Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #5

[nutty1]

ABC is owned by Disney….may be all part of her contract.

[emusha]

Yes, Roberto was seen out and about during the MTA weekend that was a safe house weekend.  But, I doubt that Andi would be using her safe house time to go to an amusement park.  All of this is very puzzling.  I'm surprised she is not with her F1 this weekend.  Whoever he may be....

that's a good point...though I wonder if the SH visits happen in a weekend very close to an MTA if they do indeed go forward it - some couples are together for it (aliberto, Jash & Deeana & jesse ...are all couples? any info on this). the other part that's really confusing me is the filming of additional storyboard footage ...why would they need additional milwakee footage when bio footage already exists?????       
it seems like there's something fishy going on whatever it may be...Hotmamma also pointed out that usually by this time there're FRC screenshots or even AFTR footage in the promos...seems like they're keeping these under wraps

[whit90]

I respect your opinion, but for me it is just the opposite.  Josh and Andi's chemistry is off the charts or me, and something that the producers had to hide and exploit the chemistry she had with others.   I also have been watching the show for a long time and can see producer manipulation early on.

Just my opinion.  

I was unspoiled until episode 3-4 and thought it was Josh, though Nick's flowers were significant to her. We later found out that tptb hid their first kiss on ep. 3. After Nick's Venice date it started to change for me. She gave him a very important date with the tux/prince stuff. Also, the sneak out kisses were waaaaaaaaay beyond what her job required of her. She continues to make sure he gets a lot of things first, the FIR, the first HTD and now the first FD which will make Hy happy. My only problem is that it is really following exactly what Nick said on the plane video. He told us the story. Obviously, I hope the video is a fake, but I'm not holding out much hope there. For me, the bigger question is wth happened at the end.

The day part of their FD looks amazing. I'm not buying any of the reasons why Nick got that date over Josh. Look at all that time they got with no mics on in the water, not to mention all the closeness that date gives them. She wanted him there just like she wanted him on the date in Venice, him with the fire works after the group date, him sneaking to her room, and him in the ocean with their hands all over each other. Not saying she didn't like Josh. Obviously she did and he would be her expected choice which also fits what Nick said in the video. TPTB are showing us the love story and his video told us the ending. Nick was not delusional and she was probably giving him way more than we even saw all along. He had every right to believe he'd be the F1. (though he should never had talked to the other guys about it)

We don't know if Josh and Andi didn't have long make out sessions or if they just didn't show us, so I'm not sure how Josh fans see him as a clear winner w/o the spoilers. I'm guessing Josh didn't want to go there on camera (understandable) and brought the passion in the FS. That may have changed the ending. It was finally as passionate as it had been all along with Nick. Poor Nick.   

Side note- I think Nick might have told her he loved her in the ocean. He wanted to tell her as she was leaving on the HTD and they were without mics in the ocean. The camera crew was pretty far away. It was the most privacy they've had. He was bursting to tell her. She would have been able to tell him her feelings in return. Like Arie said, you can really say anything. If she didn't say it back, it should be a red flag to him. If he says it again at dinner, it may be the second time.

Here's a slight PRO Nick F1 observation- Mamma Murray has twice tweeted/instagrammed about cutting the cord. That's mocking Andi IMO. She's either not going to be ANdi's MIL or she's going to be a difficult one. I have no problem with her concept that's it's not necessary to cut the cord and Andi can just join it, BUT that would be for Josh and Andi to work through and decide and she should shut up. She's either not too bright or not the future MIL. (IMO)

TPTB were beating us over the head with all the mask symbolism.  Very apropos that Nick was on that particular date.    I don't think anything happened at the end. IMO it happened in Ghent when Josh said he was falling in love with her. Andi committed to Josh with a silly yellow ribbon and it was over for the other guys.  Anything after that is just Andi fulfilling her commitment to ABC.

If Andi is just fulfilling her commitment to ABC then she has a lot of explaining to do with Josh if he is her F1.

[Guest]

Yes, Roberto was seen out and about during the MTA weekend that was a safe house weekend.  But, I doubt that Andi would be using her safe house time to go to an amusement park.  All of this is very puzzling.  I'm surprised she is not with her F1 this weekend.  Whoever he may be....

that's a good point...though I wonder if the SH visits happen in a weekend very close to an MTA if they do indeed go forward it - some couples are together for it (aliberto, Jash & Deeana & jesse ...are all couples? any info on this). the other part that's really confusing me is the filming of additional storyboard footage ...why would they need additional milwakee footage when bio footage already exists?????       
it seems like there's something fishy going on whatever it may be...Hotmamma also pointed out that usually by this time there're FRC screenshots or even AFTR footage in the promos...seems like they're keeping these under wraps

We don't know that bio footage exist. They never posted a bio for Nick. ATFR- is live so no promos for that.

