Re: Josh Murray Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* Updates - Discussion - Thread #11

[Spencer81]

I feel bad for Josh, I just do. When I was watching GMA this morning, and they brought up Nick, he looked uncomfortable. I know everyone wants to think he's fine and dandy with everything, but I don't know, I saw him kind of clench his mouth and look down and I think it still bothers him, the whole thing. And I'm sure he's also upset with Nick for calling Andi out like that.

The thing that still bothers me, after watching the ATFR again, is something Nick said. He told Andi that since she knew he was in love with her, he felt she was cavalier about the whole thing in the fantasy suite. He said he had no expectations about that night and he point blank said, "why did you make love to me." He didn't say they made love, he put it on her, like she was the one who initiated it.

The whole thing makes me feel like her whole speech to Josh at the engagement falls flat. If she was madly in love with him from the start, even if she was unsure it was going to be him in the end, she shouldn't have slept with Nick. In fact she shouldn't have slept with either one imo, if it came down to the last day for her to make her decision. I guess that's a personal decision but if you want the end result to be an engagement, at that point, shouldn't you  show respect to the one you hope to end up with.

Maybe I'm old fashioned or just spoiled from Sean's wonderful season, but this season which I loved so much has ended in a disappointment for me. As much as I hope this couple makes it, I just can't look at Andi the same way. I hope she doesn't break Josh's heart.

I've been afraid all along that she will hurt Josh.. So dam, if she wouldn't have picked him, I would get to see him Monday nights still! And I thought she seemed more excited over the big ring.. If I sound bitter, I am alittle.. She is pretty self absorbed.

[docnash14]

I guess I just feel like it's not this great love story that I thought it was because she was literally so unsure until the last minute. It makes what she said to Josh about falling in love immediately, not seem as genuine to me. And also, her sleeping with Nick, definitely tarnishes the love story for me. JMO of course.

I don't think Andi said she loved him immediately and always knew he was f1, what I understood is that when she met him, she immediately got scared of him and what she was feeling and didn't know what it was. She was all irrational with him all season and couldn't understand what he did to her, it was only the morning the frc that she realized all these crazy feelings are actually love for him. It was only clear to her in hindsight imo, not at m&g. And I think we can see it by her behavior, she was always different with him, always chasing after him, always worried about him, even when she tried to push him away, she couldn't handle it when he was away like during their lie detector drama. So it took her that long to understand what was going on and how afraid she was that she's actually, totally in love with him.

I agree with your interpretation of this, although I also think that Andi is caught between a rock and a hard place. If she reinforces in interviews what she said to Josh during the proposal that it was essentially love at first sight, it tarnishes her reputation having had sex with Nick. So I think it behooves her to believe that she did not find clarity until the morning of the FRC which, of course, was conveniently after she "made love to Nick."

[Alanna]

I guess I just feel like it's not this great love story that I thought it was because she was literally so unsure until the last minute. It makes what she said to Josh about falling in love immediately, not seem as genuine to me. And also, her sleeping with Nick, definitely tarnishes the love story for me. JMO of course.

I don't think Andi said she loved him immediately and always knew he was f1, what I understood is that when she met him, she immediately got scared of him and what she was feeling and didn't know what it was. She was all irrational with him all season and couldn't understand what he did to her, it was only the morning the frc that she realized all these crazy feelings are actually love for him. It was only clear to her in hindsight imo, not at m&g. And I think we can see it by her behavior, she was always different with him, always chasing after him, always worried about him, even when she tried to push him away, she couldn't handle it when he was away like during their lie detector drama. So it took her that long to understand what was going on and how afraid she was that she's actually, totally in love with him.

I agree with your interpretation of this, although I also think that Andi is caught between a rock and a hard place.  If she reinforces in interviews what she said to Josh during the proposal that it was essentially love at first sight, it tarnishes her reputation having had sex with Nick.  So I think it behooves her to believe that she did not find clarity until the morning of the FRC which, of course, was conveniently after she "made love to Nick."

A very, very real reason this all went down imo is that she really didn't trust Josh until the very last moment and needed to keep Nick in her back pocket just in case Josh was going to bail. I think all this drama could have avoided if she let herself believe that Josh was for real about her sooner than she did. She really is an over-analyzing, crazy girl to the extreme

[Jolena]

I really would like to know why Nick called her out. If you go back and look at that part of the ATFR, he is physically shaking and it looks like he is having a tough time getting the words out. Did he want to say it or did the producers lead him to believe he had to say it to get the answers he wanted? As much as Nick wasn't my favorite this season, I think he regretted saying it as soon as he said it. I hope he wasn't talked into it, but this is a show trying to produce drama and that segment lasted way too long.

I wish I didn't know that she slept with Nick. Even if there were rumors, I would rather not have confirmation of them.

