Re: Josh Murray Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* Updates - Discussion - Thread #11

[Jolena]

I feel bad for Josh, I just do. When I was watching GMA this morning, and they brought up Nick, he looked uncomfortable. I know everyone wants to think he's fine and dandy with everything, but I don't know, I saw him kind of clench his mouth and look down and I think it still bothers him, the whole thing. And I'm sure he's also upset with Nick for calling Andi out like that.

The thing that still bothers me, after watching the ATFR again, is something Nick said. He told Andi that since she knew he was in love with her, he felt she was cavalier about the whole thing in the fantasy suite. He said he had no expectations about that night and he point blank said, "why did you make love to me." He didn't say they made love, he put it on her, like she was the one who initiated it.

The whole thing makes me feel like her whole speech to Josh at the engagement falls flat. If she was madly in love with him from the start, even if she was unsure it was going to be him in the end, she shouldn't have slept with Nick. In fact she shouldn't have slept with either one imo, if it came down to the last day for her to make her decision. I guess that's a personal decision but if you want the end result to be an engagement, at that point, shouldn't you  show respect to the one you hope to end up with.

Maybe I'm old fashioned or just spoiled from Sean's wonderful season, but this season which I loved so much has ended in a disappointment for me. As much as I hope this couple makes it, I just can't look at Andi the same way. I hope she doesn't break Josh's heart.

 

Per the bold, this seems to be a pattern with Nick.  He acted like a jerk with the guys and then played the victim card around Andi. He favorites horrible tweets and then says he didn't realize he did it or he didn't read the entire tweet. GMAB.  Like I said last night, Nick was is the FS with his pants around his ankles too. Also, we didn't see much of Andi and Nick's last conversation.  Listening to the plane video it seems that Andi had a lot more to say to him that we weren't privy to.
  IMO he's just a spiteful guy.  He wanted to make sure that Josh knew he slept with her in the FS.   So glad that Andi came clean with Josh before hand.  If Josh is OK about it then I am too.  I can only imagine the emotions and fears that swirl around being in such an odd environment.  Even though Andi made a bad choice sleeping with him (you know she's kicking herself in the butt for it) I still believe she has been one of the best leads this franchise has seen.   She tried her hardest not to let those initial feelings she had for Josh grow,but Josh's mojo proved too strong for her to ignore.  I totally get it!!

Josh had the last fantasy suite date and was the last person she slept with prior to her engagement. Apparently in the end Nick didn't have what it TAKES to get the girl and "finish the drill" :hidingchair ( After sleeping with a hunk like Josh. I mean come on. ) I agree with momma murray , All that really matters ( especially in a fast dating situation like this ) is what happens once that ring was placed on her finger.   

[luvlady345]

If you're Josh, do you not question any of this? Her being so unsure of him all along, and deciding the day he proposed that she must be in love with him, then finding out she slept with the other man? I just don't get how that goes away, but maybe it will because he just loves her so much.

Not meaning to be blunt, but how many Bachelor/rette have you watched?  They all say that they just decided and ALMOST ALL OF THEM sleep with the F3-F1 that goes for the male and female lead...... Trista slept wit Charlie, Ashley slept with Ben IMO, and Ali said that she would have slept with Frank if he hadn't left.....  They are on a dating show dating multiple people it's not RL, if these people can't handle that their fiancé might sleep with other people while on this show, then they shouldn't apply...IMO....

Well actually I've watched every single one, and I know most of them say that, but I don't think it's always true. In Andi's case, I think she did decide at the last minute.

Not all of them sleep with people in the FS. There is no proof Trista slept with Charlie, did either one of them admit to that? Des didn't sleep with Chris, Sean didn't sleep with anyone, I'm sure there have been others.

Seriously not sleeping with anyone in the FS is not the norm, I don't judge those who do or those who don't... But they are consenting adults who are in abnormal dating situation, Andi and Josh seem to be just fan it's the fans who are having a fit,,,,

[Guest]

Not meaning to be blunt, but how many Bachelor/rette have you watched?  They all say that they just decided and ALMOST ALL OF THEM sleep with the F3-F1 that goes for the male and female lead...... Trista slept wit Charlie, Ashley slept with Ben IMO, and Ali said that she would have slept with Frank if he hadn't left.....  They are on a dating show dating multiple people it's not RL, if these people can't handle that their fiancé might sleep with other people while on this show, then they shouldn't apply...IMO....

