Re: The Bachelorette 10 - *Final 1-F2* - Speculation * Sleuthing - Spoilers Thread #3

[SueSt]

It's so fascinating to see how all parties are convinced that their guy is final 1 and have a list of why he's the final 1. It's obvious that one party (or maybe all) is in the wrong.
Hope when all is said and done, the losing team will congratulate the winner and vice versa.

I don't think all that many Nick fans are convinced he's F1.   

I'm convinced that Nick is F1... I watched the first 5 episodes in a marathon unspoiled and then was sure.  
The social media is very interesting and time will tell if I've been fooled, etc... but I always return to the fact that SM is AFTER everything has been decided and the strongest clues are on the screen.
I mean different strokes and all, and I do think Josh is a great catch, but I only see the connection between Nick and Andi.

[Ash2214]

See for me, the clues we get after filming is complete is what seals the deal for me. I think many people forget that what we see on our television isn't always true. The lead has to act and even some of the contestants need to act. For the lead, they get paid to do it. It happens every year and every season. It's the way it goes. I mean, Andi was really making out with Marcus in the streets of Belgium. She was saying super sweet things to him about how their date was perfect. Heck, they were essentially making out against the wall. It was hot. And what happened in the next episode? She sent him home.

Production can easily say, "Hey Andi, we know you're going to pick this guy, but you can't make it obvious so be all over another guy instead." I'm sure things like that happen all the time. It's a produced television show.

[Alanna]

See for me, the clues we get after filming is complete is what seals the deal for me. I think many people forget that what we see on our television isn't always true. The lead has to act and even some of the contestants need to act. For the lead, they get paid to do it. It happens every year and every season. It's the way it goes. I mean, Andi was really making out with Marcus in the streets of Belgium. She was saying super sweet things to him about how their date was perfect. Heck, they were essentially making out against the wall. It was hot. And what happened in the next episode? She sent him home.

Production can easily say, "Hey Andi, we know you're going to pick this guy, but you can't make it obvious so be all over another guy instead." I'm sure things like that happen all the time. It's a produced television show.  

ITA. It's the post show media and especially behavior/feet that tell the story imo.

It's especially obvious this season because the only time she's been out of atl has been to be in fl with her mom and gma and to do media. When would she ever have had time to see Nick if he was f1? Not to mention that she and Josh have disappeared and resurfaced at the same time together all summer.

[Guest]

Its the lists that make me keep swapping who I think is the F1.  I am ~ 52% sure its Josh but will not be shocked if its Nick.  I see strong relationships with both the F2 and like them both.

I'm with you on the fence Tigger - they are great guys, but I don't have a favorite. I've re-watched their dates and see 'it' with both. Last night, I listened again verrrryyyy carefully to the plane vid. Like many people have said, it's believability swings me to Josh's side somewhat. Yet, a small part of me thinks Nick, Andi, Josh and whoever else, are smart, savvy and funny enough to pull it off as a foiler. And could someone REALLY have gotten all of that by chance?   Also, watching Andi's face during her FS date with Josh, I *thought* I saw sadness at times when he talked of his love. But, I didn't detect that with Nick. [Good season MF!]

[SueSt]

Its the lists that make me keep swapping who I think is the F1.  I am ~ 52% sure its Josh but will not be shocked if its Nick.  I see strong relationships with both the F2 and like them both.

I'm with you on the fence Tigger - they are great guys, but I don't have a favorite. I've re-watched their dates and see 'it' with both. Last night, I listened again verrrryyyy carefully to the plane vid. Like many people have said, it's believability swings me to Josh's side somewhat. Yet, a small part of me thinks Nick, Andi, Josh and whoever else, are smart, savvy and funny enough to pull it off as a foiler. And could someone REALLY have gotten all of that by chance?   Also, watching Andi's face during her FS date with Josh, I *thought* I saw sadness at times when he talked of his love. But, I didn't detect that with Nick. [Good season MF!]

