Re: Josh Murray Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* Updates - Discussion - Thread #11

[Guest]

On Access Hollywood, Billy Bush said that he was suppose to interview Josh and Andi before the show, not sure if it was suppose to be a telephone call or on camera. He said that he told them he had a lot of questions, but they said they didn't have a lot of time, so they didn't do the interview yet. Wonder if they will...

[Guest]

I think I may need to be the only member in an Andi fan forum.  Am I a total cynic in thinking that the FANTASY suites are for fulfilling certain kinds of fantasies?  I assume that most couples who go to the Fantasy Suites do it to do it, to be blunt.  The slut shaming in the media bothers me a ton.  Juan Pablo flat out said to Clare that he didn't love her, but loved f***ing her, and yet the outrage for Andi seems more severe.  

I actually think that Andi behaved exactly how most of us have always claimed we want the leads to act: to be open to all possibilities in even the most intimate of ways to find the best possible love match at the end.  I think that's exactly what Andi did, and I think the strength of the relationship on display now indicates that she made the best possible choice for her.  Maybe she doesn't make that choice if she doesn't explore all possibilities fully?  

Andi has made a remarkable choice, in my mind.  Josh is full of joy, strength, sunshine.  I know lots has been written about how that was the easier choice for her, but I think the opposite.  She picked someone who was so unlike her and made her feel differently than anyone before; I think that is scary as hell.  

I didn't love her demeanor at the ATFR, but I also didn't love that they made her sit on the couch next to a shifty eyed creeper who'd been stalking her around the globe.  I'd be uncomfortable too!

  Most people test drive a car before they buy it, don't they. I really like Andi, IMO, the best bachelorette so far and together with Josh it's   

[Spencer81]

I think she was just horny and Nick was her first overnight.   Nothing about being unsure or keeping Nick in her pocket.

Wish there was a LIKE button here... LOL!

[luvlady345]

Docnash, I hear what you are saying and that is a great point.  My gut is telling me she knew it was Josh from the minute he stepped out in the limo..  And when he was telling her how he felt from the first date they had and she kept making him open up more and more.. she knew he was the one.  Makes me REALLY wonder why she took Nick to bed.  I guess she is from the NEW generation and hookups maybe what is normal. .  Never thinking Nick would talk about it.  It especially surprises me after what happened with Juan P, so maybe she is just that way... no big deal.. eezzz okaaaaay

If you're Josh, do you not question any of this? Her being so unsure of him all along, and deciding the day he proposed that she must be in love with him, then finding out she slept with the other man? I just don't get how that goes away, but maybe it will because he just loves her so much.

Not meaning to be blunt, but how many Bachelor/rette have you watched? They all say that they just decided and ALMOST ALL OF THEM sleep with the F3-F1 that goes for the male and female lead...... Trista slept wit Charlie, Ashley slept with Ben IMO, and Ali said that she would have slept with Frank if he hadn't left..... They are on a dating show dating multiple people it's not RL, if these people can't handle that their fiancé might sleep with other people while on this show, then they shouldn't apply...IMO....

[laurentx]

When Andi went to Nick's room to send him home, he insinutated then that they had been intimate.  I don't remember his exact words but I remember him referring to the water.  I was thinking, did they have sex in the water?  Anyway, I thought right away that they had sex during FSD.. then he made a few more statements on stage again last night that led me to believe they had done it, and was going to let people draw their own conclusions.

But then when she told him she was never in love with him, I think that pushed him over the edge and it came out.  I believe if she would have said something more like "I thought I was falling in love but was confused"  or even "I had very strong feelings for you but felt stronger for Josh" he wouldn't have said it.  But he was bitter, and she hurt his ego.

I said all along that ATFR was going to be ugly with Nick, that he would be bitter.  Wish I would have been wrong.  I'm past it though, and Andi & Josh will be fine.. just an embarrassment for their parents/grandparents.