Well actually I've watched every single one, and I know most of them say that, but I don't think it's always true. In Andi's case, I think she did decide at the last minute.

Not all of them sleep with people in the FS. There is no proof Trista slept with Charlie, did either one of them admit to that? Des didn't sleep with Chris, Sean didn't sleep with anyone, I'm sure there have been others.

YES, Trista did admit sleeping with Charlie...........

When and where did she admit this? I have been following them from the beginning and only remember rumors about this, but never heard her admit it.

If true, it explains why Ryan has so many trust issues with her, on that Marriage Boot Camp he talked about it a lot and said it was about his ex. Now I'm wondering if there's more to it. Uggh. this is not my day to be a Bachelor/Bachelorette fan.

[Alanna]

Not meaning to be blunt, but how many Bachelor/rette have you watched?  They all say that they just decided and ALMOST ALL OF THEM sleep with the F3-F1 that goes for the male and female lead...... Trista slept wit Charlie, Ashley slept with Ben IMO, and Ali said that she would have slept with Frank if he hadn't left.....  They are on a dating show dating multiple people it's not RL, if these people can't handle that their fiancé might sleep with other people while on this show, then they shouldn't apply...IMO....

Well actually I've watched every single one, and I know most of them say that, but I don't think it's always true. In Andi's case, I think she did decide at the last minute.

Not all of them sleep with people in the FS. There is no proof Trista slept with Charlie, did either one of them admit to that? Des didn't sleep with Chris, Sean didn't sleep with anyone, I'm sure there have been others.

Seriously not sleeping with anyone in the FS is not the norm, I don't judge those who do or those who don't...  But they are consenting adults who are in abnormal dating situation, Andi and Josh seem to be just fan it's the fans who are having a fit,,,,

Yes I don't think Josh was like, "wtg baby, so proud!" but he's clearly fine and enjoys "trying to get her pregnant" and all this stuff. Josh is The Man, #dawgsontop, etc.

[Dixie Pines]

Need a confidence boost in our sweet Jodi? Just rewatch Jimmy Kimmel. They are so precious on there - not letting anything diminish their happiness!!! Ready for the wedding!!! 

[Guest]

Well actually I've watched every single one, and I know most of them say that, but I don't think it's always true. In Andi's case, I think she did decide at the last minute.

Not all of them sleep with people in the FS. There is no proof Trista slept with Charlie, did either one of them admit to that? Des didn't sleep with Chris, Sean didn't sleep with anyone, I'm sure there have been others.

Seriously not sleeping with anyone in the FS is not the norm, I don't judge those who do or those who don't...  But they are consenting adults who are in abnormal dating situation, Andi and Josh seem to be just fan it's the fans who are having a fit,,,,

Yes I don't think Josh was like, "wtg baby, so proud!" but he's clearly fine and enjoys "trying to get her pregnant" and all this stuff. Josh is The Man, #dawgsontop, etc.

#dawgsontop #honeybadgerdontcareneitherdoesJosh.   I don't think it phases him at all. True, any guy would be uncomfortable when it's brought up, but I honestly do not believe he dwells on that one bit with how excited he seems for a bright future and a loving family.

JOSH IS THE ONE YALL!!!! Let's get back to the lovin shall we?

[GrahamGal]

Seriously not sleeping with anyone in the FS is not the norm, I don't judge those who do or those who don't...  But they are consenting adults who are in abnormal dating situation, Andi and Josh seem to be just fan it's the fans who are having a fit,,,,

Yes I don't think Josh was like, "wtg baby, so proud!" but he's clearly fine and enjoys "trying to get her pregnant" and all this stuff. Josh is The Man, #dawgsontop, etc.