@whit90... first of all  :WAVEY: and second totally agree. She went way beyond her obligations against the tree and in the sea.

[luvlady345]

I guess all the Leads male/female have a lot of explaining to do.... They are dating multiple people everyone of them signed up for this..... If any of them cared we wouldn't have any of these relationship that last beyond the show.. Most of the chosen one don't watch the show and why should they? The lead chose them ask JP and Chris.....

[emusha]

Yes, Roberto was seen out and about during the MTA weekend that was a safe house weekend.  But, I doubt that Andi would be using her safe house time to go to an amusement park.  All of this is very puzzling.  I'm surprised she is not with her F1 this weekend.  Whoever he may be....

that's a good point...though I wonder if the SH visits happen in a weekend very close to an MTA if they do indeed go forward it - some couples are together for it (aliberto, Jash & Deeana & jesse ...are all couples? any info on this). the other part that's really confusing me is the filming of additional storyboard footage ...why would they need additional milwakee footage when bio footage already exists?????       
it seems like there's something fishy going on whatever it may be...Hotmamma also pointed out that usually by this time there're FRC screenshots or even AFTR footage in the promos...seems like they're keeping these under wraps

We don't know that bio footage exist. They never posted a bio for Nick. ATFR- is live so no promos for that.

@whit90... first of all  :WAVEY: and second totally agree. She went way beyond her obligations against the tree and in the sea.

I had posted elsewhere about this....it doesn't make any sense not to record al 25 guys' bios and have them available....theyd want to get each guy fresh before his experience in the show it's terribly sloppy to go back and get it after the show starts airing. PLUS it's not just any producer that's with him it's a storyboard producer that's trying to get the edit fitting the storyboard....very key distinction.

[SueSt]

^^^ ok; what do you think it suggests emusha??

[Guest]

that's a good point...though I wonder if the SH visits happen in a weekend very close to an MTA if they do indeed go forward it - some couples are together for it (aliberto, Jash & Deeana & jesse ...are all couples? any info on this). the other part that's really confusing me is the filming of additional storyboard footage ...why would they need additional milwakee footage when bio footage already exists?????       
it seems like there's something fishy going on whatever it may be...Hotmamma also pointed out that usually by this time there're FRC screenshots or even AFTR footage in the promos...seems like they're keeping these under wraps

We don't know that bio footage exist. They never posted a bio for Nick. ATFR- is live so no promos for that.

@whit90... first of all  :WAVEY: and second totally agree. She went way beyond her obligations against the tree and in the sea.

I had posted elsewhere about this....it doesn't make any sense not to record al 25 guys' bios and have them available....theyd want to get each guy fresh before his experience in the show it's terribly sloppy to go back and get it after the show starts airing. PLUS it's not just any producer that's with him it's a storyboard producer that's trying to get the edit fitting the storyboard....very key distinction.

I agree and btw you had a brilliant take on the distinction between her 2 choices. I wish Nick could read it.

On Andi having a lot of explaining to do... this is another thing that makes me think Nick was telling the truth about a last minute change of heart. I keep thinking about Hy asking about the order of the dates with Jpabs. She would have very little explaining to do with Nick.

[Guest]

that's a good point...though I wonder if the SH visits happen in a weekend very close to an MTA if they do indeed go forward it - some couples are together for it (aliberto, Jash & Deeana & jesse ...are all couples? any info on this). the other part that's really confusing me is the filming of additional storyboard footage ...why would they need additional milwakee footage when bio footage already exists?????       
it seems like there's something fishy going on whatever it may be...Hotmamma also pointed out that usually by this time there're FRC screenshots or even AFTR footage in the promos...seems like they're keeping these under wraps

We don't know that bio footage exist. They never posted a bio for Nick. ATFR- is live so no promos for that.

@whit90... first of all  :WAVEY: and second totally agree. She went way beyond her obligations against the tree and in the sea.

