Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #6

by Piper61 Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:51 am

MMA50 wrote:
MVMom39forever wrote:
chasingpavements wrote:

I don't know, is it any more shameful than Chris Harrison revealing to the world how many people Marcus has slept with, without his permission? Is it any more shameful than every single media source asking Catherine about her (lack of) sex life, even though she never brought it up?

Thank you! Great points ...

Folks who are judging Nick need to watch today's interviews as he is being very articulate, genuine and informative.

Nick relied on Andi all season for signs as to where he stood with her. And, all season Andi gave him those signs. With each episode we saw Nick become more and more of a believer ... throwing himself at the mercy of this process ... because of his trust and love for Andi. While she could not return his words of love - or so Nick thought - she could show him through her actions.

Nick didn't enter the fantasy suite with expectations of intimacy. However, Andi clearly did and according to Nick, it was "effortless." This is not surprising to any Nick fan as we heard Andi all season when she talked about their "once in a lifetime" connection. How the one word she'd used to describe their relationship was passionate. And, who could forget her gushing about their emotional/mental and physical chemistry?

So yeah, Andi went for it. Good for her.

But shame on Andi for not communicating or being clear with Nick that she did not equate making love with Nick to being in love with him. And shame on Andi for not giving Nick closure while the season was airing by simply taking his phone call.

Instead Nick had this and other questions in his head and heart for the past couple of months. Plus he had to endure a replay of their love story each week. Who can blame Nick for asking her at his first opportunity?

Great interview with ET! Makes me love Nick even more. Btw, I don't think Andi Murray is going to be happy with Nick getting all the spotlight. I bet it pi$$es her and her fiancé off.

I actually believe she and Josh have moved on, and are quite happy being able to continue their relationship in public. Nick is the past for them, and it will be great when Josh and Andi are the past for Nick, too.

by sdmom Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:52 am

kdubs_ca wrote:
sdmom wrote:Media ask questions and he answers. I am curios what people think how he should have answered. I really mean it.

He should say "I was hurt that night (ATFR) and I was indiscreet. My apologies to Andi and Josh for revealing more than I should. I received the closure I needed now and I'm ready to move on."

What grosses me out is the continual talk about the act itself. Plus, I hate the political answer, "I'm sorry if you were offended / hurt / humiliated." Just say you were sorry for saying too much.

Realistically, no one's mind is going to be changed here. I think the continued media junket is just reinforcing everyone's opinion of Nick as saint or cad. The truth will out about all three of them, and some of us will be saying (or thinking at least) I told you so, and others will be wondering how they misjudged so badly. For all I know, all three of them are jerks!

You are right, so I am saying no more. However, I have to admit I was wrong: Josh is a better fit for Andi than Nick.
I don't think any of them is jerk at all; they are human beings with flaws. Best luck to all of them.

by Piper61 Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:55 am

pander3575 wrote:
Piper61 wrote:
chloep wrote:

Like he has ANY say in the media rounds....
Does he still have "no say" in what he actually says?
I have to agree that even IF he had to do these interviews all he had to say in them is he really has nothing else to say except he's moving on and wish Andi and Josh the best. That would stop the media circus from bothering with him anymore and he could resume his life.

Precisely. IMO.

by Jeepers Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:58 am

As I said before...

Bitter frog vs handsome prince.......

by MVMom39forever Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:21 pm

FLChica wrote:Because of the plane video, TPTB have more leverage over Nick than with previous contestants. JPG & Nikki didn't do media rounds after the disastrous ATFR show because TPTB didn't want to give them to give them another platform to embarrass the show. CH did all the media and spun it they way his bosses wanted him to.

Realistically, Nick must do whatever interviews TPTB want him to do and can't do any interviews they don't approve. Simple. He doesn't choose the questions asked of him anymore than MeandI chooses what's asked of her. Of course she doesn't want to talk about sleeping with Nick - kind of puts a damper on her perfect relationship with Josh.

Nick has handled himself quite well in the interviews and remains consistent in expressing his feelings. He has the closure he wanted all along and can move on with the next phase of what had been a wonderful life.

Excellent! Thank you for the insight.

by happygolucky Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:58 pm

sdmom wrote:
kdubs_ca wrote:Realistically, no one's mind is going to be changed here. I think the continued media junket is just reinforcing everyone's opinion of Nick as saint or cad. The truth will out about all three of them, and some of us will be saying (or thinking at least) I told you so, and others will be wondering how they misjudged so badly. For all I know, all three of them are jerks!
You are right, so I am saying no more. However, I have to admit I was wrong: Josh is a better fit for Andi than Nick.
I don't think any of them is jerk at all; they are human beings with flaws. Best luck to all of them.

and noone is a saint either.

by Hotmomma Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:04 pm

I believe that Fleiss/Company want Nick to be the next bachelor..and they are sending him around to the media to get sympathy for him and to promote his story.

