Re: The Bachelorette 10 - *Final 1-F2* - Speculation * Sleuthing - Spoilers Thread #3

[sdmom]

Hope this is the right place to post this.  Someone reminded us in  Josh's fan thread  that Andi won't open the letter from her F2 at MTA.    That got me thinking...what if NICK contacted the producer and asked if he could come to MTA and give it to her??  Just an idea...that's why he was in LA and that's why the producer was in Milwaukee.   Maybe???

I really don't think he was at MTA taping. Chloe confirmed it. Besides, Nick was spotted in Venice, LA and then later in a farmers market (I am guessing in Santa Monica) late morning or early afternoon Saturday. Time-wise, he couldn't make it to MTA taping. Did he meet up with Andi before or after taping? Possible , but not during. IMO.

[Luvstruck]

Like the end of Emily's season when she didn't tell Arie she was choosing Jeff and just left him hanging on to hope that she walked away with no one then his going to her home and leaving her.... his journal who knows what will happen especially with sitings of spoiled F2 Nick being filmed in WI then showing up in LA during time of MTA. Usually the F1 is in LA during MTA taping to be with the lead but Josh was home and Nick was there.....can't wait to find out really how this all ended.

[MiaHawk]

The letter may not even be from Nick.  Maybe it's from Chris B.    

But, let's assume for argument sake that it is a letter from Nick...

Regardless of when it was written, I wouldn't have a problem with Nick asking Andi if she would like to meet up with him and have a conversation, or to say that his heart is still open to her and if she has changed her mind about Josh that he is still interested in pursuing a relationship with her. He only knows what he has seen through this highly edited show.  After seeing how his scenes were edited and manipulated, he can assume that Josh's were equally manipulated to fit MF's storyline.  Therefore, even with post-show media interviews and SM, Nick doesn't REALLY know if Andi and Josh are happy.  Every year we get the photo of the happy couple on the cover a rag.  And then we get a picture of the two with the cracked heart around them.  You know what I'm talking about.  

So, how is Nick truly supposed to know the status of Andi and Josh's relationship?  Obviously, Nick fell head over heals in love with Andi.  Some say it was only bubble love; others think it was real.  But, if he emerged from the bubble and STILL had an interest in getting the girl, doesn't that point in the direction of real feelings?  If I were in his shoes, and I had not reached a point of closure in my feelings towards the lead, I would want to sit down face to face without cameras and have a conversation.  I would want to see with my own two eyes that they looked happy, and to hear from their own mouth without any expectations from TPTB that they were truly in love and happy with their decision.  At that point I would be able to walk away knowing that I did all that I could do, and it just wasn't meant to be.  But to think that I would be capable of reaching full closure after being blindsided and flown off of an island and shipped home to live with no further communication with the person with whom I had fallen madly in love with?  Heck no.  I would have way too many unanswered questions.  My mind would be spinning day and night.  And I imagine that Nick's mind was spinning day and night, too.  

Some people can move on quickly with shades of grey.  Others take more time and need to see things in black and white.  I think if you're an analytical person in this wacky situation it would be difficult.  It's difficult, always, to see the F2 at ATFR.  Sometimes it is sadder than others.  But if TPTB played a role in manipulating and exploiting Nick post-season into believing he had a chance with Andi, it is not only sad but very cruel.  When poor Arie had to sit there while Emily with that smirk on her face pulled out that journal of his, I wanted to puke.  You could see the frightened look in his eyes.  Were they not only going to bring up the act that he flew to Charlotte and left her the journal?  Or were they going to turn to page 30 and read aloud one of his entries?  You just never know with these demon producers, because they will do anything for ratings.  They will drive the bus over you and then back up and do it a few more times.  They do not give a rat's a$$ about any of these people.

So, as Monday approached, I just pray that this letter thing passes without further embarrassment and vitriol being flung in Nick's direction.  The poor guy has gotten more than his fair share of being cast as the villian of the season.  He doesn't need to be edited as the stalker-ex who cannot take no for an answer.  And let's face it, if Andi explained her decision to send Nick home in a similar manner that she explained herself to Chris, then do we have to wonder about Nick's lack of clarity?  Especially since she did invite him to the FS.  I'm sure he thought that meant something special to her.

In the plane video he mentions something about Andi saying "It's hard" as her reason of letting him go.  He says into the phone (paraphrased) It was so easy when we were together, but she was saying it was hard.   In my opinion, Andi wasn't saying that her interactions with Nick was difficult (like he interpreted).  I think she was saying that the choice between him and Josh was difficult and the break up conversation was difficult.  So, something as simple as that statement could have brought up a hundred questions in his head.  

