Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #6

[MVMom39forever]

It seems completely reasonable to be insecure and need lots of reassurance on this crazy show. It doesn't end well for 24 of them!

Agreed in a sense. JMHO but I don't think someone needing reassurance in that kind of environment automatically means they're raging with insecurities. IMO it could also just as easily be the fact that no matter how deep in the bubble he was, Nick was still cognizant of how superficial in many ways the show is and by that same token, the feelings that develop. What was one of the first things Nick said to Andi on their first one on one - "this show lends itself to the very real possibility of falling in love with the idea of someone rather than actually falling in love with them." And ain't that the truth. He also stated from as early as that week, that he does have a problem not knowing where he stands with someone and I don't think that is unreasonable or makes someone insecure.

I just think the situation was more that as much as Nick was feeling a lot and the emotions were overwhelming him, there was the small nagging part of his brain still telling him, "this is a television show, I actually haven't known her that long, I'm competing against others and it is entirely possible that she is pulling a poker face when with me because there's a show to produce, etc." And I can't fault him for that and I think that ties into some of the things we saw and some of the things he said. Like the guys saying that he analyzed everything and talked about the show so much which they interpreted as him not being about Andi. But my guess is he was probably trying to predict what she was really feeling and what was really going on.

And then when she gave him the HTD/Group rose. As he rightly stated, she could have given that rose to any of the other three guys she hadn't had another one on one with. She'd already had two one on one's with Nick, spent more time with him without the other guys knowing that same week and she had to have an idea of how the other guys felt about her attention to Nick. She even said at the RC that week that she worried about him with the target on his back. So in Nick's analytical mind, he's seeing at as exactly what he said, "bold move Andi..." in terms of who she was favoring.

I also think it's the same reason he hemmed and hawed so much when it came to telling her he loved her. Because as he said in his ITM when stating that he was going to tell he loved her, "at this point I've completely let my guard down and I've thrown myself at the mercy of this process" indicating that despite everything that had happened between them, things he'd said to her, he did still have a bit of a guard up. And he goes on to talk about how it does make him vulnerable and puts him in a vulnerable position. Again I don't think that speaks to insecurities but rather the natural realization that this is not a normal dating situation and is a competition and that yes despite everything she had said to him and they'd shared, she very well could pick someone else.

And if all the glaring spoilers are correct, in the end, that is what happened. He tried to be cautious, he tried to keep his guard up, tried to analyze the situation and still he ended up another victim in the long line of this show's manipulated bubble. And yeah I can understand why there was some anger, hurt and frustration in that video, especially if he felt he got and heard reassurances from her the times when he was questioning the process and maybe questioning her feelings for him. Only to basically to have been dragged along for weeks for nothing.

  Excellent post!!

I agree with everything....except re: video....I don't believe the video is real....not at all. We shall find out on Monday!

  
loads of logic!
I also believe video is hoax.

[bilolo]

What i don't understand is why Nick is having doubts about Andi now when in the previous episodes he's adamant that he's going to marry her ? Why the change of tone ?

[CHO]

What i don't understand is why Nick is having doubts about Andi now when in the previous episodes he's adamant that he's going to marry her ? Why the change of tone ?

Exactly - makes you wonder. So happy after the fantasy suite date both at the RC and in his video message to Andi ... Could this be tptb giving us a little more drama --

[luvlady345]

What i don't understand is why Nick is having doubts about Andi now when in the previous episodes he's adamant that he's going to marry her ? Why the change of tone ?

Maybe he felt Andi was pulling away or wasn't giving him what he thought he should have......Because he did say that Andi would always reassure him along the way, just maybe the last couple of times they were together Andi stopped reassuring him and that was a red flag to him.....

[GuardianAngel]

What i don't understand is why Nick is having doubts about Andi now when in the previous episodes he's adamant that he's going to marry her ? Why the change of tone ?

I question that as well. It has been nothing but confident display of how they feel for each other. I don't mean just Nick. Andi has said her fair share of comments about connecting the undeniable passion, mentally, knows what I'm feeling when he kissing me, once in a lifetime, paraphrasing.

[bilolo]

What i don't understand is why Nick is having doubts about Andi now when in the previous episodes he's adamant that he's going to marry her ? Why the change of tone ?

Maybe he felt Andi was pulling away or wasn't giving him what he thought he should have......Because he did say that Andi would always reassure him along the way, just maybe the last couple of times they were together Andi stopped reassuring him and that was a red flag to him.....