#dawgsontop #honeybadgerdontcareneitherdoesJosh.   I don't think it phases him at all. True, any guy would be uncomfortable when it's brought up, but I honestly do not believe he dwells on that one bit with how excited he seems for a bright future and a loving family.

JOSH IS THE ONE YALL!!!! Let's get back to the lovin shall we?

   

[Jolena]

I think she was just horny and Nick was her first overnight.   Nothing about being unsure or keeping Nick in her pocket.

I agree. Another way to look at it is, Hey she tried it and didn't like it, Nick basically told everyone that he isn't good in bed  :hidingchair    "I would think an important part of marriage."    on the other hand "Josh was able to seal the deal, and bring the gal home". now THAT's the real MAN! jmho   

[kdubs_ca]

Well actually I've watched every single one, and I know most of them say that, but I don't think it's always true. In Andi's case, I think she did decide at the last minute.

Not all of them sleep with people in the FS. There is no proof Trista slept with Charlie, did either one of them admit to that? Des didn't sleep with Chris, Sean didn't sleep with anyone, I'm sure there have been others.

Seriously not sleeping with anyone in the FS is not the norm, I don't judge those who do or those who don't...  But they are consenting adults who are in abnormal dating situation, Andi and Josh seem to be just fan it's the fans who are having a fit,,,,

Yes I don't think Josh was like, "wtg baby, so proud!" but he's clearly fine and enjoys "trying to get her pregnant" and all this stuff. Josh is The Man, #dawgsontop, etc.

Because I'm emotionally a 12-year-old boy, I can't stop laughing at #dawgsontop after last nights multiple, clears throat, disclosures. You know, I think, technically, if they want to get serious about the baby making it should be #lsutigersontop. Or is that an old wife's tale?

[Emilia23_12]

I think she was just horny and Nick was her first overnight.   Nothing about being unsure or keeping Nick in her pocket.

  Wish there was a LIKE button here...  LOL!  

Well, what do we expect after months of kissing?  

My Granny always says never buy a new car without testdriving    

[Dixie Pines]

I'd like our focus to get back to the ribbons!!! How are we going to find out about them? They both have a story (the yellow and the purple), and we just HAVE to know it!!! LOL!!!!

[cindebugg]

I really would like to know why Nick called her out. If you go back and look at that part of the ATFR, he is physically shaking and it looks like he is having a tough time getting the words out. Did he want to say it or did the producers lead him to believe he had to say it to get the answers he wanted? As much as Nick wasn't my favorite this season, I think he regretted saying it as soon as he said it. I hope he wasn't talked into it, but this is a show trying to produce drama and that segment lasted way too long.

I wish I didn't know that she slept with Nick. Even if there were rumors, I would rather not have confirmation of them.

I know Josh will get past it, because that's the kind of guy he seems to be. But what is crazy to me is that I wanted her to pick him all season and this morning I'm not so happy she did. Because if she hadn't of picked him, he most likely would be the next Bachelor. And I'm shocked I'm even saying that because I loved/love them together. But I'm just nervous that things might not work out. I wish I wasn't, but I am. I want Josh to be happy, and that's the biggest reason I'm still going to root for this couple.

I think Nick said that because she was giving him zero emotion and gave him zero closure both when she dumped him and at the ATFR. She barely smiled, was stone cold and just said that he deserved love that was reciprocated.  Everyone deserves that! I think he was frustrated with her lack of emotion and how closed up she was and he went there.  I think if she had been a little more compassionate he wouldn't have.

I think if Josh is like JP and doesn't dwell on this info then he's a good dude.

From what Nick said in the plane video their last conversation consisted of more than what we were allowed to see.  It's entirely possible that when Nick started arguing with her and started planting those seeds of doubt about Josh she shut the conversation down.

I really don't know what people expected of Andi at the ATFR.  In the last 2.5 months this guy has spoiled the ending of the show, talked sh** about Andi's chosen one, followed her to Mexico and LA, wrote her a longwinded letter and used his twitter to try to get her attention.   He's lucky she didn't kick him square in the family jewels.  It's no wonder she was shut down.  I don't think Nick showed her any compassion and he clearly has trouble with boundries. IMO

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