Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #6

[sdmom]

I didn't realize Nick and Josh were not "friends".  
Guess it shows something about me!  

I think Josh will not appreciate what Nick said about him in the plane video, like who says those things about their friends really ?
And for the little time i watch Josh on TV, i do think he won't like it and thus my opinion that they won't be friends after the show.
I would like to be wrong though because i like them both and would love to see them tweet and meet some time and have fun.  

Me too! I hope Nick can apologize to Josh for what he said on the video and they will be friends. I've said it before, both of them are men of faith and love their families so they have some similarities.

[lleyki]

What is odd, is that the guys said in France that he and Josh were friends. Obviously that ended, but it is strange that people thought they were friends early.

They were definitely friendly at some point. If you rewatch the scene when Nick gets his first one on one, you can see Josh sitting right next to Nick on the couch, his arm around the back and he has this big grin on his face when Chris reads Nick's name.

[pander3575]

I think things went wrong when Josh got tired of hearing Nick talk about what was going to happen etc and Nick probably got irritated with Josh because he wouldn't talk about it. I got that impression from the deleted scene of Josh and Marcus talking in Brussels while the guys were out on the group date.

[lleyki]

But see what's odd about that, is that both guys may have just changed the deeper into the competition they went because there is a deleted scene of Josh, JJ, Nick and Marquel talking when Brian was out on his one on one where JJ and Josh are the ones who do most of the talking about what they think would happen on the date with Brian and Andi. Nick actually says very little in that scene. Oh and coincidentally that was also the week #saltyNick and "the guys can't stand Nick" started.

[cindebugg]

I think a lot of his "confidence" was actually insecurity in disguise.

It seems completely reasonable to be insecure and need lots of reassurance on this crazy show. It doesn't end well for 24 of them!

Agreed in a sense. JMHO but I don't think someone needing reassurance in that kind of environment automatically means they're raging with insecurities. IMO it could also just as easily be the fact that no matter how deep in the bubble he was, Nick was still cognizant of how superficial in many ways the show is and by that same token, the feelings that develop. What was one of the first things Nick said to Andi on their first one on one - "this show lends itself to the very real possibility of falling in love with the idea of someone rather than actually falling in love with them." And ain't that the truth. He also stated from as early as that week, that he does have a problem not knowing where he stands with someone and I don't think that is unreasonable or makes someone insecure.

I just think the situation was more that as much as Nick was feeling a lot and the emotions were overwhelming him, there was the small nagging part of his brain still telling him, "this is a television show, I actually haven't known her that long, I'm competing against others and it is entirely possible that she is pulling a poker face when with me because there's a show to produce, etc." And I can't fault him for that and I think that ties into some of the things we saw and some of the things he said. Like the guys saying that he analyzed everything and talked about the show so much which they interpreted as him not being about Andi. But my guess is he was probably trying to predict what she was really feeling and what was really going on.

And then when she gave him the HTD/Group rose. As he rightly stated, she could have given that rose to any of the other three guys she hadn't had another one on one with. She'd already had two one on one's with Nick, spent more time with him without the other guys knowing that same week and she had to have an idea of how the other guys felt about her attention to Nick. She even said at the RC that week that she worried about him with the target on his back. So in Nick's analytical mind, he's seeing at as exactly what he said, "bold move Andi..." in terms of who she was favoring.

I also think it's the same reason he hemmed and hawed so much when it came to telling her he loved her. Because as he said in his ITM when stating that he was going to tell he loved her, "at this point I've completely let my guard down and I've thrown myself at the mercy of this process" indicating that despite everything that had happened between them, things he'd said to her, he did still have a bit of a guard up. And he goes on to talk about how it does make him vulnerable and puts him in a vulnerable position. Again I don't think that speaks to insecurities but rather the natural realization that this is not a normal dating situation and is a competition and that yes despite everything she had said to him and they'd shared, she very well could pick someone else.

And if all the glaring spoilers are correct, in the end, that is what happened. He tried to be cautious, he tried to keep his guard up, tried to analyze the situation and still he ended up another victim in the long line of this show's manipulated bubble. And yeah I can understand why there was some anger, hurt and frustration in that video, especially if he felt he got and heard reassurances from her the times when he was questioning the process and maybe questioning her feelings for him. Only to basically to have been dragged along for weeks for nothing.

