Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #6

[Ash2214]

So when did Andi lie? When she said, I never loved you to Nick? When she said to Josh you were always the one? Or when she said she was conflicted until FS in one of her interviews? It's just confusing to some of us who can't excuse her anymore.

What's confusing about it? She explained her words. She knew from the moment she met Josh there was something there, but she was scared and worried that it was too good to be true. She said she knew for certain it was Josh after the FS. In another interview she said looking back on the feeling she had for him the moment he stepped out of the limo was essentially like love at first sight or knowing he would be the one, but she was just too blind or scared to allow her to feel that and she didn't come to terms with those feelings until the FS. According to her and Nick too, Andi never said she loved Nick.

What's confusing to me is, she very well knew it was Josh. He told her and showed her many ways that he wanted her. She knew who he was going into this. I would be surprised if she didn't google him after she saw him at the club.

Even if she wasn't sure until his FS, what's the reasoning for being intimate with Nick? Just in case Josh bolts, I'm going to have sex with Nick? Just in case Josh isn't who he says he is I'm going to have sex with Nick. I'm not in love with him but I'll have sex with him. This doesn't make sense to me. She says post show, she wouldn't be engaged if Josh wasn't on the show, which clearly proves she knew Nick wasn't the F1. He clearly told her how he felt, and what this meant to him, she knew without a doubt, he was not the F1 and choose to do the deed.

To be intimate, knowing all along Nick was not the F1, and showing no respect for Josh who she still had to have a FD with is confusing to me.

I'm glad Sean gave him the opportunity to post his thoughts on men's feelings, that's what this is all about. The understanding that not only men take advantage of women, but women take advantage of men as well.

I completely agree with this. I really do. Each person is different. If I were in Andi's shoes, I wouldn't have slept with Nick. However, I don't know what that experience is like. I personally do think she knew from the beginning it was most likely going to be Josh, but she wasn't 100% positive until the FS.

There's alcohol involved. She was obviously physically attracted to Nick. It's human nature and this was the first time she was alone with a guy for the first time in over a month. On this crazy show, it's really easy to get caught up in the moment. Also, for some people, sex is sex and it's not about the love. This is where I do 100% agree with Nick, I just don't like some things he's done. But when you kind of add up everything I just wrote, it does make it seem more plausible as to why she slept with Nick. In this instance, she might not have been fully thinking about the effects this would have. She was attracted to Nick, she liked him, was probably a little tipsy and caught up in the moment and essentially wanted some action from a guy she was physically attracted to.

Plus, we weren't there. How am I supposed to know the things that were said between the two of them in that suite? Either way, I agree Andi shouldn't have slept with him. They clearly weren't on the same page about what the sex was meaning to them. Andi shouldn't have slept with Nick, but it happened. Nick shouldn't have told millions of people on national television that they had sex, but it happened. However, I strongly believe that two wrongs don't make a right. I just don't like what Nick did.

[Catdwoman50]

I do agree with this, but like I've stated continuously, it would not have gone public if Nick didn't say they had sex.

I disagree,  there are several actions Andi could have taken for this to not come to light: 1) not sleep with Nick, 2) talked to him prior to ATFR, or 3) acknowledge her feelings for him but more for Josh during AFTR, or a different POV on sex, or 4) be patronizing Andi (act one more time and pretend to have compassion) iMO

Well now I have to respectfully disagree with the bold part. 1: They were both in on it  2: She thought that when he saw the whole season he would have a better understanding. (As most of all the other runner-ups have had) Nick contacted ABC and they would never let this talk be in private. She waited until ATFR so that he would have seen all episodes. 3/4. She did say that they had a good relationship but the one she had with Josh was greater. She said she let him go early out of respect for him. What else was she supposed to do? It was CH who asked her if she ever was in love with Nick and she answered that she never was IN love. I think she had strong feelings but they didn't lead to IN love.

Andi had heard what Nick said on the plane, what he said about "the dog Murray", what he said in that extra segment when he delivered the letter..... before she got on stage. She knew that he had tried to meet her at several occasions. I wouldn't feel relaxed in that kind of situation.

I would have wished that ABC had hired a good therapist for him instead of encouraging his behavior just for ratings. He needed help and that was ABC's responsibility not Andi's. IMO

I think we finally agree that THiS ToPiC is a consequence of their actions (both their actions not just one or the other).