I think they were up set about the plane video and therefore Nick did have to jump thru hoops for them,I am sure they held it over his head..

I think that is why they went to WI to film his follow up for the story they wanted to tell..But honestly I think they were caught off guard and didn't think they would have that reaction..But we must remember they will never turn down "DRAMA"

by isittrue Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:06 pm

Jeepers wrote:As I said before...

Bitter frog vs handsome prince.......

Well, the handsome prince in this case apparently has some bittercakes too... Instead of taking the high road, he has managed to bash Nick as classless every chance he gets. I don't see where Nick (who is not a frog IMO) is bitter. He has addressed the elephant in the room due to media demand and congratulated Andi and Josh on their engagement. Not sure how much more he is expected to do.

by Litta123 Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:07 pm

You know, if Nick becomes the next Bachelor, his FS dates will be interesting. Either he has sex with no one...or his F1 will automatically know where she stands. At least, that better be the way it plays out -- or I can only imagine the brouhaha TPTB will produce in his ATFR.

by Litta123 Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:25 pm

isittrue wrote:
Jeepers wrote:As I said before...

Bitter frog vs handsome prince.......

Well, the handsome prince in this case apparently has some bittercakes too... Instead of taking the high road, he has managed to bash Nick as classless every chance he gets. I don't see where Nick (who is not a frog IMO) is bitter. He has addressed the elephant in the room due to media demand and congratulated Andi and Josh on their engagement. Not sure how much more he is expected to do.

The way I see it is people were asking for understanding towards Nick in terms of his comments about Andi and Josh in the plane video -- due to the fact that he was hurt after just having been dumped. I kind of see it the same way for Josh's comments regarding Nick. By his own words, Josh is very protective of those he loves. I think his comments, while not the best or most Christlike, come from a place of hurt. I'll cut him slack for now. If he is still making those kind of statements about Nick in 2 or 3 months, then my opinion of this will change.

As stated earlier up thread, everyone seems to have gotten hurt this season in one way or another. Their responses, though not pretty, were very human -- simply a reflection of their broken condition. In that moment I'd like to think I'd respond above it all, but when I'm triggered, I'm triggered. I'm just glad it's not captured for all the world to see on television.

by mercieme Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:28 pm

isittrue wrote:
Jeepers wrote:As I said before...

Bitter frog vs handsome prince.......

Well, the handsome prince in this case apparently has some bittercakes too... Instead of taking the high road, he has managed to bash Nick as classless every chance he gets. I don't see where Nick (who is not a frog IMO) is bitter. He has addressed the elephant in the room due to media demand and congratulated Andi and Josh on their engagement. Not sure how much more he is expected to do.

LOL....and the bitter frog will be someone's prince someday. Life really is beautiful, one's man's meat is another man's poison like they say in my part of the world so it's all good for Nick IMO giggling

by mercieme Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:31 pm

Litta123 wrote:
isittrue wrote:
Jeepers wrote:As I said before...

Bitter frog vs handsome prince.......

Well, the handsome prince in this case apparently has some bittercakes too... Instead of taking the high road, he has managed to bash Nick as classless every chance he gets. I don't see where Nick (who is not a frog IMO) is bitter. He has addressed the elephant in the room due to media demand and congratulated Andi and Josh on their engagement. Not sure how much more he is expected to do.

The way I see it is people were asking for understanding towards Nick in terms of his comments about Andi and Josh in the plane video -- due to the fact that he was hurt after just having been dumped. I kind of see it the same way for Josh's comments regarding Nick. By his own words, Josh is very protective of those he loves. I think his comments, while not the best or most Christlike, come from a place of hurt. I'll cut him slack for now. If he is still making those kind of statements about Nick in 2 or 3 months, then my opinion of this will change.

As stated earlier up thread, everyone seems to have gotten hurt this season in one way or another. Their responses, though not pretty, were very human -- simply a reflection of their broken condition. In that moment I'd like to think I'd respond above it all, but when I'm triggered, I'm triggered. I'm just glad it's not captured for all the world to see on television.

Well said Litta, I love fair and balanced comments!!!! Thanks!!!

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