Re: Josh Murray Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* Updates - Discussion - Thread #11

[vivi2]

I think I may need to be the only member in an Andi fan forum.  Am I a total cynic in thinking that the FANTASY suites are for fulfilling certain kinds of fantasies?  I assume that most couples who go to the Fantasy Suites do it to do it, to be blunt.  The slut shaming in the media bothers me a ton.  Juan Pablo flat out said to Clare that he didn't love her, but loved f***ing her, and yet the outrage for Andi seems more severe.  

I actually think that Andi behaved exactly how most of us have always claimed we want the leads to act: to be open to all possibilities in even the most intimate of ways to find the best possible love match at the end.  I think that's exactly what Andi did, and I think the strength of the relationship on display now indicates that she made the best possible choice for her.  Maybe she doesn't make that choice if she doesn't explore all possibilities fully?  

Andi has made a remarkable choice, in my mind.  Josh is full of joy, strength, sunshine.  I know lots has been written about how that was the easier choice for her, but I think the opposite.  She picked someone who was so unlike her and made her feel differently than anyone before; I think that is scary as hell.  

I didn't love her demeanor at the ATFR, but I also didn't love that they made her sit on the couch next to a shifty eyed creeper who'd been stalking her around the globe.  I'd be uncomfortable too!

  DITTO, love Andi!!!!!!!

Yeah, not all of her actions are super duper great and do I think I want to high-five her for all of them? No, but I love her anyway! She was a great lead, she made a great choice, and she's so much better than watching Des and Ali and Ashley and Deanna and Jill cry and cry over men who had no interest in them. I'm an Andi fangirl just for how she handled this season and her harem.

I agree. 100%

[laurentx]

One last thought from me on the FS dates.. unless The Bachelorette does a Sean and says she is celibate, you will always know who her F1 is by the date order.. she will never have her F1 date first because the producers know she will not sleep with the others afterward.

Josh may be okay with everything, but had Andi slept with him first and then Nick? Don't think he could ever get past that scenario.

[Dixie Pines]

One last thought from me on the FS dates.. unless The Bachelorette does a Sean and says she is celibate, you will always know who her F1 is by the date order.. she will never have her F1 date first because the producers know she will not sleep with the others afterward.

Josh may be okay with everything, but had Andi slept with him first and then Nick?  Don't think he could ever get past that scenario.  

Great point, Lauren!!!

[Di_ATL]

 

I really would like to know why Nick called her out. If you go back and look at that part of the ATFR, he is physically shaking and it looks like he is having a tough time getting the words out. Did he want to say it or did the producers lead him to believe he had to say it to get the answers he wanted? As much as Nick wasn't my favorite this season, I think he regretted saying it as soon as he said it. I hope he wasn't talked into it, but this is a show trying to produce drama and that segment lasted way too long.

I wish I didn't know that she slept with Nick. Even if there were rumors, I would rather not have confirmation of them.

I know Josh will get past it, because that's the kind of guy he seems to be. But what is crazy to me is that I wanted her to pick him all season and this morning I'm not so happy she did. Because if she hadn't of picked him, he most likely would be the next Bachelor. And I'm shocked I'm even saying that because I loved/love them together. But I'm just nervous that things might not work out. I wish I wasn't, but I am. I want Josh to be happy, and that's the biggest reason I'm still going to root for this couple.

I think Nick said that because she was giving him zero emotion and gave him zero closure both when she dumped him and at the ATFR. She barely smiled, was stone cold and just said that he deserved love that was reciprocated.  Everyone deserves that! I think he was frustrated with her lack of emotion and how closed up she was and he went there.  I think if she had been a little more compassionate he wouldn't have.

I think if Josh is like JP and doesn't dwell on this info then he's a good dude.

From what Nick said in the plane video their last conversation consisted of more than what we were allowed to see.  It's entirely possible that when Nick started arguing with her and started planting those seeds of doubt about Josh she shut the conversation down.

I really don't know what people expected of Andi at the ATFR.  In the last 2.5 months this guy has spoiled the ending of the show, talked sh** about Andi's chosen one, followed her to Mexico and LA, wrote her a longwinded letter and used his twitter to try to get her attention.   He's lucky she didn't kick him square in the family jewels.  It's no wonder she was shut down.  I don't think Nick showed her any compassion and he clearly has trouble with boundries. IMO

Perfectly stated. ITA clearly he had no boundries, he knew full well that the only time you get any sense of closure is at the AFTR, and he wouldn't accept that to make the attempts prior to and to discredit the fact that she was a happily engaged woman during his entire persuit post show.   