[Guest]

What's confusing about it? She explained her words. She knew from the moment she met Josh there was something there, but she was scared and worried that it was too good to be true. She said she knew for certain it was Josh after the FS. In another interview she said looking back on the feeling she had for him the moment he stepped out of the limo was essentially like love at first sight or knowing he would be the one, but she was just too blind or scared to allow her to feel that and she didn't come to terms with those feelings until the FS. According to her and Nick too, Andi never said she loved Nick.

What's confusing to me is, she very well knew it was Josh. He told her and showed her many ways that he wanted her. She knew who he was going into this. I would be surprised if she didn't google him after she saw him at the club.

Even if she wasn't sure until his FS, what's the reasoning for being intimate with Nick? Just in case Josh bolts, I'm going to have sex with Nick? Just in case Josh isn't who he says he is I'm going to have sex with Nick. I'm not in love with him but I'll have sex with him. This doesn't make sense to me. She says post show, she wouldn't be engaged if Josh wasn't on the show, which clearly proves she knew Nick wasn't the F1. He clearly told her how he felt, and what this meant to him, she knew without a doubt, he was not the F1 and choose to do the deed.

To be intimate, knowing all along Nick was not the F1, and showing no respect for Josh who she still had to have a FD with is confusing to me.

I'm glad Sean gave him the opportunity to post his thoughts on men's feelings, that's what this is all about. The understanding that not only men take advantage of women, but women take advantage of men as well.

Most of this works in real life, but the Bachelorette is not real life, it's a show with some reality. In real world you are not dating many men at the same time, only seeing them from time to time, minutes here, a few hours there. You don't have cameras following you everywhere. Andi did not hear what was said in ITMs. We saw Josh gushing about her all the time, she didn't. They spend so little time together that it's crazy they even develop any relationship at all. It's speed dating at very high speed. To go on dates every day with different people must be very tiering. To sort out all the feelings can't be easy. She needed all dates to come to her conclusion "I love Josh". It took her about 30-40 hours and I say that is pretty impressive. After she had spent her night with Josh and he had told her he loved her and wouldn't let her down, she started to believe in their love. The last week with MTP and LCD it was clear as day. She was pulling away from Nick and seeked reassurance from Josh JMHO[/quote]

[vivi2]

"kiss and tell" is never good, "kiss and tell" deliberately is a different animal altogether. It's the worst kind IMO.

[Cari]

This is a fictitious creation by Cari, and her opinions only.


