Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #5

[Cecilia]

Why would he be allowed to do that? That's not how SH visits work. They get flown into town and secluded in a house for however many days and then leave. They can't go anywhere but the backyard.

IMO, Nick was in L.A. for his own personal reasons, whether to see some guys from this season or just vacay. Both he and Andi were seen in public way too much this weekend for it to be a SH visit.

Nick is not the "spoiled" F1.  Plus, Roberto was seen in public while Ali was at her MTA.  

Were they in the middle of a SH visit weekend? Was he seen in L.A.? I honestly didn't pay attention to that stuff back then.

I still stand by my point that Nick wasn't there for a SH visit. He was there for personal reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with seeing Andi.

After his last tweet I'm pretty sure he was there to hang with the guys and resolve any issues they has with him. Good for him.

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Nick is not the "spoiled" F1.  Plus, Roberto was seen in public while Ali was at her MTA.  

Were they in the middle of a SH visit weekend? Was he seen in L.A.? I honestly didn't pay attention to that stuff back then.

I still stand by my point that Nick wasn't there for a SH visit. He was there for personal reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with seeing Andi.

Yes Nick was seen in LA by two different people. They posted pictures.

After his last tweet I'm pretty sure he was there to hang with the guys and resolve any issues they has with him. Good for him.

[ironcat]

Why would Andi want to spend time at Disneyland with Thor and Captain America instead of in bed with Nick if he is her fiance?   

[umngirl]

^I'm gonna refrain from answering that cuz the Nick fans wouldn't like my answer.

[2observe]

Why would Andi want to spend time at Disneyland with Thor and Captain America instead of in bed with Nick if he is her fiance?   

Money from promotions.

[emad0722]

^I'm gonna refrain from answering that cuz the Nick fans wouldn't like my answer.

good....

[SueSt]

Why would Andi want to spend time at Disneyland with Thor and Captain America instead of in bed with Nick if he is her fiance?   

Money from promotions.

yup!   

[Bananaloaf]

Why would he be allowed to do that? That's not how SH visits work. They get flown into town and secluded in a house for however many days and then leave. They can't go anywhere but the backyard.

IMO, Nick was in L.A. for his own personal reasons, whether to see some guys from this season or just vacay. Both he and Andi were seen in public way too much this weekend for it to be a SH visit.

Nick is not the "spoiled" F1.  Plus, Roberto was seen in public while Ali was at her MTA.  

Were they in the middle of a SH visit weekend? Was he seen in L.A.? I honestly didn't pay attention to that stuff back then.

I still stand by my point that Nick wasn't there for a SH visit. He was there for personal reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with seeing Andi.

If memory serves me correctly, Roberto and Ali were together the MTA weekend and Roberto was seen out shopping in LA that same weekend. Similarly, Jesse and Deanna were together during their MTA weekend; Deanna confirmed that Jesse had dinner waiting for her when she got back from the taping. I don't know if Jesse was seen out in public the weekend of Deanna's taping or not. Maybe someone else remembers more details.

[cindebugg]

Andi! See the beauty of being a spoiled f2 is you can hide in plain sight.

I have never, ever seen a more blatant love story unfold with both parties all in from ep1 to present with possible exception of Meredith/Ian and to lesser degree Ashley/JP but that only got obvious after BS Bentleystory line faded. I  don't know what is in store with next 2 episodes as I avoid watching previews/commercials but I did see screen caps of Andi and Nick making out in secluded ocean ... a classic f1 date.

The ONLY reason that producers could show all this great footage is 1) plane video/rs spoilers and 2)drummed up drama among men ... that seemed to  only occur while enduring pressure of Bachelorette bubble as he is friends with vocal Chris, Brian and Dylan plus others post show.

I started season with no favorites and no spoilers and no preconceived notions. Just calling it like I see it. And I can't imagine seeing anyone but Nick in the end.

I respect your opinion, but for me it is just the opposite.  Josh and Andi's chemistry is off the charts or me, and something that the producers had to hide and exploit the chemistry she had with others.   I also have been watching the show for a long time and can see producer manipulation early on.

Just my opinion.  

I was unspoiled until episode 3-4 and thought it was Josh, though Nick's flowers were significant to her. We later found out that tptb hid their first kiss on ep. 3. After Nick's Venice date it started to change for me. She gave him a very important date with the tux/prince stuff. Also, the sneak out kisses were waaaaaaaaay beyond what her job required of her. She continues to make sure he gets a lot of things first, the FIR, the first HTD and now the first FD which will make Hy happy. My only problem is that it is really following exactly what Nick said on the plane video. He told us the story. Obviously, I hope the video is a fake, but I'm not holding out much hope there. For me, the bigger question is wth happened at the end.

The day part of their FD looks amazing. I'm not buying any of the reasons why Nick got that date over Josh. Look at all that time they got with no mics on in the water, not to mention all the closeness that date gives them. She wanted him there just like she wanted him on the date in Venice, him with the fire works after the group date, him sneaking to her room, and him in the ocean with their hands all over each other. Not saying she didn't like Josh. Obviously she did and he would be her expected choice which also fits what Nick said in the video. TPTB are showing us the love story and his video told us the ending. Nick was not delusional and she was probably giving him way more than we even saw all along. He had every right to believe he'd be the F1. (though he should never had talked to the other guys about it)

We don't know if Josh and Andi didn't have long make out sessions or if they just didn't show us, so I'm not sure how Josh fans see him as a clear winner w/o the spoilers. I'm guessing Josh didn't want to go there on camera (understandable) and brought the passion in the FS. That may have changed the ending. It was finally as passionate as it had been all along with Nick. Poor Nick.   

