Re: Josh Murray Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* Updates - Discussion - Thread #11

[MAB348]

LOL, I dunno it must be just me.....  Andi sleeping with Nick doesn't take any joy I feel for Josh and Andi it's not like they were dating exclusively an Andi cheated she was in a relationship with Nick also,  95% of these lead sleep with their F3, F2 and F1 you know it is what it is, I don't see how any of you can be surprised that TPTB did this, once the season is over they don't care about the couple they have gotten what the want....  I am 100% behind Josh and Andi this is the start of their relationship and I believe that those 2 will make it.....

My take on what Andi was trying to communicate to Josh during the beginning of the proposal was that it took the whole season, it's ups and downs, possibly her relationship with Nick, for her to realize that she actually was in love with Josh from the start.  In other words, she really didn't know, or maybe let herself know, that she loved him until that morning, after everything had played out and at that point she realized she had loved him all along.
Not to justify her sleeping with both, but I really think (at least in her mind in those moments) that at the time she did it, she still was trying to give this "different" connection she had with Nick a chance and I guess, in her world, sleeping with him would give her clarity. She hadn't let herself totally believe that she loved Josh yet. Not my cup of tea, but I think it's what's she needed to be sure.

I agree, good post! I know Josh was literally sweating bullets the longer she talked (precious guy!) but in the end it was worth it.  She finally exhaled and just let herself know and feel with confidence that she truly was in love with him.  When she was again wiping sweat from his brow, he was so cute when he told her that she was scaring him and he was thinking, WHAT is GOING ON!"  He was spot on his proposal when he said no man could make her laugh like he could.  That was always one of the things that I looked at as a big plus in favor of their relationship.  Josh's entire proposal was beautiful! And Andi saying she was madly in love with him and that she loved saying I love you to him made me smile.

I don't think Andi said she loved him immediately and always knew he was f1, what I understood is that when she met him, she immediately got scared of him and what she was feeling and didn't know what it was. She was all irrational with him all season and couldn't understand what he did to her, it was only the morning the frc that she realized all these crazy feelings are actually love for him. It was only clear to her in hindsight imo, not at m&g. And I think we can see it by her behavior, she was always different with him, always chasing after him, always worried about him, even when she tried to push him away, she couldn't handle it when he was away like during their lie detector drama. So it took her that long to understand what was going on and how afraid she was that she's actually, totally in love with him.

I think Andi fought her feeling for Josh the whole time and at the end she realized she loved him all along.

hmm.. this post makes me feel a tad bit better I guess. I need to read all these pages of posts .


Just caught up and totally agree with all of this!! My thoughts exactly!   

[Guest]

I have to agree with your post wholeheartedly. I was a huge fan of both Andi and Josh the whole season. I, in fact, have supported Andi since she was smart enough to walk away from Juan Pable. I felt Andi and Josh were soul mates that found each other on this show because of pure fate. I, however, look at Andi different now. She did not have to sleep with Nick since cameras were not rolling and she could do as she pleased. And, if her feelings were as strong for Josh as she said they were, it should not have happened. That is just how I genuinely feel about it. I am disappointed and can't look at them with out thinking about it. There is a reason it was shocking to the media and fans, its because it was wrong. Josh told her he loved her and she met his family, only to have sex with Nick right before getting engaged to an amazing man like Josh. As a mom, I would not be happy with that at all and would want more for my son. I respect momma murray for her humility and support regardless of what was brought to light last night. I am just sad that it happened. And, honestly I felt bad for Nick who I felt Andi was extremely cold to after leading him on so much. I almost would have preferred her say she was falling in love with both of them than to claim to not have ever been in love with him but slept with him anyway despite what it may have done to the one she really loves (Josh). Or, maybe admit that it shouldn't have happened since she was feeling stronger for Josh. I am trying to be happy and optimistic for them since I was so in love with their love story. But, I guess I am just a bit shocked and disappointed as I remember reading this forum and so many of us fans were pretty adamant about the fact that there was no way she would sleep with Nick on the overnight dates.

I'm also trying to be happy and optimistic for them. Seeing all the videos and pics, reading the interviews, it brings a smile to my face how adorable they are together. But there is a definite damper on my feelings about the whole thing now, that doesn't seem to want to go away.

First of all, Josh saying in interviews that he couldn't care less, well that doesn't ring true to me, sorry. I think Josh is saying that out of respect for Andi, and his need to protect those he loves. He knows she's embarrassed by the whole thing, and I honestly think he is too. All his friends and family were watching, there is no way that didn't bother him at all. What else is he going to say publicly?

