Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #5

by happygolucky Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:28 am

jen689 wrote:He did go from a non believer to a believer and fell in

Yeah, but he believed that he's her favorite, that he is gonna marry her ... and IF it doesn't happen ... WHY would HE STILL BE a believer? He never believed in the process ... he believed in a person ... And IF .. he gets burned, why going into the fire-ring again? At what gain/cost?

by SueSt Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:39 am

happygolucky wrote:
jen689 wrote:He did go from a non believer to a believer and fell in
Yeah, but he believed that he's her favorite, that he is gonna marry her ... and IF it doesn't happen ... WHY would HE STILL BE a believer? He never believed in the process ... he believed in a person ... And IF .. he gets burned, why going into the fire-ring again? At what gain/cost?

Nick's not the first non-believer changed by this show to a believer... and also not the first one that got burned but decided to go back into the 'fire-ring' again. Pretty much all of the Bach/ett's of recent seasons were on prior seasons, got burned but saw that finding love on the show is possible. If Nick's F2 and is interested... no problem to create a story.

by Guest Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:01 am

SueSt wrote:
happygolucky wrote:
jen689 wrote:He did go from a non believer to a believer and fell in
Yeah, but he believed that he's her favorite, that he is gonna marry her ... and IF it doesn't happen ... WHY would HE STILL BE a believer? He never believed in the process ... he believed in a person ... And IF .. he gets burned, why going into the fire-ring again? At what gain/cost?
Nick's not the first non-believer changed by this show to a believer... and also not the first one that got burned but decided to go back into the 'fire-ring' again. Pretty much all of the Bach/ett's of recent seasons were on prior seasons, got burned but saw that finding love on the show is possible. If Nick's F2 and is interested... no problem to create a story.

this is a take of my clever friend: the term believer is actually referred to spesifically the 'process'. He was very skeptical of the idea falling in love on this cray2 show and having concern in the idea' of romance, fairy tale, etc instead the 'person' herself. But at this point of the show he already overcome all of those, and find himself surprised that he loves the girl for who she is (as Andi chirped often : He sees every part of me). Their story is the real story, outside the boundary of this silly show. One more hurdle left for him : the fear of being brokenhearted again, i assume we'll get to see more of Andi's part to work through it (ala Ash toward JP in the final epis.)

by happygolucky Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:06 am

[quote="SueSt"]

happygolucky wrote:got burned but saw that finding love on the show is possible.

I see it differently, IF he is F2, that means he DIDN'T FIND LOVE ... yes, HE FELL IN LOVE, but wasn't corresponded. So it's not like he found love. It proves to him, that on the show like this it's easy to get fooled, to see things that aren't really there, to over-romanticize a relationship (like what he says in the preview, that he has done before), to have no grasp on what's real and what's not ... so that means, he goes back to being sceptic.
The question still stands. Why? Why going in then?

by SueSt Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:25 am

^^great clarification Mura.

Yes 'believer' is all about process but N&A are very much beyond that at this point in the show...

Nick is all in and watching Andi greenlight all his questions and hesitations throughout the season has been such a joy. Yes, Nick sees every part of Andi... but Andi also sees every part of Nick. Andi recognizes his sweet, open and vulnerable soul (Love at First Sight) and is offering Nick a safe place (herself) to open himself - and as he does, Andi is transformed by his love and so we get the great profound love story. They are trusting, open, intimate, passionate and supportive.

beatingheart

I agree that we'll definitely get the fear of the brokenhearted from Nick (the previews already hint at it)... but as Andi once again is able to quell his fears, I anticipate that their love story is going to explode in the next episode. Be still my beating heart!!! It's going to be good!!!

beatingheart

by SueSt Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:29 am

happygolucky wrote:
SueSt wrote:
happygolucky wrote:got burned but saw that finding love on the show is possible.
I see it differently, IF he is F2, that means he DIDN'T FIND LOVE ... yes, HE FELL IN LOVE, but wasn't corresponded. So it's not like he found love. It proves to him, that on the show like this it's easy to get fooled, to see things that aren't really there, to over-romanticize a relationship (like what he says in the preview, that he has done before), to have no grasp on what's real and what's not ... so that means, he goes back to being sceptic.
The question still stands. Why? Why going in then?