It is ALL your fault, Andi. Right from Juan Pab's season you've shown you are a coldhearted b*tch! You were unlike any other lead, you ALONE led on your F2. How could you?! You had meaningless sex with me when you knew all along I love you? You know how know how special sex is to me? You knew that in the FS, I would not make love to you If I knew days after you were choosing Josh who is a great guy by the way! The only reason I attempted a few times to contact you is for me to have closure. You see, I do not understand. I thought you loved me?! You made me feel very special. I knew you could not say I love you back or "I'll marry you" but how could you give me the Hometown date rose when I thought you gave me that important rose to express you love me back? How could you? You did not specifically say why you did not choose me at the morning of the FRC. I had to know whyyyyy. So I had to. I had to call Chris if I can contact you. I had to know whyyyyy. I need closure. I had to. Because have to move on. I cannot. First, i had to know whyyyy. I learned you were in Mexico with Josh who is a great guy by the way. But I'm not sure if you're happy with him because I cannot forget what we had. It was special. You made me very special. You made me feel very loved. So... I had to know whyyyy. Watching the episodes they made me a villain. My family is angry. I really did not say those things. I had to. They made me do it. It is just editing, Andi. I know in my heart you do not believe I was a villain they made me to be. Because we are so connected. We get each other. We are each other's half. I do not understand whyyyyy. So I had to go to the MTA. I had to. I want to know whyyyyyy you did not choose me. I cannot wait for the AFTR. But I do not understand why you don't want to. You told Ali I did not try to contact you. I did. I had to know whyyyy. I know Josh would not mind because he's a great guy. You read my letter. Dint you remember the special time we had when you read that letter? Yes I hoped a little. Because I'm not sure if you are happy with Josh who am sure dint mind that letter. Surely he did not because he is a great guy. He did understand, right? I am certain you understood where I was coming from. What we had was special. I felt your love. That is why I.NEED.TO.KNOW.WHYYYY. That is not creepy at all because I know you understood. You get me. I know you understood why I need closure before the AFTR. I need to know as soon as possible so I can finally move on. And yet, what happened?! Why were you so cold in the AFTR as if we had nothing special. How could you tell me you never loved me? Whyyyyy. You gave me the Hometown Date Rose which I felt is your way of saying I love you back! Whyyyyy. You should have not given me that rose. How could you? We made sweetest love in the FS. You knew how I felt? I thought you loved me? Then you say you never loved me? You made me very, very special. You gave me the freaking Hometown Date Rose! how could be so cold at the AFTR? How could you? I was surprised you were indifferent. Where is the Andi I loved?  I'm sorry for my mistake. I should have said it differently. I was so shocked I was a loss for words. And those were words unfortunately that came out. I did not mean to hurt you. Really. I want to apologize for that mistake. I was just surprised by your demeanor. No, no, I'm not blaming you. I'm surprised that's all. I thank Sean for allowing me his space as my platform to apologize. I truly did not mean to hurt you. I'm urging my supporters not bash you. I'm sure after that what I said in my blog post no one will bash you. I really mean it when I say I wish you and Josh happiness. The blog post is my way of apologizing for my mistakes. I'm sorry for the slip up, Andi. I honestly would not have said that if only you did not have sex with me if you did not share my feelings. My blog post is a way of sharing my perspective especially the next Lead to not have sex if you are not sure of what you feel. My blog post is saying you should not have done that in the FS if we are not in the same page. The blog post is an apology and an explanation. I'm sorry I did not mean to hurt you but you see the FS is for those who love each other. So I'm sorry. I have not slipped up if you were not cold at the AFTR. Cross my heart. And I was so brokenhearted because you had sex with me when it meant nothing to you. You had sex with me when you are going to be engaged with another man days after. Do not mind what others would say about you. I made it clear in my blog post. They will not bash you. Again, I am truly sorry. I really wish you and Josh well. I'm sure with the blog post I cleared my side am sure you and Josh would understand, he's a great guy and I know we would be friends again someday. Once again, Andi I am sorry. If I could turn back the hands of time. I really did not mean it. Im moving on and learned from my mistakes. I wish you and Josh happiness.

----

Perfectly clear. Right from the beginning it is MeAndi's fault. Right from. JuanPab's season we've seen her true colors. This would have not happened if Andi did exactly what Nick was advicing in the blog post.

Andi, whatever people think of you now is because you were inconsiderate, unkind and unforgiving. Suck it up, Meandi! And if you react with Nick's post, will only confirm what a horrible person you really are.

NOT.

[Bet2Win]

I'm going to comment of the sex thing from a different aspect; because I don't have an opinion about having or not having sex.

From my own personal standpoint, I would want to know whether the person I'm becoming engaged to had sex with someone else within a week of getting engaged to me. I think it's only fair to the last one standing to know, so they can make an informed decision on whether they want to get engaged. Whether Andi told Josh before they became engaged, we don't know. I hope so.

[Guest]