[Dixie Pines]

 

I think Nick said that because she was giving him zero emotion and gave him zero closure both when she dumped him and at the ATFR. She barely smiled, was stone cold and just said that he deserved love that was reciprocated.  Everyone deserves that! I think he was frustrated with her lack of emotion and how closed up she was and he went there.  I think if she had been a little more compassionate he wouldn't have.

I think if Josh is like JP and doesn't dwell on this info then he's a good dude.

From what Nick said in the plane video their last conversation consisted of more than what we were allowed to see.  It's entirely possible that when Nick started arguing with her and started planting those seeds of doubt about Josh she shut the conversation down.

I really don't know what people expected of Andi at the ATFR.  In the last 2.5 months this guy has spoiled the ending of the show, talked sh** about Andi's chosen one, followed her to Mexico and LA, wrote her a longwinded letter and used his twitter to try to get her attention.   He's lucky she didn't kick him square in the family jewels.  It's no wonder she was shut down.  I don't think Nick showed her any compassion and he clearly has trouble with boundries. IMO

Perfectly stated. ITA clearly he had no boundries, he knew full well that the only time you get any sense of closure is at the AFTR, and he wouldn't accept that to make the attempts prior to and to discredit the fact that she was a happily engaged woman during his entire persuit post show.     

The guys said that he "studied" the past shows and knew what all was happening next. He should've been fully aware of how it all worked.

[BachfanNY]

I think I may need to be the only member in an Andi fan forum.  Am I a total cynic in thinking that the FANTASY suites are for fulfilling certain kinds of fantasies?  I assume that most couples who go to the Fantasy Suites do it to do it, to be blunt.  The slut shaming in the media bothers me a ton.  Juan Pablo flat out said to Clare that he didn't love her, but loved f***ing her, and yet the outrage for Andi seems more severe.  

I actually think that Andi behaved exactly how most of us have always claimed we want the leads to act: to be open to all possibilities in even the most intimate of ways to find the best possible love match at the end.  I think that's exactly what Andi did, and I think the strength of the relationship on display now indicates that she made the best possible choice for her.  Maybe she doesn't make that choice if she doesn't explore all possibilities fully?  

Andi has made a remarkable choice, in my mind.  Josh is full of joy, strength, sunshine.  I know lots has been written about how that was the easier choice for her, but I think the opposite.  She picked someone who was so unlike her and made her feel differently than anyone before; I think that is scary as hell.  

I didn't love her demeanor at the ATFR, but I also didn't love that they made her sit on the couch next to a shifty eyed creeper who'd been stalking her around the globe.  I'd be uncomfortable too!

You are not alone! I thought Andi was their best lead yet. She most probably thought Josh was Brooks and Nick was her Chris. I'd over-analyze 'till the 12th hour too! When she finally threw in the towel and stopped fighting it she exhaled so many times that it threw off my own breathing rhythm, I felt like we were helping her push a baby out. This is the first time that we see a couple with all their imperfections and differences that are still so compatible and so right for each other literally from night 1.

[laurentx]

I really would like to know why Nick called her out. If you go back and look at that part of the ATFR, he is physically shaking and it looks like he is having a tough time getting the words out. Did he want to say it or did the producers lead him to believe he had to say it to get the answers he wanted? As much as Nick wasn't my favorite this season, I think he regretted saying it as soon as he said it. I hope he wasn't talked into it, but this is a show trying to produce drama and that segment lasted way too long.

I wish I didn't know that she slept with Nick. Even if there were rumors, I would rather not have confirmation of them.

I know Josh will get past it, because that's the kind of guy he seems to be. But what is crazy to me is that I wanted her to pick him all season and this morning I'm not so happy she did. Because if she hadn't of picked him, he most likely would be the next Bachelor. And I'm shocked I'm even saying that because I loved/love them together. But I'm just nervous that things might not work out. I wish I wasn't, but I am. I want Josh to be happy, and that's the biggest reason I'm still going to root for this couple.

I think Nick said that because she was giving him zero emotion and gave him zero closure both when she dumped him and at the ATFR. She barely smiled, was stone cold and just said that he deserved love that was reciprocated.  Everyone deserves that! I think he was frustrated with her lack of emotion and how closed up she was and he went there.  I think if she had been a little more compassionate he wouldn't have.