The other thing is what I read about the FS, and Andi telling Josh what kind of engagement ring to get her. She had just had her FS date with Nick, been intimate with him, then a day or so later she is telling Josh what engagement ring to get her? Why would she do that unless she thought he was going to be the one? Josh even said he left the FS that night sure it was him, and what we saw at that rose ceremony was how certain and confident he seemed, he never wavered from that from that point on. I just don't get it. Was she disappointed with her FS night with Nick, so she decided to choose Josh? I don't think we'll ever really know what her thought process was at that point.

[dw_a_mom]

I think Andi fought her feeling for Josh the whole time and at the end she realized she loved him all along.

This. I love. This is exactly on point. And thus, I think a talent should make us a fanvid to the tune of 'CANT FIGHT THIS FEELING' by REO Speedwagon.

That will always be the Jash song for me!  

I agree. It's Jash's

[bleuberry]

I have to agree with your post wholeheartedly. I was a huge fan of both Andi and Josh the whole season. I, in fact, have supported Andi since she was smart enough to walk away from Juan Pable. I felt Andi and Josh were soul mates that found each other on this show because of pure fate. I, however, look at Andi different now. She did not have to sleep with Nick since cameras were not rolling and she could do as she pleased. And, if her feelings were as strong for Josh as she said they were, it should not have happened. That is just how I genuinely feel about it. I am disappointed and can't look at them with out thinking about it. There is a reason it was shocking to the media and fans, its because it was wrong. Josh told her he loved her and she met his family, only to have sex with Nick right before getting engaged to an amazing man like Josh. As a mom, I would not be happy with that at all and would want more for my son. I respect momma murray for her humility and support regardless of what was brought to light last night. I am just sad that it happened. And, honestly I felt bad for Nick who I felt Andi was extremely cold to after leading him on so much. I almost would have preferred her say she was falling in love with both of them than to claim to not have ever been in love with him but slept with him anyway despite what it may have done to the one she really loves (Josh). Or, maybe admit that it shouldn't have happened since she was feeling stronger for Josh. I am trying to be happy and optimistic for them since I was so in love with their love story. But, I guess I am just a bit shocked and disappointed as I remember reading this forum and so many of us fans were pretty adamant about the fact that there was no way she would sleep with Nick on the overnight dates.

I'm also trying to be happy and optimistic for them. Seeing all the videos and pics, reading the interviews, it brings a smile to my face how adorable they are together. But there is a definite damper on my feelings about the whole thing now, that doesn't seem to want to go away.

First of all, Josh saying in interviews that he couldn't care less, well that doesn't ring true to me, sorry. I think Josh is saying that out of respect for Andi, and his need to protect those he loves. He knows she's embarrassed by the whole thing, and I honestly think he is too. All his friends and family were watching, there is no way that didn't bother him at all. What else is he going to say publicly?

The other thing is what I read about the FS, and Andi telling Josh what kind of engagement ring to get her. She had just had her FS date with Nick, been intimate with him, then a day or so later she is telling Josh what engagement ring to get her? Why would she do that unless she thought he was going to be the one? Josh even said he left the FS that night sure it was him, and what we saw at that rose ceremony was how certain and confident he seemed, he never wavered from that from that point on. I just don't get it. Was she disappointed with her FS night with Nick, so she decided to choose Josh? I don't think we'll ever really know what her thought process was at that point.

Sums up my feelings. I'm trying to distract myself by watching all the cute post show footage. LOL.

[MAB348]

I have to agree with your post wholeheartedly. I was a huge fan of both Andi and Josh the whole season. I, in fact, have supported Andi since she was smart enough to walk away from Juan Pable. I felt Andi and Josh were soul mates that found each other on this show because of pure fate. I, however, look at Andi different now. She did not have to sleep with Nick since cameras were not rolling and she could do as she pleased. And, if her feelings were as strong for Josh as she said they were, it should not have happened. That is just how I genuinely feel about it. I am disappointed and can't look at them with out thinking about it. There is a reason it was shocking to the media and fans, its because it was wrong. Josh told her he loved her and she met his family, only to have sex with Nick right before getting engaged to an amazing man like Josh. As a mom, I would not be happy with that at all and would want more for my son. I respect momma murray for her humility and support regardless of what was brought to light last night. I am just sad that it happened. And, honestly I felt bad for Nick who I felt Andi was extremely cold to after leading him on so much. I almost would have preferred her say she was falling in love with both of them than to claim to not have ever been in love with him but slept with him anyway despite what it may have done to the one she really loves (Josh). Or, maybe admit that it shouldn't have happened since she was feeling stronger for Josh. I am trying to be happy and optimistic for them since I was so in love with their love story. But, I guess I am just a bit shocked and disappointed as I remember reading this forum and so many of us fans were pretty adamant about the fact that there was no way she would sleep with Nick on the overnight dates.

