yes, I believe he will carry the hurt for awhile - the sting, the feelings of humiliation. A person can only take so much, but it seems that Nick is being surrounded with friends and family who can ease him through this admittedly hard situation. It takes a strong person to cope with destroyed hopes, but a person's own strength is not enough. I do hope a genuine woman will be in his future, but before that can happen he needs to heal. I am troubled by the fact he is agreeing to interviews, but I'm not him (obviously). Each person chooses the way he/she deals with situations, but he, too, must live out this situation in the public eye and media storm - whether he wants to or not. I wish him the best.

Mimi, I will admit that for me it WAS Andi's frosty cold demeanor and lack of even a shred of sympathy or compassion for Nick at the AFTR that bothered me the most.  She only showed up to have that conversation because she was required to do so.  As much as she enjoyed the way Nick chased her during the filming of the show (which just fed into the huge EGO that she developed), it was obvious from the moment she walked out on that stage that when she is done with someone, she is DONE.

I also believe that if that plane video had not surfaced, if it had not been made public, that PERHAPS things might have gone a little differently at the AFTR for Nick.  But, I am now convinced that both Andi and Josh watched it, and it was all downhill for Nick from that point forward.  Andi does not take any kind of criticism well.  That was apparent from her time on the Bachelor last season.  Didn't Andi say in a recent interview that Nick did not have any nice things to say about her?  For her to say that, then she MUST HAVE watched the plane video, and she was pissed when she was forced into having to see and talk to him.

So, IMO, Andi refused to talk to Nick privately, out of spite.  How dare him say anything negative about her!!!  She showed up at the AFTR - because she HAD to.  She looked like a stone cold Bit*ch to me.  And she arrived there with what seemed like a huge chip on her shoulder.

I also think that Nick needs to heal first, before he can move on.  I don't know if Sharleen is a viable love interest for Nick, but I can certainly see her as someone who could help Nick in the healing process.  She, after all knows Andi from TB, even though I doubt that they are really that close friends in real life.  Sharleen, though, might be someone who could help Nick work through what was real and what was producer driven in the filming process, to help Nick move past the grief and hurt that he is now feeling.  She could be a very valuable friend for him to have right now.  So, I hope to see that relationship formed, whether or not there is a love connection between the two of them.  I just want Nick to be able to get over Andi, as quickly as possible.

Yes to all of this.  I also saw through Andi's SM that she may have been holding a grudge.  She made sure to never post pictures of Nick in any of her posts about the show, even HT dates, all the other 3 men were shown and just a solo of her in Milwaukee.  In the meantime, she went out of her way to praise Josh in addition to Chris and Marcus.  She also sat and let her BBF tweet nasty tweets about Nick during the show including that he was a stalker.  She was very angry with Nick and I honestly don't think the airplane video was that bad compared to what he really could have said.  

ITA with these posts.

me thinks Meandi lack of Empathy chips in her!....how could she start a familly by not knowing what the empathy is?  :shocked!: .

the plane vid:...sorry..i disagree..it was Andi who chasing him by giving him ALL kinds of reassurance from day 1. (remember: he is skeptic by nature...me thinks we did NOT get to see her actions/reciprocations/words to him...its left on edit floor, for the sake of the final couple)..so just gave the poor guy some slack after what he has been through, dragged to the mud since day 1...and worse, didnt get any full closure. Sooo... not human...

very spot on Longhornfan!..i completely agree about Nick may need someone who has been on the show to move on. I remember Kyp reaching out to Ten after she was being dumped. It helped her a lot, she said. I just hope how it goes will be different with Sharnick, though...    

[isittrue]

Mimi, I will admit that for me it WAS Andi's frosty cold demeanor and lack of even a shred of sympathy or compassion for Nick at the AFTR that bothered me the most.  She only showed up to have that conversation because she was required to do so.  As much as she enjoyed the way Nick chased her during the filming of the show (which just fed into the huge EGO that she developed), it was obvious from the moment she walked out on that stage that when she is done with someone, she is DONE.

I also believe that if that plane video had not surfaced, if it had not been made public, that PERHAPS things might have gone a little differently at the AFTR for Nick.  But, I am now convinced that both Andi and Josh watched it, and it was all downhill for Nick from that point forward.  Andi does not take any kind of criticism well.  That was apparent from her time on the Bachelor last season.  Didn't Andi say in a recent interview that Nick did not have any nice things to say about her?  For her to say that, then she MUST HAVE watched the plane video, and she was pissed when she was forced into having to see and talk to him.

So, IMO, Andi refused to talk to Nick privately, out of spite.  How dare him say anything negative about her!!!  She showed up at the AFTR - because she HAD to.  She looked like a stone cold Bit*ch to me.  And she arrived there with what seemed like a huge chip on her shoulder.

I also think that Nick needs to heal first, before he can move on.  I don't know if Sharleen is a viable love interest for Nick, but I can certainly see her as someone who could help Nick in the healing process.  She, after all knows Andi from TB, even though I doubt that they are really that close friends in real life.  Sharleen, though, might be someone who could help Nick work through what was real and what was producer driven in the filming process, to help Nick move past the grief and hurt that he is now feeling.  She could be a very valuable friend for him to have right now.  So, I hope to see that relationship formed, whether or not there is a love connection between the two of them.  I just want Nick to be able to get over Andi, as quickly as possible.