All four of the final guys were quality men.  I know it is difficult to make the choices and send these guys home, and I'm not saying that Andi did a poor job (because I do think she did a decent job and that she wanted to do a decent job and was trying really hard to do a decent job).  But, still, when emotions are running high and there is a surprise element to the elimination, it is difficult to process all that the other person is saying in the moment.  I can understand completely Nick needing more time to speak to Andi, and his wanting to do it alone.

[emusha]

Well, from the new Facebook preview, it looks like the F2 guy wrote her a letter recently because it appears she gets the letter before the MTA.

https://www.facebook.com/TheBachelorette?fref=photo

Yikes.

"a letter from the one she didn't choose"

soo here's a cynical take on what tptb are capable of having seen them put people's hearts through the ringer season after season (tho the participants of this wringing seem to lap it up with a side of fame and attention i guess   )
this is just a hypotetical scenario but it makes sense of some of the craziness flying around this season

1. nick's plane vid release was unprecedented - it goes out goes viral (OR tptb have it made and planted dun dun dun   )
2. tptb sit around and create a "GET-BUZZ-up-for-this-show-from-the-beginning" plan - if the vid is a surprise they go into crisis aversion mode if it isn't they go into PR planning mode -- remember ALL publicity is good publicity so it essentially doesn't matter much for them as long as it lets them capitalize on the opportunity
3. tptb deploy a plan to optimize attention around the video
4. tptb create and deploy a storyboard that places Nick as the frontrunner who is hated - why frontrunner? cos it counters the plan video. why hated? cos you want people to NOT want her to pick him in the end + because bad publicity/villains are wonderful publicity for this show and lastly why show scenes that portray the connection with Andi making Nick the frontrunner ? cos nick was in love with her and disagreed with her choice and could be manipulated/convinced to go after her at any point to drive up buzz ESPECIALLY
5. play up all these elements of a redeemable villain whose connection is soo "real and true" on screen but was spoiled as F2 and nobody likes him is now in motion
6. The same plan is paralleled with a producer manupilation plan where nick and his handler/producer are in constant communication about how andi still loves him he should go after her blah blah blah (this is especially important if the video was indeed a leak unprecedented by the franchise)
7. then is set in motion when they suddenly switch the edit and Josh becomes a frontrunner and it sure looks like she might pick him but then when you thought you knew everything....
8. they get nick to write her a letter (which he might actually mean cos he sees their connection on screen play out) and go after her...convince him his contract requires that they continue to film his relationship so they find him in MKE
9. then nick's letter and he arrive in LA during MTA to dun dun dun.....create the biggest cliff hanger in bachelorette history EVER!!!! - can't you just see that cheese grin of MF/Millsy's with dollar signs in his eyes at this point
10. people continue to tune in till the AFTR for a season where spoilers could have been a wrench (or an orchestration) and there you have it...
whether someone finds love or not whether the story we see is the love story (or "infatuation" story) ...someone gonna get PAID reallyyy big...

THE END
 :strings1 

[pander3575]

The letter may not even be from Nick.  Maybe it's from Chris B.    

But, let's assume for argument sake that it is a letter from Nick...

Regardless of when it was written, I wouldn't have a problem with Nick asking Andi if she would like to meet up with him and have a conversation, or to say that his heart is still open to her and if she has changed her mind about Josh that he is still interested in pursuing a relationship with her. He only knows what he has seen through this highly edited show.  After seeing how his scenes were edited and manipulated, he can assume that Josh's were equally manipulated to fit MF's storyline.  Therefore, even with post-show media interviews and SM, Nick doesn't REALLY know if Andi and Josh are happy.  Every year we get the photo of the happy couple on the cover a rag.  And then we get a picture of the two with the cracked heart around them.  You know what I'm talking about.  

So, how is Nick truly supposed to know the status of Andi and Josh's relationship?  Obviously, Nick fell head over heals in love with Andi.  Some say it was only bubble love; others think it was real.  But, if he emerged from the bubble and STILL had an interest in getting the girl, doesn't that point in the direction of real feelings?  If I were in his shoes, and I had not reached a point of closure in my feelings towards the lead, I would want to sit down face to face without cameras and have a conversation.  I would want to see with my own two eyes that they looked happy, and to hear from their own mouth without any expectations from TPTB that they were truly in love and happy with their decision.  At that point I would be able to walk away knowing that I did all that I could do, and it just wasn't meant to be.  But to think that I would be capable of reaching full closure after being blindsided and flown off of an island and shipped home to live with no further communication with the person with whom I had fallen madly in love with?  Heck no.  I would have way too many unanswered questions.  My mind would be spinning day and night.  And I imagine that Nick's mind was spinning day and night, too.  

