Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #5

[Beagle]

^^ I have no idea roses. I don't remember why they did it for Kelly Jo, all I know that filming is a mystery to me that Im dying to figure out, and seriously hope its not more manipulation to make Nick look worst.

[stuckinsc]

Sorry I have to object : his tweet only said mom and dad probably would not let Bella watch FD episode. She is only 9 or 10, so I think it's perfectly normal not to let her watch that episode because you never know what the edit will show.I don't thinkI will let my teenager sons watch the show with me, too weird. Or I maybe too naive?

I don't see Nick's tweets as slights to Andi and Josh.  I guess if you have absolutely no sense of humor, maybe, but Josh has a sense of humor.  I have pointed out his friendship with a woman who called him a Florida Douche on first meeting.  That doesn't sound like a guy petty enough to be annoyed by all the stuff that some think he is bothered by. 

I maybe giving Josh too much credit, but I want to feel this way about him and believe that these three people, Andi, Josh and Nick are all too mature and have enough humor to not take things nearly as seriously as others have.

[cindebugg]

At first I thought they want him as the bachelor.  I still think it is a possibility if for some reason chris and/or his family don't want him to do it.  Then I thought he will be missing the ATFR.  Now I don't believe so, but still not sure.  Nick seems fine now so I can see him going.

 I honestly think Andi was only intimate with Josh and shared a closeness with Nick during the FS but not what she shared with Josh.  IMO   

I just got home and have not had time to check the rumors on Chris being the next bachelor.  I still have a feeling something is up with the network and getting behind Chris.  Off to check.  

I think she was intimate with both.  It was clear from their video messages.  Sorry Josh.

If it weren't for the yellow and purple ribbons that showed up on 2 of Andi and Josh's most important dates I might believe it.  I think as deeply as Andi is in love with Josh at this point in filming she would consider it cheating on Josh.
IMO, Fliess gave us the clues of what went on inside those fantasy suites.  Longwinded Nick talked her ear off, and they kissed on the couch.   OTOH, Josh and Andi came across a fireworks display and then walked a beautiful candle lit path to the pool where we than get a 60 second romantic, sensual montage of foreplay.  No basic, standard Bachelor lights out scene for them.

[cindebugg]

I am being seriously curious because I didn't watch last season.

No. There's no way Andi was intimate with JPG.

JPG was in love with Nikki. That's why during Andi's FS night, they talked and laughed all night. The next day JPG says he had a great time, they talked and laughed. They cut to Andi and she's furious. She said he talked about himself, didn't ask her any questions about herself. She approaches him and says she want's to leave, she doesn't think there's a connection. He says "ess okkayy" (some take that at offensive,)she threw a fit, and said IT'S NOT OKAY". She told him, he didn't even ask her what religion she was. He was trying to let her know it was okay that she wanted to leave. But, she when on and on and on, crying and carrying on. This is why I and other's call it her Oscar performance into the next Bachelorette role.

A little long, but I wanted to get the point across as to why there's no way they were intimate.

ETA: I'm not sure if Andi was intimate with Nick, maybe I'm just naive.

I'm sticking by my theory that there is no way an F2 can think he is F1 unless he has been intimate in FS.  The only exception would be in Emily's case where she had a daughter and  had sensitivity about that issue.  But I also don't know what happened in those FS either (OBVI!)   

There are a number of excuses that could be used that wouldn't raise suspicion.  The easiest to believe would be that time of the month.

[MiaHawk]

It is my gut feeling that Andi drove 2 vehicles off of the lot while in DR.

My gut tells me that although they may not have required seatbelts, Nick and Andi definitely looked under the hood and kicked the tires.

With Josh, I think they may have reached speeds requiring seatbelts.

[kdubs_ca]

It is my gut feeling that Andi drove 2 vehicles off of the lot while in DR.  

My gut tells me that although they may not have required seatbelts, Nick and Andi definitely looked under the hood and kicked the tires.    

With Josh, I think they may have reached speeds requiring seatbelts.    

     

Hope that doesn't impact the resale value of the F2!

[Guest]

It is my gut feeling that Andi drove 2 vehicles off of the lot while in DR.  

My gut tells me that although they may not have required seatbelts, Nick and Andi definitely looked under the hood and kicked the tires.    

With Josh, I think they may have reached speeds requiring seatbelts.    

     

Hope that doesn't impact the resale value of the F2!

And posts like these are why I should not be reading the forum at work!   

[emad0722]

It is my gut feeling that Andi drove 2 vehicles off of the lot while in DR.  

My gut tells me that although they may not have required seatbelts, Nick and Andi definitely looked under the hood and kicked the tires.    

With Josh, I think they may have reached speeds requiring seatbelts.    

     

Hope that doesn't impact the resale value of the F2!

Hahahahahahaha

[GuardianAngel]

Remember how Reid reacted to Jilly after being sent home?  He inferred that they were intimate in the FS and brought it up at the AFRC.  

Yep, anything goes after the door is shut and the camera crew is gone!   

That was horrible! jinx! I was thinking the same thing.

ETA: Yikes! Please don't let that happen again if Nick is the F2

Jinx!  GA, you need to get with the times and not be naïve about the FS, I read recently one season the supply of ABC provided "precaution" was depleted!    

Clearly I'm not with the times! I was looking for page 2 !

After reading that, it certainly changes my mind on my thoughts. Now trying to understand it is another thing. If Andi knew Josh was her F1, why would she be intimate with Nick? If you are totally in love with someone, would you be intimate with someone else? I don't understand that concept.

I suppose this is where "I'm not with the times!"   

[MiaHawk]

That was horrible! jinx! I was thinking the same thing.

ETA: Yikes! Please don't let that happen again if Nick is the F2

Jinx!  GA, you need to get with the times and not be naïve about the FS, I read recently one season the supply of ABC provided "precaution" was depleted!    