It is ALL your fault, Andi. Right from Juan Pab's season you've shown you are a coldhearted b*tch! You were unlike any other lead, you ALONE led on your F2. How could you?! You had meaningless sex with me when you knew all along I love you? You know how know how special sex is to me? You knew that in the FS, I would not make love to you If I knew days after you were choosing Josh who is a great guy by the way! The only reason I attempted a few times to contact you is for me to have closure. You see, I do not understand. I thought you loved me?! You made me feel very special. I knew you could not say I love you back or "I'll marry you" but how could you give me the Hometown date rose when I thought you gave me that important rose to express you love me back? How could you? You did not specifically say why you did not choose me at the morning of the FRC. I had to know whyyyyy. So I had to. I had to call Chris if I can contact you. I had to know whyyyyy. I need closure. I had to. Because have to move on. I cannot. First, i had to know whyyyy. I learned you were in Mexico with Josh who is a great guy by the way. But I'm not sure if you're happy with him because I cannot forget what we had. It was special. You made me very special. You made me feel very loved. So... I had to know whyyyy. Watching the episodes they made me a villain. My family is angry. I really did not say those things. I had to. They made me do it. It is just editing, Andi. I know in my heart you do not believe I was a villain they made me to be. Because we are so connected. We get each other. We are each other's half. I do not understand whyyyyy. So I had to go to the MTA. I had to. I want to know whyyyyyy you did not choose me. I cannot wait for the AFTR. But I do not understand why you don't want to. You told Ali I did not try to contact you. I did. I had to know whyyyy. I know Josh would not mind because he's a great guy. You read my letter. Dint you remember the special time we had when you read that letter? Yes I hoped a little. Because I'm not sure if you are happy with Josh who am sure dint mind that letter. Surely he did not because he is a great guy. He did understand, right? I am certain you understood where I was coming from. What we had was special. I felt your love. That is why I.NEED.TO.KNOW.WHYYYY. That is not creepy at all because I know you understood. You get me. I know you understood why I need closure before the AFTR. I need to know as soon as possible so I can finally move on. And yet, what happened?! Why were you so cold in the AFTR as if we had nothing special. How could you tell me you never loved me? Whyyyyy. You gave me the Hometown Date Rose which I felt is your way of saying I love you back! Whyyyyy. You should have not given me that rose. How could you? We made sweetest love in the FS. You knew how I felt? I thought you loved me? Then you say you never loved me? You made me very, very special. You gave me the freaking Hometown Date Rose! how could be so cold at the AFTR? How could you? I was surprised you were indifferent. Where is the Andi I loved?  I'm sorry for my mistake. I should have said it differently. I was so shocked I was a loss for words. And those were words unfortunately that came out. I did not mean to hurt you. Really. I want to apologize for that mistake. I was just surprised by your demeanor. No, no, I'm not blaming you. I'm surprised that's all. I thank Sean for allowing me his space as my platform to apologize. I truly did not mean to hurt you. I'm urging my supporters not bash you. I'm sure after that what I said in my blog post no one will bash you. I really mean it when I say I wish you and Josh happiness. The blog post is my way of apologizing for my mistakes. I'm sorry for the slip up, Andi. I honestly would not have said that if only you did not have sex with me if you did not share my feelings. My blog post is a way of sharing my perspective especially the next Lead to not have sex if you are not sure of what you feel. My blog post is saying you should not have done that in the FS if we are not in the same page. The blog post is an apology and an explanation. I'm sorry I did not mean to hurt you but you see the FS is for those who love each other. So I'm sorry. I have not slipped up if you were not cold at the AFTR. Cross my heart. And I was so brokenhearted because you had sex with me when it meant nothing to you. You had sex with me when you are going to be engaged with another man days after. Do not mind what others would say about you. I made it clear in my blog post. They will not bash you. Again, I am truly sorry. I really wish you and Josh well. I'm sure with the blog post I cleared my side am sure you and Josh would understand, he's a great guy and I know we would be friends again someday. Once again, Andi I am sorry. If I could turn back the hands of time. I really did not mean it. Im moving on and learned from my mistakes. I wish you and Josh happiness.

----

Perfectly clear. Right from the beginning it is MeAndi's fault. Right from. JuanPab's season we've seen her true colors. This would have not happened if Andi did exactly what Nick was advicing in the blog post.

Andi, whatever people think of you now is because you were inconsiderate, unkind and unforgiving. Suck it up, Meandi! And if you react with Nick's post, will only confirm what a horrible person you really are.

NOT.

     Well said!

[Bet2Win]