Some people can move on quickly with shades of grey.  Others take more time and need to see things in black and white.  I think if you're an analytical person in this wacky situation it would be difficult.  It's difficult, always, to see the F2 at ATFR.  Sometimes it is sadder than others.  But if TPTB played a role in manipulating and exploiting Nick post-season into believing he had a chance with Andi, it is not only sad but very cruel.  When poor Arie had to sit there while Emily with that smirk on her face pulled out that journal of his, I wanted to puke.  You could see the frightened look in his eyes.  Were they not only going to bring up the act that he flew to Charlotte and left her the journal?  Or were they going to turn to page 30 and read aloud one of his entries?  You just never know with these demon producers, because they will do anything for ratings.  They will drive the bus over you and then back up and do it a few more times.  They do not give a rat's a$$ about any of these people.

So, as Monday approached, I just pray that this letter thing passes without further embarrassment and vitriol being flung in Nick's direction.  The poor guy has gotten more than his fair share of being cast as the villian of the season.  He doesn't need to be edited as the stalker-ex who cannot take no for an answer.  And let's face it, if Andi explained her decision to send Nick home in a similar manner that she explained herself to Chris, then do we have to wonder about Nick's lack of clarity?  Especially since she did invite him to the FS.  I'm sure he thought that meant something special to her.

In the plane video he mentions something about Andi saying "It's hard" as her reason of letting him go.  He says into the phone (paraphrased) It was so easy when we were together, but she was saying it was hard.   In my opinion, Andi wasn't saying that her interactions with Nick was difficult (like he interpreted).  I think she was saying that the choice between him and Josh was difficult and the break up conversation was difficult.  So, something as simple as that statement could have brought up a hundred questions in his head.  

All four of the final guys were quality men.  I know it is difficult to make the choices and send these guys home, and I'm not saying that Andi did a poor job (because I do think she did a decent job and that she wanted to do a decent job and was trying really hard to do a decent job).  But, still, when emotions are running high and there is a surprise element to the elimination, it is difficult to process all that the other person is saying in the moment.  I can understand completely Nick needing more time to speak to Andi, and his wanting to do it alone.

  

[sbolduc]

Great perspective Mia!

[sdmom]

Now I am calmer and I have new thoughts.
Why do we automatically assume Nick wrote the letter? The promo says "a letter from the one she didn't choose", that could be any of them! I don't think they will show Andi read the letter in MTA, or people will know who the winner is. Why would TPTB do that?
We never heard about a letter until now. RS and our own chloep didn't mention a letter from f2. Now,  right after the US article said F2 asked for a second chance. Coincidence?
IMO, it's just all to drum up interests for the MTA. (keep my fingers crossed!)

[SueSt]

Now I am calmer and I have new thoughts.
Why do we automatically assume Nick wrote the letter? The promo says "a letter from the one she didn't choose", that could be any of them! I don't think they will show Andi read the letter in MTA, or people will know who the winner is. Why would TPTB do that?
We never heard about a letter until now. RS and our own chloep didn't mention a letter from f2. Now,  right after the US article said F2 asked for a second chance. Coincidence?
IMO, it's just all to drum up interests for the MTA. (keep my fingers crossed!)

Absolutely, YES. Smokescreen for sure.

[motheroffive]

While I think it may have been filmed at the MTA it does not look to me that it is to be a part of the MTA. It is in the preview when it says " and in one week" which is talking about the Finale. So maybe it will be after the RC but before the start of the AFTR.

[Mirzam]

While I think it may have been filmed at the MTA it does not look to me that it is to be a part of the MTA. It is in the preview when it says " and in one week" which is talking about the Finale. So maybe it will be after the RC but before the start of the AFTR.

This is what I think too. And I think it is referring to the F2 guy and not someone from the MTA.

[isittrue]

Now I am calmer and I have new thoughts.
Why do we automatically assume Nick wrote the letter? The promo says "a letter from one she didn't choose", that's 24 of them! I don't think they will show Andi read the letter in MTA, or people will know who the winner is. Why would TPTB do that?
We never heard about a letter until now. RS and our own chloep didn't mention a letter from f2. Now,  right after the US article said F2 asked for a second chance. Coincidence?
IMO, it's just all to drum up interests for the MTA. (keep my fingers crossed!)

Wow! Really like this train of thought but still wondering why they would show Nick and Josh's picture when the narration says the one she did not choose. She receives the letter backstage so it may not been brought up at the MTA so no one would know about the letter. Maybe the show ends itself in a cliffhanger with Andi and CH discussing the letter with the final 2 at ATFR as another posted speculated....

[sdmom]

What I really want is for Andi/Josh/Nick all move on, be happy and content whatever the outcome of the show is. Can July 28 be here soon?

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