Maybe but it sure stuck out to me. And Josh is the contrary of Nick now (since FS) he's 100% sure his relationship with Andi is stronger and he's gonna marry her. It's funny how their journey is different yet they're the final 2.
My only concern is they don't like each other and i like them both, it sucks right ?  

[Guest]

Notice when Andi's dad asks where he (Nick) sees the future with all of this, Nick's response is not congruent. Nick says, "I know your daughter's it for me." During his entire response, Nick is shaking his head no. Don't BL experts usually point this out as some kind of red flag? Yes, I know Nick is nervous, but could it be that inside he, himself, is not convinced?

Yes. Usually if someone says one thing affirmatively but shakes their head "No" when they say it, it means what they don't really believe that what are saying is true. If I were Hy and watching that answer being given to me with that head shaking, I would assume that Nick is not being truthful when he says Andi is "it" for him.

You are watching too much Dr. Phil. ;) I think Nick was just nervous. He is sincere and in love, and I'm sure Andi's parents thought highly of him, regardless of her final choice. I know with my kids, I want them to be happy and with someone who is serious and a good match mentally and emotionally. They had to have seen that with Nick and Andi. Even if they don't end up together.

[stuckinsc]

What i don't understand is why Nick is having doubts about Andi now when in the previous episodes he's adamant that he's going to marry her ? Why the change of tone ?

Maybe he felt Andi was pulling away or wasn't giving him what he thought he should have......Because he did say that Andi would always reassure him along the way, just maybe the last couple of times they were together Andi stopped reassuring him and that was a red flag to him.....

Maybe but it sure stuck out to me. And Josh is the contrary of Nick now (since FS) he's 100% sure his relationship with Andi is stronger and he's gonna marry her. It's funny how their journey is different yet they're the final 2.
My only concern is they don't like each other and i like them both, it sucks right ?  

What is odd, is that the guys said in France that he and Josh were friends. Obviously that ended, but it is strange that people thought they were friends early. Maybe Josh became a bigger threat with his France date or Nick annoyed Josh by going to Andi when she was upset.

I like both guys too, so their obvious dislike of each other is sad to me. Are Ben and JP the last two F2 to seem to not like each other this much?

[Guest]

Maybe he felt Andi was pulling away or wasn't giving him what he thought he should have......Because he did say that Andi would always reassure him along the way, just maybe the last couple of times they were together Andi stopped reassuring him and that was a red flag to him.....

Maybe but it sure stuck out to me. And Josh is the contrary of Nick now (since FS) he's 100% sure his relationship with Andi is stronger and he's gonna marry her. It's funny how their journey is different yet they're the final 2.
My only concern is they don't like each other and i like them both, it sucks right ?  

What is odd, is that the guys said in France that he and Josh were friends.  Obviously that ended, but it is strange that people thought they were friends early.  Maybe Josh became a bigger threat with his France date or Nick annoyed Josh by going to Andi when she was upset.

I like both guys too, so their obvious dislike of each other is sad to me.  Are Ben and JP the last two F2 to seem to not like each other this much?

I equate it to real life, and it is odd to be buddy buddy with someone your significant other used to date. The whole thing is unnatural, and they are pitted against each other. It is a competition reality tv show - who will win the girl? Men are competitive. I found it much more disturbing the way some guys were totally in to the bromances, even Dylan said he missed the guys when he left, not so much Andi! So, that is OK if you aren't developing feelings for the girl, but I admired how Nick was all about Andi, and could really care less about the guys, yet still he was a class act and obviously made friends for life - so he was good to them. The edits butchered everything and manufactured drama, and some drama was natural - I mean this was the Nick show - and he had a target on his back. Nobody wants to see one guy getting all the attention from the girl while they sit in a house for days waiting for their turn. The more I write in here, the more convinced I am that Andi and Nick sail off in to the sunset together.   

[Kashathediva]

I didn't realize Nick and Josh were not "friends".  
Guess it shows something about me!  

[stuckinsc]

I didn't realize Nick and Josh were not "friends".  
Guess it shows something about me!  

Over interpretation of SM and Josh's unhappy face when Nick got back from the SQT with Andi. I hope it is all wrong.

[bilolo]

I didn't realize Nick and Josh were not "friends".  
Guess it shows something about me!  

I think Josh will not appreciate what Nick said about him in the plane video, like who says those things about their friends really ?
And for the little time i watch Josh on TV, i do think he won't like it and thus my opinion that they won't be friends after the show.
I would like to be wrong though because i like them both and would love to see them tweet and meet some time and have fun.  

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