This is a fictitious story created by Cari and her opinion only


It is ALL your fault, Andi. Right from Juan Pab's season you've shown you are a coldhearted b*tch! You were unlike any other lead, you ALONE led on your F2. How could you?! You had meaningless sex with me when you knew all along I love you? You know how know how special sex is to me? You knew that in the FS, I would not make love to you If I knew days after you were choosing Josh who is a great guy by the way! The only reason I attempted a few times to contact you is for me to have closure. You see, I do not understand. I thought you loved me?! You made me feel very special. I knew you could not say I love you back or "I'll marry you" but how could you give me the Hometown date rose when I thought you gave me that important rose to express you love me back? How could you? You did not specifically say why you did not choose me at the morning of the FRC. I had to know whyyyyy. So I had to. I had to call Chris if I can contact you. I had to know whyyyyy. I need closure. I had to. Because have to move on. I cannot. First, i had to know whyyyy. I learned you were in Mexico with Josh who is a great guy by the way. But I'm not sure if you're happy with him because I cannot forget what we had. It was special. You made me very special. You made me feel very loved. So... I had to know whyyyy. Watching the episodes they made me a villain. My family is angry. I really did not say those things. I had to. They made me do it. It is just editing, Andi. I know in my heart you do not believe I was a villain they made me to be. Because we are so connected. We get each other. We are each other's half. I do not understand whyyyyy. So I had to go to the MTA. I had to. I want to know whyyyyyy you did not choose me. I cannot wait for the AFTR. But I do not understand why you don't want to. You told Ali I did not try to contact you. I did. I had to know whyyyy. I know Josh would not mind because he's a great guy. You read my letter. Dint you remember the special time we had when you read that letter? Yes I hoped a little. Because I'm not sure if you are happy with Josh who am sure dint mind that letter. Surely he did not because he is a great guy. He did understand, right? I am certain you understood where I was coming from. What we had was special. I felt your love. That is why I.NEED.TO.KNOW.WHYYYY. That is not creepy at all because I know you understood. You get me. I know you understood why I need closure before the AFTR. I need to know as soon as possible so I can finally move on. And yet, what happened?! Why were you so cold in the AFTR as if we had nothing special. How could you tell me you never loved me? Whyyyyy. You gave me the Hometown Date Rose which I felt is your way of saying I love you back! Whyyyyy. You should have not given me that rose. How could you? We made sweetest love in the FS. You knew how I felt? I thought you loved me? Then you say you never loved me? You made me very, very special. You gave me the freaking Hometown Date Rose! how could be so cold at the AFTR? How could you? I was surprised you were indifferent. Where is the Andi I loved?  I'm sorry for my mistake. I should have said it differently. I was so shocked I was a loss for words. And those were words unfortunately that came out. I did not mean to hurt you. Really. I want to apologize for that mistake. I was just surprised by your demeanor. No, no, I'm not blaming you. I'm surprised that's all. I thank Sean for allowing me his space as my platform to apologize. I truly did not mean to hurt you. I'm urging my supporters not bash you. I'm sure after that what I said in my blog post no one will bash you. I really mean it when I say I wish you and Josh happiness. The blog post is my way of apologizing for my mistakes. I'm sorry for the slip up, Andi. I honestly would not have said that if only you did not have sex with me if you did not share my feelings. My blog post is a way of sharing my perspective especially the next Lead to not have sex if you are not sure of what you feel. My blog post is saying you should not have done that in the FS if we are not in the same page. The blog post is an apology and an explanation. I'm sorry I did not mean to hurt you but you see the FS is for those who love each other. So I'm sorry. I have not slipped up if you were not cold at the AFTR. Cross my heart. And I was so brokenhearted because you had sex with me when it meant nothing to you. You had sex with me when you are going to be engaged with another man days after. Do not mind what others would say about you. I made it clear in my blog post. They will not bash you. Again, I am truly sorry. I really wish you and Josh well. I'm sure with the blog post I cleared my side am sure you and Josh would understand, he's a great guy and I know we would be friends again someday. Once again, Andi I am sorry. If I could turn back the hands of time. I really did not mean it. Im moving on and learned from my mistakes. I wish you and Josh happiness.

----

Perfectly clear. Right from the beginning it is MeAndi's fault. Right from. JuanPab's season we've seen her true colors. This would have not happened if Andi did exactly what Nick was advicing in the blog post.

Andi, whatever people think of you now is because you were inconsiderate, unkind and unforgiving. Suck it up, Meandi! And if you react with Nick's post, will only confirm what a horrible person you really are.

NOT.

     Well said!

Not really, because it is mocking other posters opinions.

[vivi2]

Cari, I love you!

[Alanna]

This is a fititious story by Cari and her opinions only.