I know Josh will get past it, because that's the kind of guy he seems to be. But what is crazy to me is that I wanted her to pick him all season and this morning I'm not so happy she did. Because if she hadn't of picked him, he most likely would be the next Bachelor. And I'm shocked I'm even saying that because I loved/love them together. But I'm just nervous that things might not work out. I wish I wasn't, but I am. I want Josh to be happy, and that's the biggest reason I'm still going to root for this couple.

Nick can't speak in complete sentences . He had a tough time getting every single word out this season , so that dosen't surprise me. He did what no REAL man would do. He has not one ounce of class IMO.

[kdubs_ca]

I think I may need to be the only member in an Andi fan forum.  Am I a total cynic in thinking that the FANTASY suites are for fulfilling certain kinds of fantasies?  I assume that most couples who go to the Fantasy Suites do it to do it, to be blunt.  The slut shaming in the media bothers me a ton.  Juan Pablo flat out said to Clare that he didn't love her, but loved f***ing her, and yet the outrage for Andi seems more severe.  

I actually think that Andi behaved exactly how most of us have always claimed we want the leads to act: to be open to all possibilities in even the most intimate of ways to find the best possible love match at the end.  I think that's exactly what Andi did, and I think the strength of the relationship on display now indicates that she made the best possible choice for her.  Maybe she doesn't make that choice if she doesn't explore all possibilities fully?  

Andi has made a remarkable choice, in my mind.  Josh is full of joy, strength, sunshine.  I know lots has been written about how that was the easier choice for her, but I think the opposite.  She picked someone who was so unlike her and made her feel differently than anyone before; I think that is scary as hell.  

I didn't love her demeanor at the ATFR, but I also didn't love that they made her sit on the couch next to a shifty eyed creeper who'd been stalking her around the globe.  I'd be uncomfortable too!

[Spencer81]

Docnash, I hear what you are saying and that is a great point. My gut is telling me she knew it was Josh from the minute he stepped out in the limo.. And when he was telling her how he felt from the first date they had and she kept making him open up more and more.. she knew he was the one. Makes me REALLY wonder why she took Nick to bed. I guess she is from the NEW generation and hookups maybe what is normal. . Never thinking Nick would talk about it. It especially surprises me after what happened with Juan P, so maybe she is just that way... no big deal.. eezzz okaaaaay

[Guest]

I feel bad for Josh, I just do. When I was watching GMA this morning, and they brought up Nick, he looked uncomfortable. I know everyone wants to think he's fine and dandy with everything, but I don't know, I saw him kind of clench his mouth and look down and I think it still bothers him, the whole thing. And I'm sure he's also upset with Nick for calling Andi out like that.

The thing that still bothers me, after watching the ATFR again, is something Nick said. He told Andi that since she knew he was in love with her, he felt she was cavalier about the whole thing in the fantasy suite. He said he had no expectations about that night and he point blank said, "why did you make love to me." He didn't say they made love, he put it on her, like she was the one who initiated it.

The whole thing makes me feel like her whole speech to Josh at the engagement falls flat. If she was madly in love with him from the start, even if she was unsure it was going to be him in the end, she shouldn't have slept with Nick. In fact she shouldn't have slept with either one imo, if it came down to the last day for her to make her decision. I guess that's a personal decision but if you want the end result to be an engagement, at that point, shouldn't you  show respect to the one you hope to end up with.

Maybe I'm old fashioned or just spoiled from Sean's wonderful season, but this season which I loved so much has ended in a disappointment for me. As much as I hope this couple makes it, I just can't look at Andi the same way. I hope she doesn't break Josh's heart.

I've been afraid all along that she will hurt Josh..  So dam, if she wouldn't have picked him, I would get to see him Monday nights still!  And I thought she seemed more excited over the big ring..  If I sound bitter, I am alittle..  She is pretty self absorbed.

I don't want to bash Andi, but I honestly thought she looked at the ring more than any other girl ever has on this show. She just kept looking at right after the proposal, almost more than Josh. Such a contract to Sean and Catherine, because Sean said he had to remind Catherine to even look at the ring, because she was so caught up in the excitement of the moment, that she never even looked at it.

[luvlady345]

I think I may need to be the only member in an Andi fan forum.  Am I a total cynic in thinking that the FANTASY suites are for fulfilling certain kinds of fantasies?  I assume that most couples who go to the Fantasy Suites do it to do it, to be blunt.  The slut shaming in the media bothers me a ton.  Juan Pablo flat out said to Clare that he didn't love her, but loved f***ing her, and yet the outrage for Andi seems more severe.  

I actually think that Andi behaved exactly how most of us have always claimed we want the leads to act: to be open to all possibilities in even the most intimate of ways to find the best possible love match at the end.  I think that's exactly what Andi did, and I think the strength of the relationship on display now indicates that she made the best possible choice for her.  Maybe she doesn't make that choice if she doesn't explore all possibilities fully?  

