Re: Nick Viall Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* - *Spoilers* - Discussion - Thread #5

[rosesrREd]

I'm sure this has been discussed, but, IF Nick was let go early, would he have been put on a plane immediately after he was let go?

Supposedly they hold the F2, and send him around around the same time as the F1 as to not give away the ending. That being said, I don't think anyone is let go early, IMO.

[notarose]

[rosesrREd]

I agree. I knew my husband was the one before I even knew his name. I keep going back to the filming and producer visit in Milwaukee. I believe we are in for something BIG!

[MVMom39forever]

To add. Be person in front of me is on the phone. I cannot understand a word she is saying.

I believe this to be true.  I was on 6 flights in the past 6 weeks - 4 on USAir - and I could hear the people behind me talking better than the row in front of me.

And I agree that the most credible seat for videotaping unnoticed would be the person in the aisle seats across the aisle from Nick (and seated slightly behind him). But as many of you have pointed out and I agree, Nick appeared to be sitting in the aisle seat on the left hand side of plane. The person was filming behind Nick in either the middle seat or window seat.  

Also, my flights were really noisy ... not just people talking noises but the overall mechanical/flight sounds were loud. The audio on Nick's plane video just seemed way too clear.

[MVMom39forever]

If it wasn't for the plane spoiler, this would be no contest.  I just watched the fs dates again with an open mind and it is not even close.  Andi loves Nick.  What I have trouble wrapping my mind around is this:  Nick did everything the producers asked, even taking flak for their suggestions or actions such as flowers during Eric time, sneakover, going off to talk with her after Eric, etc.  i just am having a hard time believing he would discuss this on a plane when he knows the rules, but a lot of people would need to be part of this if it was a foiler, including Josh

I would guess that Josh was aware of creating a video foiler but he was not involved in the scripting/filming of it. He had probably already been dangled the Bachelor spot or be a top candidate. Jason M had said in his podcast that they had already started talking to him about it before he left.

If you re-read the transcript, here's a huge clue that what Nick is saying about Josh in plane video is a foiler as it is not an accurate portrayal of Josh and Josh's relationship with Andi. Nick said:

"Josh won’t say s--t," Nick laments. "Like, he’ll do whatever she wants."


We've seen all season that Josh would definitely say "s--t" and he did NOT do whatever Andi wanted. Josh even joked about their head butting during FD and how they've had their disagreements but it was all good as they worked through them. I can count three areas:

1. Lie detector - While Josh took test, he was NOT happy about it. And, we heard him complain to her and others during day and night portion of date ... and THINK the cocktail party pre rose ceremony as well.

2. Jock Image - Josh was outspoken with Andi about her thinking he was a stereotypical player/jock. He stood up to her concerns and convinced her otherwise.

3. HTD/Focus on Aaron - Andi expressed concerns during day portion of date that it was going to be too focused on Aaron. You could see during the first part of dinner with his family that they started with focus on draft situation vs focus on Andi/Josh. Pretty sure she even commented about this in a ITM. She was also not all smiles around dinner table while family talked about Aaron's situation. IMHO she said somewhat left out of conversation. That could have been all the edit but TPTB made a point of showing that scene and showing Josh fully engaged in the discussion/asking questions and making that the priority vs. his Bachelorette experience.

So while Nick was not present for all of the above, I am sure that he recognized that Josh was no shrinking violet based on his time with him during the house.  

What Nick says about Andi in end of video ... "she went back to what she’s used to… I mean, I don’t know how else to… actions speak louder than words."

This feeds right back to Chris' last blog ... setting up Andi going back to what she's used to as the "mistake." If Josh was indeed the F1 and they were planning a wedding this year (as "sources" from show are implying), I could see Chris' blog being along the lines ... "Can Andi get past her insecurities and old stereotypes to realize that Josh is not like the other jocks from the past and can offer her a great, everlasting love."

I also highly doubt that if Josh if F1, Chris H would have written in his blog that Nick's the guy she "aspires" to be with. Wasn't that the whole point of coming on the show?! For ABC to set her up with that dream guy/soul mate?!

If Andi didn't pick Nick and he's F2, I'd think that Chris H's blog would have shed doubt on Nick and push him as the questionable choice. Chris could have referenced how the guys in house questioned Nick's motives and left his readers to chew over whether Andi is she seeing the real Nick or if Nick's ready to propose. Instead Chris H has praised Nick's every action and laser focus on Andi.

 

[rosesrREd]

To add. Be person in front of me is on the phone. I cannot understand a word she is saying.

I believe this to be true.  I was on 6 flights in the past 6 weeks - 4 on USAir - and I could hear the people behind me talking better than the row in front of me.

And I agree that the most credible seat for videotaping unnoticed would be the person in the aisle seats across the aisle from Nick (and seated slightly behind him). But as many of you have pointed out and I agree, Nick appeared to be sitting in the aisle seat on the left hand side of plane. The person was filming behind Nick in either the middle seat or window seat.  