It is ALL your fault, Andi. Right from Juan Pab's season you've shown you are a coldhearted b*tch! You were unlike any other lead, you ALONE led on your F2. How could you?! You had meaningless sex with me when you knew all along I love you? You know how know how special sex is to me? You knew that in the FS, I would not make love to you If I knew days after you were choosing Josh who is a great guy by the way! The only reason I attempted a few times to contact you is for me to have closure. You see, I do not understand. I thought you loved me?! You made me feel very special. I knew you could not say I love you back or "I'll marry you" but how could you give me the Hometown date rose when I thought you gave me that important rose to express you love me back? How could you? You did not specifically say why you did not choose me at the morning of the FRC. I had to know whyyyyy. So I had to. I had to call Chris if I can contact you. I had to know whyyyyy. I need closure. I had to. Because have to move on. I cannot. First, i had to know whyyyy. I learned you were in Mexico with Josh who is a great guy by the way. But I'm not sure if you're happy with him because I cannot forget what we had. It was special. You made me very special. You made me feel very loved. So... I had to know whyyyy. Watching the episodes they made me a villain. My family is angry. I really did not say those things. I had to. They made me do it. It is just editing, Andi. I know in my heart you do not believe I was a villain they made me to be. Because we are so connected. We get each other. We are each other's half. I do not understand whyyyyy. So I had to go to the MTA. I had to. I want to know whyyyyyy you did not choose me. I cannot wait for the AFTR. But I do not understand why you don't want to. You told Ali I did not try to contact you. I did. I had to know whyyyy. I know Josh would not mind because he's a great guy. You read my letter. Dint you remember the special time we had when you read that letter? Yes I hoped a little. Because I'm not sure if you are happy with Josh who am sure dint mind that letter. Surely he did not because he is a great guy. He did understand, right? I am certain you understood where I was coming from. What we had was special. I felt your love. That is why I.NEED.TO.KNOW.WHYYYY. That is not creepy at all because I know you understood. You get me. I know you understood why I need closure before the AFTR. I need to know as soon as possible so I can finally move on. And yet, what happened?! Why were you so cold in the AFTR as if we had nothing special. How could you tell me you never loved me? Whyyyyy. You gave me the Hometown Date Rose which I felt is your way of saying I love you back! Whyyyyy. You should have not given me that rose. How could you? We made sweetest love in the FS. You knew how I felt? I thought you loved me? Then you say you never loved me? You made me very, very special. You gave me the freaking Hometown Date Rose! how could be so cold at the AFTR? How could you? I was surprised you were indifferent. Where is the Andi I loved?  I'm sorry for my mistake. I should have said it differently. I was so shocked I was a loss for words. And those were words unfortunately that came out. I did not mean to hurt you. Really. I want to apologize for that mistake. I was just surprised by your demeanor. No, no, I'm not blaming you. I'm surprised that's all. I thank Sean for allowing me his space as my platform to apologize. I truly did not mean to hurt you. I'm urging my supporters not bash you. I'm sure after that what I said in my blog post no one will bash you. I really mean it when I say I wish you and Josh happiness. The blog post is my way of apologizing for my mistakes. I'm sorry for the slip up, Andi. I honestly would not have said that if only you did not have sex with me if you did not share my feelings. My blog post is a way of sharing my perspective especially the next Lead to not have sex if you are not sure of what you feel. My blog post is saying you should not have done that in the FS if we are not in the same page. The blog post is an apology and an explanation. I'm sorry I did not mean to hurt you but you see the FS is for those who love each other. So I'm sorry. I have not slipped up if you were not cold at the AFTR. Cross my heart. And I was so brokenhearted because you had sex with me when it meant nothing to you. You had sex with me when you are going to be engaged with another man days after. Do not mind what others would say about you. I made it clear in my blog post. They will not bash you. Again, I am truly sorry. I really wish you and Josh well. I'm sure with the blog post I cleared my side am sure you and Josh would understand, he's a great guy and I know we would be friends again someday. Once again, Andi I am sorry. If I could turn back the hands of time. I really did not mean it. Im moving on and learned from my mistakes. I wish you and Josh happiness.

----

Perfectly clear. Right from the beginning it is MeAndi's fault. Right from. JuanPab's season we've seen her true colors. This would have not happened if Andi did exactly what Nick was advicing in the blog post.

Andi, whatever people think of you now is because you were inconsiderate, unkind and unforgiving. Suck it up, Meandi! And if you react with Nick's post, will only confirm what a horrible person you really are.

NOT.

     Well said!

     

PERFECT.

I don't think it's mocking other posters, it's mocking Nick. He's an entire tool shed and this is right on the money. JMO.

Bet2Win, Josh and Andi have both said that Andi tells him everything and goes to to him with everything, so take from that what you will.