Yes to all of this.  I also saw through Andi's SM that she may have been holding a grudge.  She made sure to never post pictures of Nick in any of her posts about the show, even HT dates, all the other 3 men were shown and just a solo of her in Milwaukee.  In the meantime, she went out of her way to praise Josh in addition to Chris and Marcus.  She also sat and let her BBF tweet nasty tweets about Nick during the show including that he was a stalker.  She was very angry with Nick and I honestly don't think the airplane video was that bad compared to what he really could have said.  

ITA with these posts.

me thinks Meandi lack of Empathy chips in her!....how could she start a familly by not knowing what the empathy is?  :shocked!: .

the plane vid:...sorry..i disagree..it was Andi who chasing him by giving him ALL kinds of reassurance from day 1. (remember: he is skeptic by nature...me thinks we did NOT get to see her actions/reciprocations/words to him...its left on edit floor, for the sake of the final couple)..so just gave the poor guy some slack after what he has been through, dragged to the mud since day 1...and worse, didnt get any full closure. Sooo... not human...

very spot on Longhornfan!..i completely agree about Nick may need someone who has been on the show to move on. I remember Kyp reaching out to Ten after she was being dumped. It helped her a lot, she said. I just hope how it goes will be different with Sharnick, though...    

Oh I agree about the plane video - that's why I don't understand why she did not cut him slack because he was heartbroken and venting but apparently no one dare criticize MeAndI. I saw her reassuring him all throughout the LCD so I can see where he would be confused.

[Guest]

TY BBmom, my long-lost Bestie!   

hope you sticking with us here in Nick Nation whenever you can   

Thank you, Mura! Okay, they only showed a short portion of the interview and said that the full interview would be aired tonight.

    BBmom, I missed you! How did you like this season? I completely lost interest around ep 5. I was still TeamNick though. 

Mura, thanks for hanging in there.

HIya awesome Besties!   . we may need to hijack Nick Nation for a while for a Prince Siegfried's Shenanigans reunion

Britt..you are responsible for me getting stucked here   . you know early on the season i was in safe heaven on Joshie Poo's land... J/K... I regret my waste of time to ever believe the Fleissian Wuv Story..and being fooled by the wacky edit. One thing i dont regret : to get to know Nick and his fam..

[Baseball Mom]

TY BBmom, my long-lost Bestie!   

hope you sticking with us here in Nick Nation whenever you can   

Thank you, Mura! Okay, they only showed a short portion of the interview and said that the full interview would be aired tonight.

    BBmom, I missed you! How did you like this season? I completely lost interest around ep 5. I was still TeamNick though. 

Mura, thanks for hanging in there.

  Hey, Britt...I missed you guys, too! Although I wasn't posting I watched all the episodes and lurked here a lot. I really tried to not get invested this season coz I didn't want repeat from Des' season where we were so obsessed with Chris we forgot we had real lives to live. However, I will say I became a Nick fan (silently, until today!!!) against my better judgment. So yeah, I suffered just like everyone here watching the FRC/AFTR   

[notarose]

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[nutty1]

James Viall ‏@jviall 3m
No big deal. Got chosen to have one of the best tweets Monday night by @HuffingtonPost. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5628965?1406654967&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063 …

Here's the article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/emma-gray/the-bachelorette-season-10-finale-nick-viall-andi-dorfman-sex_b_5628965.html?1406654967&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063

I was reading thru the best tweets and found Sean's hilarious!

Sean Lowe ✔ @SeanLowe09
Why do I feel like Josh is going to dump Gatorade on And's head after the proposal? #athlete

[nutty1]

etonline After talking to @NancyOdell about 'The Question' @nick_viall28 explains a whole lot more. Join us for ET tonight #ETnow #TheBachelorette #NicholasViall

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He looks good!!!!   

[happygolucky]

Yes, I hope we can all move on from now on ...
all the things were said and done ... and are in the past.

For all of you who still wonder whether you saw a real love story or not ...
Well, it was real - the part we've seen.
And then there is a lot of unseen footage and things that went down, that were just "fillers" to keep the game going.

There were real emotions and real feelings based on an idea of who the each person is and the illusion that one understand the other.
And that kind of relationship could never survive in real life.

My mistake was to believe they were on the same wave-length, but the last date and the goodbye moment in DR really has proven to me that those 2 never actually got to know each other for who they really are. So therefor there was no real love between them.
And I'm relieved that it all played out as it did.
Everything.
She got the guy who can handle her, or so he says.
Nick finally got his well-deserved closure.

It may be a bit unpleasant to answer again and again the same questions by the media and press (who are most likely to blame for the whole "shaming" discussion along with all of our reactions) and probably he is already sorry for how he handled the conversation, because he now has to explain himself for things that are totally secondary and unimportant comparing to the whole process and experience he went through.

[Kashathediva]

6 questions form me. 1 from someone else. I have officially turned into a stalker!!!

You may be a stalker, but you are taking one for your team with some excellent questions Team Nick would love answered!   

[emad0722]

AHHHHHHH I missed so much... Just catching up now...

NUTTY your tweets had me laughing so hard I had tears. Usually f2 doesn't get many interviews... Suck on that JODI he has stolen the show. CAnt wait to watch them all.

PS Nick is looking smoking ;)

[ElonM]

etonline After talking to @NancyOdell about 'The Question' @nick_viall28 explains a whole lot more. Join us for ET tonight #ETnow #TheBachelorette #NicholasViall

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He looks good!!!!    

Wow, he is one good looking man.

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