I had posted elsewhere about this....it doesn't make any sense not to record al 25 guys' bios and have them available....theyd want to get each guy fresh before his experience in the show it's terribly sloppy to go back and get it after the show starts airing. PLUS it's not just any producer that's with him it's a storyboard producer that's trying to get the edit fitting the storyboard....very key distinction.

re the bolded: really? i think it makes a lot of sense especially considering about 10 guys leave the first night. i'm sure it's a fair amount of work going to each guy's hometown, if they do that for each, filming and then editing their bio. it's one thing to film non-stop in the house, but it's a whole 'nuther thing to edit all that footage into a segment. film editors do not come cheap. i know one and he makes a bundle.

[soccermom333]

I was unspoiled until episode 3-4 and thought it was Josh, though Nick's flowers were significant to her. We later found out that tptb hid their first kiss on ep. 3. After Nick's Venice date it started to change for me. She gave him a very important date with the tux/prince stuff. Also, the sneak out kisses were waaaaaaaaay beyond what her job required of her. She continues to make sure he gets a lot of things first, the FIR, the first HTD and now the first FD which will make Hy happy. My only problem is that it is really following exactly what Nick said on the plane video. He told us the story. Obviously, I hope the video is a fake, but I'm not holding out much hope there. For me, the bigger question is wth happened at the end.

The day part of their FD looks amazing. I'm not buying any of the reasons why Nick got that date over Josh. Look at all that time they got with no mics on in the water, not to mention all the closeness that date gives them. She wanted him there just like she wanted him on the date in Venice, him with the fire works after the group date, him sneaking to her room, and him in the ocean with their hands all over each other. Not saying she didn't like Josh. Obviously she did and he would be her expected choice which also fits what Nick said in the video. TPTB are showing us the love story and his video told us the ending. Nick was not delusional and she was probably giving him way more than we even saw all along. He had every right to believe he'd be the F1. (though he should never had talked to the other guys about it)

We don't know if Josh and Andi didn't have long make out sessions or if they just didn't show us, so I'm not sure how Josh fans see him as a clear winner w/o the spoilers. I'm guessing Josh didn't want to go there on camera (understandable) and brought the passion in the FS. That may have changed the ending. It was finally as passionate as it had been all along with Nick. Poor Nick.   

Side note- I think Nick might have told her he loved her in the ocean. He wanted to tell her as she was leaving on the HTD and they were without mics in the ocean. The camera crew was pretty far away. It was the most privacy they've had. He was bursting to tell her. She would have been able to tell him her feelings in return. Like Arie said, you can really say anything. If she didn't say it back, it should be a red flag to him. If he says it again at dinner, it may be the second time.

Here's a slight PRO Nick F1 observation- Mamma Murray has twice tweeted/instagrammed about cutting the cord. That's mocking Andi IMO. She's either not going to be ANdi's MIL or she's going to be a difficult one. I have no problem with her concept that's it's not necessary to cut the cord and Andi can just join it, BUT that would be for Josh and Andi to work through and decide and she should shut up. She's either not too bright or not the future MIL. (IMO)

TPTB were beating us over the head with all the mask symbolism.  Very apropos that Nick was on that particular date.    I don't think anything happened at the end. IMO it happened in Ghent when Josh said he was falling in love with her. Andi committed to Josh with a silly yellow ribbon and it was over for the other guys.  Anything after that is just Andi fulfilling her commitment to ABC.

If Andi is just fulfilling her commitment to ABC then she has a lot of explaining to do with Josh if he is her F1.

Why would she have to explain anything to Josh if he is her final 1? If he is , they probably see each other all the time. ;) They just had a safehouse visit on the fourth and more than likely will have one next weekend. IMO of course.

[rosesrREd]

TPTB were beating us over the head with all the mask symbolism.  Very apropos that Nick was on that particular date.    I don't think anything happened at the end. IMO it happened in Ghent when Josh said he was falling in love with her. Andi committed to Josh with a silly yellow ribbon and it was over for the other guys.  Anything after that is just Andi fulfilling her commitment to ABC.

If Andi is just fulfilling her commitment to ABC then she has a lot of explaining to do with Josh if he is her F1.

Why would she have to explain anything to Josh if he is her final 1?  If he is , they probably see each other all the time.  ;)  They just had a safehouse visit on the fourth and more than likely will have one next weekend.  IMO of course.  

I believe that the poster was referring to the claim that Andi knew it was Josh in Belgium and had to act to get through the remainder of the show. Her point being her make out sessions with Nick seemed to go beyond fulfilling an obligation to ABC.

[soccermom333]

Haha, Okay gotcha.

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