[ThankMeLater]

It is ALL your fault, Andi. Right from Juan Pab's season you've shown you are a coldhearted b*tch! You were unlike any other lead, you ALONE led on your F2. How could you?! You had meaningless sex with me when you knew all along I love you? You know how know how special sex is to me? You knew that in the FS, I would not make love to you If I knew days after you were choosing Josh who is a great guy by the way! The only reason I attempted a few times to contact you is for me to have closure. You see, I do not understand. I thought you loved me?! You made me feel very special. I knew you could not say I love you back or "I'll marry you" but how could you give me the Hometown date rose when I thought you gave me that important rose to express you love me back? How could you? You did not specifically say why you did not choose me at the morning of the FRC. I had to know whyyyyy. So I had to. I had to call Chris if I can contact you. I had to know whyyyyy. I need closure. I had to. Because have to move on. I cannot. First, i had to know whyyyy. I learned you were in Mexico with Josh who is a great guy by the way. But I'm not sure if you're happy with him because I cannot forget what we had. It was special. You made me very special. You made me feel very loved. So... I had to know whyyyy. Watching the episodes they made me a villain. My family is angry. I really did not say those things. I had to. They made me do it. It is just editing, Andi. I know in my heart you do not believe I was a villain they made me to be. Because we are so connected. We get each other. We are each other's half. I do not understand whyyyyy. So I had to go to the MTA. I had to. I want to know whyyyyyy you did not choose me. I cannot wait for the AFTR. But I do not understand why you don't want to. You told Ali I did not try to contact you. I did. I had to know whyyyy. I know Josh would not mind because he's a great guy. You read my letter. Dint you remember the special time we had when you read that letter? Yes I hoped a little. Because I'm not sure if you are happy with Josh who am sure dint mind that letter. Surely he did not because he is a great guy. He did understand, right? I am certain you understood where I was coming from. What we had was special. I felt your love. That is why I.NEED.TO.KNOW.WHYYYY. That is not creepy at all because I know you understood. You get me. I know you understood why I need closure before the AFTR. I need to know as soon as possible so I can finally move on. And yet, what happened?! Why were you so cold in the AFTR as if we had nothing special. How could you tell me you never loved me? Whyyyyy. You gave me the Hometown Date Rose which I felt is your way of saying I love you back! Whyyyyy. You should have not given me that rose. How could you? We made sweetest love in the FS. You knew how I felt? I thought you loved me? Then you say you never loved me? You made me very, very special. You gave me the freaking Hometown Date Rose! how could be so cold at the AFTR? How could you? I was surprised you were indifferent. Where is the Andi I loved?  I'm sorry for my mistake. I should have said it differently. I was so shocked I was a loss for words. And those were words unfortunately that came out. I did not mean to hurt you. Really. I want to apologize for that mistake. I was just surprised by your demeanor. No, no, I'm not blaming you. I'm surprised that's all. I thank Sean for allowing me his space as my platform to apologize. I truly did not mean to hurt you. I'm urging my supporters not bash you. I'm sure after that what I said in my blog post no one will bash you. I really mean it when I say I wish you and Josh happiness. The blog post is my way of apologizing for my mistakes. I'm sorry for the slip up, Andi. I honestly would not have said that if only you did not have sex with me if you did not share my feelings. My blog post is a way of sharing my perspective especially the next Lead to not have sex if you are not sure of what you feel. My blog post is saying you should not have done that in the FS if we are not in the same page. The blog post is an apology and an explanation. I'm sorry I did not mean to hurt you but you see the FS is for those who love each other. So I'm sorry. I have not slipped up if you were not cold at the AFTR. Cross my heart. And I was so brokenhearted because you had sex with me when it meant nothing to you. You had sex with me when you are going to be engaged with another man days after. Do not mind what others would say about you. I made it clear in my blog post. They will not bash you. Again, I am truly sorry. I really wish you and Josh well. I'm sure with the blog post I cleared my side am sure you and Josh would understand, he's a great guy and I know we would be friends again someday. Once again, Andi I am sorry. If I could turn back the hands of time. I really did not mean it. Im moving on and learned from my mistakes. I wish you and Josh happiness.

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Perfectly clear. Right from the beginning it is MeAndi's fault. Right from. JuanPab's season we've seen her true colors. This would have not happened if Andi did exactly what Nick was advicing in the blog post.

Andi, whatever people think of you now is because you were inconsiderate, unkind and unforgiving. Suck it up, Meandi! And if you react with Nick's post, will only confirm what a horrible person you really are.

NOT.

This is the best thing ever!     

[Cari]

Mocking? Where in my post did I mention the members of this forum?

  

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