I think if Josh is like JP and doesn't dwell on this info then he's a good dude.

From what Nick said in the plane video their last conversation consisted of more than what we were allowed to see.  It's entirely possible that when Nick started arguing with her and started planting those seeds of doubt about Josh she shut the conversation down.

I really don't know what people expected of Andi at the ATFR.  In the last 2.5 months this guy has spoiled the ending of the show, talked sh** about Andi's chosen one, followed her to Mexico and LA, wrote her a longwinded letter and used his twitter to try to get her attention.   He's lucky she didn't kick him square in the family jewels.  It's no wonder she was shut down.  I don't think Nick showed her any compassion and he clearly has trouble with boundries. IMO

ITA!   She'll be gracious but don't think she'll want to talk about him again.. Watching this season back I'm sure she was disappointed with his PI's and relationship with the other guys, and how he dissed Josh in the plane video - even before the events of last night.

[rc49ers]

I can not believe What icky did , If that's how he treats someone he claims to deeply Loved then I wouldn't want to be on his friends list . No class to say it nicely .
Andi and Josh are just fine and have Family and friends support and that all they need .
Besides ( us) that is .  

[Guest]

I really would like to know why Nick called her out. If you go back and look at that part of the ATFR, he is physically shaking and it looks like he is having a tough time getting the words out. Did he want to say it or did the producers lead him to believe he had to say it to get the answers he wanted? As much as Nick wasn't my favorite this season, I think he regretted saying it as soon as he said it. I hope he wasn't talked into it, but this is a show trying to produce drama and that segment lasted way too long.

I wish I didn't know that she slept with Nick. Even if there were rumors, I would rather not have confirmation of them.

I know Josh will get past it, because that's the kind of guy he seems to be. But what is crazy to me is that I wanted her to pick him all season and this morning I'm not so happy she did. Because if she hadn't of picked him, he most likely would be the next Bachelor. And I'm shocked I'm even saying that because I loved/love them together. But I'm just nervous that things might not work out. I wish I wasn't, but I am. I want Josh to be happy, and that's the biggest reason I'm still going to root for this couple.

I think Nick said that because she was giving him zero emotion and gave him zero closure both when she dumped him and at the ATFR. She barely smiled, was stone cold and just said that he deserved love that was reciprocated.  Everyone deserves that! I think he was frustrated with her lack of emotion and how closed up she was and he went there.  I think if she had been a little more compassionate he wouldn't have.

I think if Josh is like JP and doesn't dwell on this info then he's a good dude.

From what Nick said in the plane video their last conversation consisted of more than what we were allowed to see.  It's entirely possible that when Nick started arguing with her and started planting those seeds of doubt about Josh she shut the conversation down.

I really don't know what people expected of Andi at the ATFR.  In the last 2.5 months this guy has spoiled the ending of the show, talked sh** about Andi's chosen one, followed her to Mexico and LA, wrote her a longwinded letter and used his twitter to try to get her attention.   He's lucky she didn't kick him square in the family jewels.  It's no wonder she was shut down.  I don't think Nick showed her any compassion and he clearly has trouble with boundries. IMO

Totally agree. it is creepy IMO and him still trying to downplay her relationship with Josh   He has no understanding of boundaries.

[GrahamGal]

I'd like our focus to get back to the ribbons!!! How are we going to find out about them? They both have a story (the yellow and the purple), and we just HAVE to know it!!! LOL!!!!

Not sure if you saw this as I posted it in the other thread. Answer is coming.

@LindaI26 I got the answers about the ribbons!

— Robyn Ross (@RobynRossTVG) July 29, 2014

[vivi2]

TB is famous for the sex in FS. Except for Sean, most people go on the show will have sex, nothing is new. I don't know for sure if Andi had sex w/Nick or not, I don't really care.  If Nick watched the show, he should know that until the lead says ILY, he can go home anytime.  And "stuff" from the FS s/b kept private.  Honestly, I don't think Nick loved Andi at all, because you don't shame the person you love on national TV.  I still like Nick but I don't respect him now.  

Be a Man like Lindsay and learn how to deal with breakup from her, it will come in handy for any future relationships.

[Guest]

When is Robyn Ross supposed to be telling us?

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