Side note- I think Nick might have told her he loved her in the ocean. He wanted to tell her as she was leaving on the HTD and they were without mics in the ocean. The camera crew was pretty far away. It was the most privacy they've had. He was bursting to tell her. She would have been able to tell him her feelings in return. Like Arie said, you can really say anything. If she didn't say it back, it should be a red flag to him. If he says it again at dinner, it may be the second time.

Here's a slight PRO Nick F1 observation- Mamma Murray has twice tweeted/instagrammed about cutting the cord. That's mocking Andi IMO. She's either not going to be ANdi's MIL or she's going to be a difficult one. I have no problem with her concept that's it's not necessary to cut the cord and Andi can just join it, BUT that would be for Josh and Andi to work through and decide and she should shut up. She's either not too bright or not the future MIL. (IMO)

TPTB were beating us over the head with all the mask symbolism.  Very apropos that Nick was on that particular date.    I don't think anything happened at the end. IMO it happened in Ghent when Josh said he was falling in love with her. Andi committed to Josh with a silly yellow ribbon and it was over for the other guys.  Anything after that is just Andi fulfilling her commitment to ABC.

[rosesrREd]

I respect your opinion, but for me it is just the opposite.  Josh and Andi's chemistry is off the charts or me, and something that the producers had to hide and exploit the chemistry she had with others.   I also have been watching the show for a long time and can see producer manipulation early on.

Just my opinion.  

I was unspoiled until episode 3-4 and thought it was Josh, though Nick's flowers were significant to her. We later found out that tptb hid their first kiss on ep. 3. After Nick's Venice date it started to change for me. She gave him a very important date with the tux/prince stuff. Also, the sneak out kisses were waaaaaaaaay beyond what her job required of her. She continues to make sure he gets a lot of things first, the FIR, the first HTD and now the first FD which will make Hy happy. My only problem is that it is really following exactly what Nick said on the plane video. He told us the story. Obviously, I hope the video is a fake, but I'm not holding out much hope there. For me, the bigger question is wth happened at the end.

The day part of their FD looks amazing. I'm not buying any of the reasons why Nick got that date over Josh. Look at all that time they got with no mics on in the water, not to mention all the closeness that date gives them. She wanted him there just like she wanted him on the date in Venice, him with the fire works after the group date, him sneaking to her room, and him in the ocean with their hands all over each other. Not saying she didn't like Josh. Obviously she did and he would be her expected choice which also fits what Nick said in the video. TPTB are showing us the love story and his video told us the ending. Nick was not delusional and she was probably giving him way more than we even saw all along. He had every right to believe he'd be the F1. (though he should never had talked to the other guys about it)

We don't know if Josh and Andi didn't have long make out sessions or if they just didn't show us, so I'm not sure how Josh fans see him as a clear winner w/o the spoilers. I'm guessing Josh didn't want to go there on camera (understandable) and brought the passion in the FS. That may have changed the ending. It was finally as passionate as it had been all along with Nick. Poor Nick.   

Side note- I think Nick might have told her he loved her in the ocean. He wanted to tell her as she was leaving on the HTD and they were without mics in the ocean. The camera crew was pretty far away. It was the most privacy they've had. He was bursting to tell her. She would have been able to tell him her feelings in return. Like Arie said, you can really say anything. If she didn't say it back, it should be a red flag to him. If he says it again at dinner, it may be the second time.

Here's a slight PRO Nick F1 observation- Mamma Murray has twice tweeted/instagrammed about cutting the cord. That's mocking Andi IMO. She's either not going to be ANdi's MIL or she's going to be a difficult one. I have no problem with her concept that's it's not necessary to cut the cord and Andi can just join it, BUT that would be for Josh and Andi to work through and decide and she should shut up. She's either not too bright or not the future MIL. (IMO)

TPTB were beating us over the head with all the mask symbolism.  Very apropos that Nick was on that particular date.    I don't think anything happened at the end. IMO it happened in Ghent when Josh said he was falling in love with her. Andi committed to Josh with a silly yellow ribbon and it was over for the other guys.  Anything after that is just Andi fulfilling her commitment to ABC.

Josh doesn't seem to be wearing the yellow ribbon in his most recent photograph today.  Perhaps I am missing it, but I do see the purple and black ones, but not the yellow ribbon.  

Back to Nick, it is true that in past seasons there was a safehouse visit during the MTA taping.  Roberto was seen out at a grocery store during the taping, just as Nick was seen at the farmers market.  It may not be a traditional, all weekend safehouse visit, but one could have certainly happened.

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Josh doesn't seem to be wearing the yellow ribbon in his most recent photograph today.  Perhaps I am missing it, but I do see the purple and black ones, but not the yellow ribbon.  

Back to Nick, it is true that in past seasons there was a safehouse visit during the MTA taping.  Roberto was seen out at a grocery store during the taping, just as Nick was seen at the farmers market.  It may not be a traditional, all weekend safehouse visit, but one could have certainly happened.

sorry - moved answer to Josh thread

[Pattycake92]

Yes, Roberto was seen out and about during the MTA weekend that was a safe house weekend. But, I doubt that Andi would be using her safe house time to go to an amusement park. All of this is very puzzling. I'm surprised she is not with her F1 this weekend. Whoever he may be....

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