Hi Bkay,
Can you clarify what you mean by sadness?? do you think it was a positive or negative sign??
Thanks, Sue

[soccermom333]

Its the lists that make me keep swapping who I think is the F1.  I am ~ 52% sure its Josh but will not be shocked if its Nick.  I see strong relationships with both the F2 and like them both.

I'm with you on the fence Tigger - they are great guys, but I don't have a favorite. I've re-watched their dates and see 'it' with both. Last night, I listened again verrrryyyy carefully to the plane vid. Like many people have said, it's believability swings me to Josh's side somewhat. Yet, a small part of me thinks Nick, Andi, Josh and whoever else, are smart, savvy and funny enough to pull it off as a foiler. And could someone REALLY have gotten all of that by chance?   Also, watching Andi's face during her FS date with Josh, I *thought* I saw sadness at times when he talked of his love. But, I didn't detect that with Nick. [Good season MF!]

I respect your opinion but it is like we are watching different shows. I don't see sadness when Josh tells andi he loves her, I see giddiness, relief, joy,....and passion. I also know what got me off the fence was all the post show SM and watching the feet. This tells the story too.

[Guest]

Sue, I didn't notice her facial expressions the first time I watched, but going back over the FS dates, I watched with sound and without, slowing it down and going back again. The sadness I mentioned: he would say words of love or something positive about them, and Andi's eyes dropped, her lips curved down instead of staying in a smile or relaxed position. Her face became somewhat 'frozen' - I wish I could explain it better. She did that more than once during their convo. It could all be in what the editors chose to show, they could be trying to cast doubt on her feelings for Josh, or ...it could be my imagination! I don't have a dog in this hunt, so am unbiased, but I might go back and see it entirely differently next time.

[SueSt]

Sue, I didn't notice her facial expressions the first time I watched, but going back over the FS dates, I watched with sound and without, slowing it down and going back again. The sadness I mentioned: he would say words of love or something positive about them, and Andi's eyes dropped, her lips curved down instead of staying in a smile or relaxed position. Her face became somewhat 'frozen' - I wish I could explain it better. She did that more than once during their convo. It could all be in what the editors chose to show, they could be trying to cast doubt on her feelings for Josh, or ...it could be my imagination! I don't have a dog in this hunt, so am unbiased, but I might go back and see it entirely differently next time.

interesting; thanks for sharing your observations.
and agree the show is so highly edited sometimes it's hard to know what you are really seeing!!   
the entire second portion of Andi's day beach date with Nick in DR was edited like a horror film to me  

[Alanna]

Sue, I didn't notice her facial expressions the first time I watched, but going back over the FS dates, I watched with sound and without, slowing it down and going back again. The sadness I mentioned: he would say words of love or something positive about them, and Andi's eyes dropped, her lips curved down instead of staying in a smile or relaxed position. Her face became somewhat 'frozen' - I wish I could explain it better. She did that more than once during their convo. It could all be in what the editors chose to show, they could be trying to cast doubt on her feelings for Josh, or ...it could be my imagination! I don't have a dog in this hunt, so am unbiased, but I might go back and see it entirely differently next time.

She looked like she was about to cry to me, almost the entire time. I took it differently than you though- I think she was so overwhelmed and just like she said, could not believe he's the type of man to say all these things to her and so openly.

[soccermom333]

Remember during their FD right before she gave him the fantasy card, she whispered I love when you say these things, and then she said i never thought you would say them. It was finally sinking in that he "liked" her as much as she "liked" him. On the bench during their day-time portion of the date, when he was professing his feelings, she at one point started shaking him. Very telling body language imo.

[Ash2214]

^ Thank you!! I totally couldn't hear what she whispered to him but I saw your post, when back to their date and listened and you're totally right! Thanks

[Hotmomma]

Its the lists that make me keep swapping who I think is the F1.  I am ~ 52% sure its Josh but will not be shocked if its Nick.  I see strong relationships with both the F2 and like them both.

This is where I am at also..

The SM clues to me just muddies the water.

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