[docnash14]

Docnash, I hear what you are saying and that is a great point.  My gut is telling me she knew it was Josh from the minute he stepped out in the limo..  And when he was telling her how he felt from the first date they had and she kept making him open up more and more.. she knew he was the one.  Makes me REALLY wonder why she took Nick to bed.  I guess she is from the NEW generation and hookups maybe what is normal. .  Never thinking Nick would talk about it.  It especially surprises me after what happened with Juan P, so maybe she is just that way... no big deal.. eezzz okaaaaay

Your gut matches up with mine as I have said frequently that I saw their special attraction from the get-go. Further, her words during the proposal match up what she said in an interview post-filming when asked if she believed at love at first sight - that she might very well look back and realize that she fell in love when he first stepped out of the limo. I am in agreement with Alanna that her fear led to her over-analyzing which led to her continued uncertainty which apparently led to her keeping her options open with Nick until close to the end.

[Luvvy]

I think I may need to be the only member in an Andi fan forum.  Am I a total cynic in thinking that the FANTASY suites are for fulfilling certain kinds of fantasies?  I assume that most couples who go to the Fantasy Suites do it to do it, to be blunt.  The slut shaming in the media bothers me a ton.  Juan Pablo flat out said to Clare that he didn't love her, but loved f***ing her, and yet the outrage for Andi seems more severe.  

I actually think that Andi behaved exactly how most of us have always claimed we want the leads to act: to be open to all possibilities in even the most intimate of ways to find the best possible love match at the end.  I think that's exactly what Andi did, and I think the strength of the relationship on display now indicates that she made the best possible choice for her.  Maybe she doesn't make that choice if she doesn't explore all possibilities fully?  

Andi has made a remarkable choice, in my mind.  Josh is full of joy, strength, sunshine.  I know lots has been written about how that was the easier choice for her, but I think the opposite.  She picked someone who was so unlike her and made her feel differently than anyone before; I think that is scary as hell.  

I didn't love her demeanor at the ATFR, but I also didn't love that they made her sit on the couch next to a shifty eyed creeper who'd been stalking her around the globe.  I'd be uncomfortable too!

  DITTO, love Andi!!!!!!!

Yeah, not all of her actions are super duper great and do I think I want to high-five her for all of them? No, but I love her anyway! She was a great lead, she made a great choice, and she's so much better than watching Des and Ali and Ashley and Deanna and Jill cry and cry over men who had no interest in them. I'm an Andi fangirl just for how she handled this season and her harem.

AMEN to the bold part. I'm easing up on Andi a little too. I feel kind of bad for her and I haven't been her biggest supporter, but I think we or me sometimes have a romanticized view that the guy or girl in the end is the only one privvy to certain things i.e. making love/sex, whatever. That's just not the case and it isn't real life especially on a show like this.

[Guest]

Docnash, I hear what you are saying and that is a great point.  My gut is telling me she knew it was Josh from the minute he stepped out in the limo..  And when he was telling her how he felt from the first date they had and she kept making him open up more and more.. she knew he was the one.  Makes me REALLY wonder why she took Nick to bed.  I guess she is from the NEW generation and hookups maybe what is normal. .  Never thinking Nick would talk about it.  It especially surprises me after what happened with Juan P, so maybe she is just that way... no big deal.. eezzz okaaaaay

If you're Josh, do you not question any of this? Her being so unsure of him all along, and deciding the day he proposed that she must be in love with him, then finding out she slept with the other man? I just don't get how that goes away, but maybe it will because he just loves her so much.

Not meaning to be blunt, but how many Bachelor/rette have you watched?  They all say that they just decided and ALMOST ALL OF THEM sleep with the F3-F1 that goes for the male and female lead...... Trista slept wit Charlie, Ashley slept with Ben IMO, and Ali said that she would have slept with Frank if he hadn't left.....  They are on a dating show dating multiple people it's not RL, if these people can't handle that their fiancé might sleep with other people while on this show, then they shouldn't apply...IMO....