I'm not sure that Andi had anything to do with giving Nick the GD rose.  I  question why she would, knowing that the others would be pissed and giving him sh** for it. Why put the "target" on his back?  IMO that was all producer directed and could be part of the reason Andi gave Josh a yellow ribbon knowing she would be giving Nick the GD rose the next day.

[happygolucky]

“I'm going on a diet. (Crud, I know)
I am going to be cranky.
I am going to be irritable.
I am going to be moody and sad and mean.
And, yes, I am going to be hungry.
Please don't feed me, even if I try to bite you.
Please don't tease me, I may hurt you.
Please don't try to encourage me, I may growl and snap at you.
Please don't help me, I may blame you for everything aggravating in the known universe.
Please don't be offended by my scowl, I cannot smile.
But most importantly, please keep your distance until this trial is over to prevent any unnecessary casualties.
Thank you for your understanding. ”
― Richelle E. Goodrich, Smile Anyway: Quotes, Verse, & Grumblings for Every Day of the Year

“There's enchantment in a smile, did you know?
Shall I prove in a wink that it is so?
Watch my mouth grin wide and see,
How quick your lips smile back at me!”
― Richelle E. Goodrich, Smile Anyway: Quotes, Verse, & Grumblings for Every Day of the Year

[emusha]

SPOILER ALERT!

Not only did The Bachelorette’s Andi Dorfman wait until the very last moment to choose Josh Murray, but she was leaning toward another guy until the very end! The gorgeous district attorney’s switcheroo caused a last-second scramble.

Host Chris Harrison and the producers, who thought Andi would choose the other finalist, Nick Viall, were caught totally of-guard. “Andi had deep feelings for both Josh and Nick, and she initially chose Nick to win,” says a source close to the production. “But just minutes before she was set to tape, she had a change of heart and picked Josh instead.”

http://okmagazine.com/meet-the-stars/find-out-why-the-bachelorettes-andi-dorfman-changed-her-mind-about-nick-and-josh-at-the-last-minute/

[soccermom333]

SPOILER ALERT!

Not only did The Bachelorette’s Andi Dorfman wait until the very last moment to choose Josh Murray, but she was leaning toward another guy until the very end! The gorgeous district attorney’s switcheroo caused a last-second scramble.

Host Chris Harrison and the producers, who thought Andi would choose the other finalist, Nick Viall, were caught totally of-guard. “Andi had deep feelings for both Josh and Nick, and she initially chose Nick to win,” says a source close to the production. “But just minutes before she was set to tape, she had a change of heart and picked Josh instead.”

http://okmagazine.com/meet-the-stars/find-out-why-the-bachelorettes-andi-dorfman-changed-her-mind-about-nick-and-josh-at-the-last-minute/

   

Us magazine said she knew early. What a joke.   

[Piper61]

^^^IF to be believed, she realized she needed to follow her complete heart and we get to see a full blown romantic FRC. With Josh. IMO, it is it not true.  The yellow ribbon in Ghent, followed by the purple ribbon sometime during the FSD time points to knowing it was Josh sooner than the last minute for me.

[pander3575]

^^^IF to be believed, she realized she needed to follow her complete heart and we get to see a full blown romantic FRC. With Josh. IMO, it is it not true.  The yellow ribbon in Ghent, followed by the purple ribbon sometime during the FSD time points to knowing it was Josh sooner than the last minute for me.

  

[sbolduc]

One thing I was thinking about is in the video Nick says something he said to Andi: "You don't think I.." and then he says that he didn't want to argue he just said he disagreed.

That line stood out to me, what does Andi not think?

[Alanna]

^^^IF to be believed, she realized she needed to follow her complete heart and we get to see a full blown romantic FRC. With Josh. IMO, it is it not true.  The yellow ribbon in Ghent, followed by the purple ribbon sometime during the FSD time points to knowing it was Josh sooner than the last minute for me.

Josh knew he was going to htd in their cocktail party talk in Ghent and also to bring her dad cigars from their fd day portion for mtp so clearly she's been reassuring him all along the way that he's going far, don't think this indicates a split second decision. I do think she was hedging her bets because it was hard to trust him, but he was way too assertive and throwing around the ilys and marry mes for her doubts to linger seriously, especially because she wanted him before she even knew him and he's her list IMO.

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