Also, my flights were really noisy ... not just people talking noises but the overall mechanical/flight sounds were loud. The audio on Nick's plane video just seemed way too clear.

The shot was too close up, and Nick was talking too loudly. He clearly knew talking about it was a breach of contract, but yet decided to talk as loudly as possible on a plane full of people.

[MVMom39forever]

^^^Right, Roses, and that makes no sense for a smart guy like Nick to do!

[remockered]

Rr- no, nothing has changed, but this is a mystery that needs solving.

[MonicaJM2001]

^^^Right, Roses, and that makes no sense for a smart guy like Nick to do!

I saw the plane video very early on before I had any type of emotional investment in any of the contestants. In fact I told myself after watching it I noted to my self: well don't get attached to that guy as far as winning but even then something seemed very off about the whole video. In the world we live in, by chance Nick gets on a plane and is right in front of someone who has any clue about what the Bachelor is or that he may have been on it and can pick up a phone conversation where he is randomly recounting that he was dumped loudly in the middle of a plane of strangers and they suddenly care enough to film it and then also coincidentally know who RS is and emails it to him?!!!!!!! even if it is a die hard Bachelor fan why would they necessarily give it to RS so he can take all the credit for it? I can easily hypothesize that they gave whoever his "spy" or "leak' person is the ending they want him to go with and then magically supplement it with this plane video so RS doesn't feel the need to question the validity this time of his sources.

Oh and obviously even though this plane video was out I still couldn't help to become a fan of Nick regardless of it all. It is just way too difficult to not root for him, especially when the pansy other men ganged up on him because he had the nerve to only want to be there for Andi and get as much time as possible with her and their building relationship. He handled it very well. He has been nothing but genuine and loving with Andi and works hard to tell and show her how he feels. Again anyone can say "I love you" "I'm 100% in" but Nick doesn't just tell her, he shows her. "Actions speak louder than words"

[unknown82]

^^^Right, Roses, and that makes no sense for a smart guy like Nick to do!

I saw the plane video very early on before I had any type of emotional investment in any of the contestants. In fact I told myself after watching it I noted to my self: well don't get attached to that guy as far as winning but even then something seemed very off about the whole video. In the world we live in, by chance Nick gets on a plane and is right in front of someone who has any clue about what the Bachelor is or that he may have been on it and can pick up a phone conversation where he is randomly recounting that he was dumped loudly in the middle of a plane of strangers and they suddenly care enough to film it and then also coincidentally know who RS is and emails it to him?!!!!!!! even if it is a die hard Bachelor fan why would they necessarily give it to RS so he can take all the credit for it? I can easily hypothesize that they gave whoever his "spy" or "leak' person is the ending they want him to go with and then magically supplement it with this plane video so RS doesn't feel the need to question the validity this time of his sources.

Oh and obviously even though this plane video was out I still couldn't help to become a fan of Nick regardless of it all. It is just way too difficult to not root for him, especially when the pansy other men ganged up on him because he had the nerve to only want to be there for Andi and get as much time as possible with her and their building relationship. He handled it very well. He has been nothing but genuine and loving with Andi and works hard to tell and show her how he feels. Again anyone can say "I love you" "I'm 100% in" but Nick doesn't just tell her, he shows her. "Actions speak louder than words"

OMG!!!!  This is what I have been observing all this time.   Nick doesn't just tell her he loves her he has shown her through his actions!  And not only that, he tells her why he loves her!  But trust me, Andi knows that and she has said that he is the guy that not only tells her he loves her but he shows her.  So if she is aware of all of this how is this even a competition....  Nick is the F1 plain and simple. And that plane video is a foiler amongst other things!

[Karche]

OMG someone needs to make a gif for me of this last episode! In the intro after andi is on the beach in her pink bathing suit, you see what's coming up after commercial and they actually show where nick is trying to wipe away something from his eyes and andi just goes in for the kiss and then nick just puts both hand on her face and kisses her passionately. This was not shown on the actual date...it seems they are cutting all kisses that andi initiates...like the Venice kiss shown in promo.

[MonicaJM2001]

OMG someone needs to make a gif for me of this last episode! In the intro after andi is on the beach in her pink bathing suit, you see what's coming up after commercial and they actually show where nick is trying to wipe away something from his eyes and andi just goes in for the kiss and then nick just puts both hand on her face and kisses her passionately. This was not shown on the actual date...it seems they are cutting all kisses that andi initiates...like the Venice kiss shown in promo.

They should really just scrap the MTA tomorrow and show us 2 hours worth of Nian's FD (unedited of course) so we can see all the interactions on the beach and at the dinner. I could say the FS too but that would most likely be TMI territory if the preview of it before the lights went off was any indication .

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