Well actually I've watched every single one, and I know most of them say that, but I don't think it's always true. In Andi's case, I think she did decide at the last minute.

Not all of them sleep with people in the FS. There is no proof Trista slept with Charlie, did either one of them admit to that? Des didn't sleep with Chris, Sean didn't sleep with anyone, I'm sure there have been others.

[ThankMeLater]

On Access Hollywood, Billy Bush said that he was suppose to interview Josh and Andi before the show, not sure if it was suppose to be a telephone call or on camera. He said that he told them he had a lot of questions, but they said they didn't have a lot of time, so they didn't do the interview yet. Wonder if they will...

I really hope they don't do a interview with him...he was team nick and agreed with nick regarding his comment about sleeping with her  

[Guest]

I think she was just horny and Nick was her first overnight.   Nothing about being unsure or keeping Nick in her pocket.

  Wish there was a LIKE button here...  LOL!  

Well, what do we expect after months of kissing?  

[luvlady345]

If you're Josh, do you not question any of this? Her being so unsure of him all along, and deciding the day he proposed that she must be in love with him, then finding out she slept with the other man? I just don't get how that goes away, but maybe it will because he just loves her so much.

Not meaning to be blunt, but how many Bachelor/rette have you watched?  They all say that they just decided and ALMOST ALL OF THEM sleep with the F3-F1 that goes for the male and female lead...... Trista slept wit Charlie, Ashley slept with Ben IMO, and Ali said that she would have slept with Frank if he hadn't left.....  They are on a dating show dating multiple people it's not RL, if these people can't handle that their fiancé might sleep with other people while on this show, then they shouldn't apply...IMO....

Well actually I've watched every single one, and I know most of them say that, but I don't think it's always true. In Andi's case, I think she did decide at the last minute.

Not all of them sleep with people in the FS. There is no proof Trista slept with Charlie, did either one of them admit to that? Des didn't sleep with Chris, Sean didn't sleep with anyone, I'm sure there have been others.

YES, Trista did admit sleeping with Charlie...........

[GrahamGal]

I feel bad for Josh, I just do. When I was watching GMA this morning, and they brought up Nick, he looked uncomfortable. I know everyone wants to think he's fine and dandy with everything, but I don't know, I saw him kind of clench his mouth and look down and I think it still bothers him, the whole thing. And I'm sure he's also upset with Nick for calling Andi out like that.

The thing that still bothers me, after watching the ATFR again, is something Nick said. He told Andi that since she knew he was in love with her, he felt she was cavalier about the whole thing in the fantasy suite. He said he had no expectations about that night and he point blank said, "why did you make love to me." He didn't say they made love, he put it on her, like she was the one who initiated it.

The whole thing makes me feel like her whole speech to Josh at the engagement falls flat. If she was madly in love with him from the start, even if she was unsure it was going to be him in the end, she shouldn't have slept with Nick. In fact she shouldn't have slept with either one imo, if it came down to the last day for her to make her decision. I guess that's a personal decision but if you want the end result to be an engagement, at that point, shouldn't you  show respect to the one you hope to end up with.

Maybe I'm old fashioned or just spoiled from Sean's wonderful season, but this season which I loved so much has ended in a disappointment for me. As much as I hope this couple makes it, I just can't look at Andi the same way. I hope she doesn't break Josh's heart.

I've been afraid all along that she will hurt Josh..  So dam, if she wouldn't have picked him, I would get to see him Monday nights still!  And I thought she seemed more excited over the big ring..  If I sound bitter, I am alittle..  She is pretty self absorbed.

I don't want to bash Andi, but I honestly thought she looked at the ring more than any other girl ever has on this show. She just kept looking at right after the proposal, almost more than Josh. Such a contract to Sean and Catherine, because Sean said he had to remind Catherine to even look at the ring, because she was so caught up in the excitement of the moment, that she never even looked at it.

Josh was actually asking her about the ring and if she liked it. Did he do good. That is why she was looking at it over and over.

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