I'm also trying to be happy and optimistic for them. Seeing all the videos and pics, reading the interviews, it brings a smile to my face how adorable they are together. But there is a definite damper on my feelings about the whole thing now, that doesn't seem to want to go away.

First of all, Josh saying in interviews that he couldn't care less, well that doesn't ring true to me, sorry. I think Josh is saying that out of respect for Andi, and his need to protect those he loves. He knows she's embarrassed by the whole thing, and I honestly think he is too. All his friends and family were watching, there is no way that didn't bother him at all. What else is he going to say publicly?

The other thing is what I read about the FS, and Andi telling Josh what kind of engagement ring to get her. She had just had her FS date with Nick, been intimate with him, then a day or so later she is telling Josh what engagement ring to get her? Why would she do that unless she thought he was going to be the one? Josh even said he left the FS that night sure it was him, and what we saw at that rose ceremony was how certain and confident he seemed, he never wavered from that from that point on. I just don't get it. Was she disappointed with her FS night with Nick, so she decided to choose Josh? I don't think we'll ever really know what her thought process was at that point.

Sums up my feelings. I'm trying to distract myself by watching all the cute post show footage. LOL.

me too bleuberry, me too! I have been non stop reading and watching the interviews but, as mentioned before, the doubt cloud over my previous opinion of their relationship has not gone away. And, I find it VERY hard to believe that Josh knew it happened before last night and that he is okay with it. It is literally being brought up in every interview. Which would not happen if Andi had simply not slept with Nick.

[Judiful]

  I go along with Josh's lovely mom, Lauren Goodhart Murray when she said their committed relationship began when Josh slipped that ring on Andi's finger.. I think Josh is a very smart young man..so thoughtful and down to earth..I like to think he will not dwell upon anyone or anything in Andi's past that would cause negativity..It's the love and trust they have for each other today that will move them forwards to their future as Mr and Mrs Josh Murray... I love those kids..  

[Guest]

In one interview, he wouldn't answer if he knew beforehand, he said it was too personal to answer.

And I just read another interview where Josh said that he wasn't watching Andi and Nick backstage, so he really came out there last night, not knowing that Nick had just called her out. That makes me sad for him.

[Linds911]

It's being brought up because of Nick. Josh and Andi have sorta mentioned that they talked about it all and it's in the past. I'm sure if he was angry about it, he would not be acting like he is with her 2 months+.

[soccermom333]

  I go along with Josh's lovely mom, Lauren Goodhart Murray when she said their committed relationship  began when Josh slipped that ring on Andi's finger.. I think Josh is a very smart young man..so thoughtful and  down to earth..I like to think he will not dwell upon anyone or anything in Andi's past that would cause negativity..It's the love and trust they have for each other today that will move them forwards to their future as Mr and Mrs Josh Murray...  I love those kids..  

Great post!   

[MAB348]

In one interview, he wouldn't answer if he knew beforehand, he said it was too personal to answer.

And I just read another interview where Josh said that he wasn't watching Andi and Nick backstage, so he really came out there last night, not knowing that Nick had just called her out. That makes me sad for him.

I agree.. I think if he had known beforehand he would say that. It would make it much better for him and Andi if he could say "She already told me about it months ago so we have moved on." Instead its like, "its private and isn't a big deal." Pushing it away and ignoring it for love or interviews sake will just be a problem that shows up later, imo.

[soccermom333]

In one interview, he wouldn't answer if he knew beforehand, he said it was too personal to answer.

And I just read another interview where Josh said that he wasn't watching Andi and Nick backstage, so he really came out there last night, not knowing that Nick had just called her out. That makes me sad for him.

They talked about it and he knew but unlike Nick, he is not going to throw Andi under the bus and reveal any previous sex conversations they had. After watching today, I am 100% convinced she told him on either on their FS date or post show, that she slept w Nick.  :cutesmile!:  Their relationship started at the engagement and he knew it. It has only grown and is stronger today.