Clearly I'm not with the times! I was looking for page 2 !

After reading that, it certainly changes my mind on my thoughts. Now trying to understand it is another thing. If Andi knew Josh was her F1, why would she be intimate with Nick? If you are totally in love with someone, would you be intimate with someone else? I don't understand that concept.

I suppose this is where "I'm not with the times!"   

GA, I'm personally "not with the times" either, and quite frankly I'm glad. LOL

If you look at these contestants (and their contemporaries), many (certainly not all) have sex with anyone with whom they share an attraction (or a few alcoholic beverages). Love may be involved, but it is certainly not a requisite. Do you think Dylan has been in love 20+ times? Yet he admitted to having sex with more than 20 women. And, just today I read that Marcus, my little strudel, may not have admitted on the LD date that he has kanoodled with more than 20 poodles. Am I shocked? No. Why? Well, have you seen the man?! I'm sure Marcus has to beat women off of him with a stick, and sometimes his arms must get awfully tired and then he just needs to lie down and rest and then those hoes take advantage of him!   No, seriously...Do I think that Marcus has been in love with 20+ women? No. Afterall, Andi was only the 2nd woman he brought home to meet his mom (and that was only because it was a requirement of this show   )

My point is this: Sex can be...
1) sharing the most intimate physical act with the one person that they are in love with, to the extent that they will/are wed til death do them part, taking into account the possibility that their intercourse may result in a pregnancy, in which case they would be happily committed to co-parenting with this sex partner for the rest of their lives. And said sexual intercourse is the physical manifestation of their intense emotional and mental love for one another.
or 2) something fun that you do with somebody cute that you kinda like
or 3) something you do every time you go out and have a few beers (because for some reason they look cuter and you kinda like them when you have downed a few brews)

Now, think about this show... You have 2 or 3 guys who are madly in bubble love with the lead. This places them somewhere ahead of reason #2 and almost at reason #1. They justify it. They know that in their lifetime that they have already slept with a person, or two, or three, or 20 that they didn't even feel this strongly about. So, they feel like sleeping with the lead in the FS is a no-brainer. Why wouldn't they? They've already lived a life of casual sex or really low standards, and they probably feel pretty good about having sex on this incredible island paradise with a decent, smart, attractive girl with whom they have a 50/50 chance of becoming engaged to. And, I feel the you can say all the same for the lead. She has slept with men for whom she did not have as strong of a connection, love, or the 50/50 chance of being proposed to by.

I'm not saying it's a normal situation. In a normal situation no man would propose to a woman who has been simultaneously dating several men and quite possibly swapped DNA with the night prior to his engagement. But, somehow, on this show it happens like that. Not always, but sometimes. And the reason it does is because of the contestants attitudes towards what sex means and with whom do you share sex with. I'm not saying it is right or wrong. Simply trying to suggest one reason for why it might happen that 2 (or 3) men sleep with the lead, and then they compartmentalize it and not think it's really that big of a deal.  

[emusha]

hmmmm wasn't thinking I'd have much to say on this end but if you observe the body language after Nick told Andi ILY....it was very obvious that the two were hot for each other...she was very into it and so was he....with that kind of fire between them they must have gotten pretty close during their private time if only to relieve that unbelievable intensity between them...

And with Josh -- Andi has the HOTS for josh it's very obvious from how she touches him and puts herself in his personal space...I wouldn't be shocked at all if Andi was in the moment with each of these guys during her FS

Another point - I also have no illusions of Andi being in LOVE (bubble or otherwise) with either guy at this point or even at the FRC...she's pretty guarded, calculated and in control....she's not blubbering like Nick or blushing and permagrining like Josh

This is not to say that she did sleep with these guys I'm just saying if she carries the vibe from the FD into the FS without reallyyyyy putting some serious brakes with skeeding and the tires possibly going out of control...she'll be intimate in some way with the guys (maybe not all the way...but one of the bases before 3rd)

[Guest]

Jinx!  GA, you need to get with the times and not be naïve about the FS, I read recently one season the supply of ABC provided "precaution" was depleted!    

Clearly I'm not with the times! I was looking for page 2 !

After reading that, it certainly changes my mind on my thoughts. Now trying to understand it is another thing. If Andi knew Josh was her F1, why would she be intimate with Nick? If you are totally in love with someone, would you be intimate with someone else? I don't understand that concept.

I suppose this is where "I'm not with the times!"   

GA, I'm personally "not with the times" either, and quite frankly I'm glad.  LOL  

If you look at these contestants (and their contemporaries), many (certainly not all) have sex with anyone with whom they share an attraction (or a few alcoholic beverages). Love may be involved, but it is certainly not a requisite.  Do you think Dylan has been in love 20+ times?  Yet he admitted to having sex with more than 20 women.  And, just today I read that Marcus, my little strudel, may not have admitted on the LD date that he has kanoodled with more than 20 poodles.  Am I shocked?  No.  Why?  Well, have you seen the man?!  I'm sure Marcus has to beat women off of him with a stick, and sometimes his arms must get awfully tired and then he just needs to lie down and rest and then those hoes take advantage of him!    No, seriously...Do I think that Marcus has been in love with 20+ women?  No.  Afterall, Andi was only the 2nd woman he brought home to meet his mom (and that was only because it was a requirement of this show   )  
 

   at the bolded. your little strudel…haha. initially, i assumed marcus was embarrassed at how high his number must be, but then i wondered if he was trying to pad his number like andi padding her bathing suit bra.  no wonder he thought he was in love with andi. he probably doesn't spend much time with these women being so BUSY and all. oh well, he is still HAWT.

we will now return you to your regularly scheduled nickfest.

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