Andi has made a remarkable choice, in my mind.  Josh is full of joy, strength, sunshine.  I know lots has been written about how that was the easier choice for her, but I think the opposite.  She picked someone who was so unlike her and made her feel differently than anyone before; I think that is scary as hell.  

I didn't love her demeanor at the ATFR, but I also didn't love that they made her sit on the couch next to a shifty eyed creeper who'd been stalking her around the globe.  I'd be uncomfortable too!

  DITTO, love Andi!!!!!!!

[Guest]

Docnash, I hear what you are saying and that is a great point.  My gut is telling me she knew it was Josh from the minute he stepped out in the limo..  And when he was telling her how he felt from the first date they had and she kept making him open up more and more.. she knew he was the one.  Makes me REALLY wonder why she took Nick to bed.  I guess she is from the NEW generation and hookups maybe what is normal. .  Never thinking Nick would talk about it.  It especially surprises me after what happened with Juan P, so maybe she is just that way... no big deal.. eezzz okaaaaay

If you're Josh, do you not question any of this? Her being so unsure of him all along, and deciding the day he proposed that she must be in love with him, then finding out she slept with the other man? I just don't get how that goes away, but maybe it will because he just loves her so much.

[Dixie Pines]

The guys called it early on - they pegged Nick a schemer. It seems to me that he "worked" Andi and with alcohol flowing so freely as it always is on these shows, I don't judge her. I feel badly for her. We all feel, in this thread, that Josh deserves the best and I honestly feel that Andi will try her hardest to give it to him. What Nick did on national TV was contrived and classless, IMO. I pity him and anyone who gets involved with him in the future. A spiteful person does not make for a good partner.

[docnash14]

I really would like to know why Nick called her out. If you go back and look at that part of the ATFR, he is physically shaking and it looks like he is having a tough time getting the words out. Did he want to say it or did the producers lead him to believe he had to say it to get the answers he wanted? As much as Nick wasn't my favorite this season, I think he regretted saying it as soon as he said it. I hope he wasn't talked into it, but this is a show trying to produce drama and that segment lasted way too long.

I wish I didn't know that she slept with Nick. Even if there were rumors, I would rather not have confirmation of them.

I know Josh will get past it, because that's the kind of guy he seems to be. But what is crazy to me is that I wanted her to pick him all season and this morning I'm not so happy she did. Because if she hadn't of picked him, he most likely would be the next Bachelor. And I'm shocked I'm even saying that because I loved/love them together. But I'm just nervous that things might not work out. I wish I wasn't, but I am. I want Josh to be happy, and that's the biggest reason I'm still going to root for this couple.

Nick can't speak in complete sentences . He had a tough time getting every single word out this season , so that dosen't surprise me. He did what no REAL man would do. He has not one ounce of class IMO.

I actually felt sorry for Nick as he seemed genuinely upset. That being said, I totally don't agree with his decision to disclose what he did (irrespective of his motive). And as much as I understand the need to pursue questions and reach for closure, if he did really follow Andi and Josh to Mexico, that is more than a bit much.

[Alanna]

I think I may need to be the only member in an Andi fan forum.  Am I a total cynic in thinking that the FANTASY suites are for fulfilling certain kinds of fantasies?  I assume that most couples who go to the Fantasy Suites do it to do it, to be blunt.  The slut shaming in the media bothers me a ton.  Juan Pablo flat out said to Clare that he didn't love her, but loved f***ing her, and yet the outrage for Andi seems more severe.  

I actually think that Andi behaved exactly how most of us have always claimed we want the leads to act: to be open to all possibilities in even the most intimate of ways to find the best possible love match at the end.  I think that's exactly what Andi did, and I think the strength of the relationship on display now indicates that she made the best possible choice for her.  Maybe she doesn't make that choice if she doesn't explore all possibilities fully?  

Andi has made a remarkable choice, in my mind.  Josh is full of joy, strength, sunshine.  I know lots has been written about how that was the easier choice for her, but I think the opposite.  She picked someone who was so unlike her and made her feel differently than anyone before; I think that is scary as hell.  

I didn't love her demeanor at the ATFR, but I also didn't love that they made her sit on the couch next to a shifty eyed creeper who'd been stalking her around the globe.  I'd be uncomfortable too!

  DITTO, love Andi!!!!!!!

Yeah, not all of her actions are super duper great and do I think I want to high-five her for all of them? No, but I love her anyway! She was a great lead, she made a great choice, and she's so much better than watching Des and Ali and Ashley and Deanna and Jill cry and cry over men who had no interest in them. I'm an Andi fangirl just for how she handled this season and her harem.

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