[kdubs_ca]

I have to agree with your post wholeheartedly. I was a huge fan of both Andi and Josh the whole season. I, in fact, have supported Andi since she was smart enough to walk away from Juan Pable. I felt Andi and Josh were soul mates that found each other on this show because of pure fate. I, however, look at Andi different now. She did not have to sleep with Nick since cameras were not rolling and she could do as she pleased. And, if her feelings were as strong for Josh as she said they were, it should not have happened. That is just how I genuinely feel about it. I am disappointed and can't look at them with out thinking about it. There is a reason it was shocking to the media and fans, its because it was wrong. Josh told her he loved her and she met his family, only to have sex with Nick right before getting engaged to an amazing man like Josh. As a mom, I would not be happy with that at all and would want more for my son. I respect momma murray for her humility and support regardless of what was brought to light last night. I am just sad that it happened. And, honestly I felt bad for Nick who I felt Andi was extremely cold to after leading him on so much. I almost would have preferred her say she was falling in love with both of them than to claim to not have ever been in love with him but slept with him anyway despite what it may have done to the one she really loves (Josh). Or, maybe admit that it shouldn't have happened since she was feeling stronger for Josh. I am trying to be happy and optimistic for them since I was so in love with their love story. But, I guess I am just a bit shocked and disappointed as I remember reading this forum and so many of us fans were pretty adamant about the fact that there was no way she would sleep with Nick on the overnight dates.

I'm also trying to be happy and optimistic for them. Seeing all the videos and pics, reading the interviews, it brings a smile to my face how adorable they are together. But there is a definite damper on my feelings about the whole thing now, that doesn't seem to want to go away.

First of all, Josh saying in interviews that he couldn't care less, well that doesn't ring true to me, sorry. I think Josh is saying that out of respect for Andi, and his need to protect those he loves. He knows she's embarrassed by the whole thing, and I honestly think he is too. All his friends and family were watching, there is no way that didn't bother him at all. What else is he going to say publicly?

The other thing is what I read about the FS, and Andi telling Josh what kind of engagement ring to get her. She had just had her FS date with Nick, been intimate with him, then a day or so later she is telling Josh what engagement ring to get her? Why would she do that unless she thought he was going to be the one? Josh even said he left the FS that night sure it was him, and what we saw at that rose ceremony was how certain and confident he seemed, he never wavered from that from that point on. I just don't get it. Was she disappointed with her FS night with Nick, so she decided to choose Josh? I don't think we'll ever really know what her thought process was at that point.

Actually, Josh has been saying he COULD care less, and it's been driving me crazy!  Maybe he's actually dropping a hint.    

I'm sorry that the veil has been lifted and so many people are having their enjoyment of the season dampened.  I think, realistically, the lead usually takes the final few for a test drive.  I think they can make that decision for bad reasons (i.e. they've already made up their mind and they're looking for a final fling or they're not serious at all about the process and they're looking to score with as many as possible) or for "good" reasons (i.e. they are trying to keep their heart and emotions as open as possible to all of their choices.)  I guess I'm looking through rose colored glasses (pun intended) since I think Andi did the latter.  And, I put good in quotes because I know there are some that think sex with multiple people in the same week is wrong, no matter the circumstance.  I'd never judge someone else's value system if that's the case.

I don't have a hard time squaring the circle with the ring conversation AND the sex in the fantasy suites because of what Andi said in her interview.  You would have a conversation about the kind of ring you would want in the real world with someone with whom you were about to be engaged.  For a lot of people, you would have sex before an engagement in the real world.  I think Andi was trying to figure out which relationship she wanted and she compartmentalized the two during the process.  So, she tried to do the kinds of things that she would do in a relationship where someone was about to propose with BOTH Nick and Josh.  I think she felt that going through that complete process was the only way she would know for sure that she had made the best decision possible for herself.  I don't think she was diminishing either relationship at the time, and in fact, I think it's a testament for how much more she felt for Josh that he surpassed a very real relationship with Nick.  

I think, at the end of the day, the proof will be in the pudding.  If Andi and Josh have a long, successful relationship, this week will be just a blip on an otherwise beautiful time.  And, I'm secretly hoping that Nick becomes The Bachelor so we can see how he behaves when the shoe's on the other foot.  Although, then I'd be secretly hoping that all of his F3 turn him down in the fantasy suite out of fear that they'd be outed on national TV.  

Yup, I ain't no  

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