Everything we've seen from Nick on SM since the show has been very open and supportive of the show.
I can't imagine that he's not F1... but if he's not, it looks like the Bach adventure hasn't made him skeptical; rather opened him up to the possibilities of love...

by happygolucky Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:44 am

OK ... I understand it now, thank you Mura & Sue. So yeah, I could see why he can believe in the process. Though ... just can't picture him as the bachelor. With all the women eager to appear on this kind of a show ... they eat him alive, ahahaha, remember he isn't as confident&cocky as he appears to be (since he has every reason to be now).

by isittrue Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:27 am

I have to agree with Sue in that Nick's experience has left him open to finding love. In his convo with his sister he even admitted that he knew he could get hurt but that was not going to stop him from taking the chance. much as I hope Nick is F1, I think his edit last episode points to bachelor. I am not sure how to feel about that. His edit as lead can be either good or bad depending on TPTB and he may or may not find love. Guess he thinks the risks may be worth it.

by nutty1 Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:57 am

Like other past contestants, perhaps the show made Nick realize the process can work, as he did truly fall in love.

Nick as the next bachelor!! People either love him or love to hate him! But they'd be sure to watch. Instead of the Farmer Bachelor, he could be the Polarizing Bachelor!

by isittrue Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:11 am

Funny, in my TV guide, Nick got a jeer for being shady, and seeing Andi as a prize not a bride. It said that he needs to go and take his man scaves with him. Of course, this was based off the episode prior to the HT so if they want to make Nick the bachelor, they may have a long road ahead....

by MVMom39forever Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:16 am

SueSt wrote:
happygolucky wrote:
SueSt wrote:
I see it differently, IF he is F2, that means he DIDN'T FIND LOVE ... yes, HE FELL IN LOVE, but wasn't corresponded. So it's not like he found love. It proves to him, that on the show like this it's easy to get fooled, to see things that aren't really there, to over-romanticize a relationship (like what he says in the preview, that he has done before), to have no grasp on what's real and what's not ... so that means, he goes back to being sceptic.
The question still stands. Why? Why going in then?
Everything we've seen from Nick on SM since the show has been very open and supportive of the show.
I can't imagine that he's not F1... but if he's not, it looks like the Bach adventure hasn't made him skeptical; rather opened him up to the possibilities of love...

I agree!

I also think it would make loads of sense for new Bachelor ...or top Bachelor candidate... to start process by scouting locations to film intro video with the producer who is known to do storyboards. They seemed to be walking in grassy area. So yeah, I guess I could believe that Nick is Fleiss' choice and that America has short memory/will fall in love with Nick when we see him heartbroken at end.

That said, I just can't shake thinking he is Andi's choice for f1. Everything that I saw and heard from those two all season...as Mura often reminds us...screams f1. They have had such ridiculous chemistry and then some. When will she cool off with him or pull back? I am going to have to detect a change on FD but seeing that he gets secluded beach date; I just don't know.

All I can say is I can't imagine Andi would want to see Nick as next Bachelor and watch him turn all his attention, sweet gestures and passionate kisses to other women. I really think if she is with Josh now, there is part of her who will always wonder what could have been with Nick ...the guy who satisfies her on intellectual, physical and emotional level. Nobody should throw that away.

by Guest Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:21 am

MVMom39forever wrote:
SueSt wrote:
happygolucky wrote:
Everything we've seen from Nick on SM since the show has been very open and supportive of the show.
I can't imagine that he's not F1... but if he's not, it looks like the Bach adventure hasn't made him skeptical; rather opened him up to the possibilities of love...

I agree!

I also think it would make loads of sense for new Bachelor ...or top Bachelor candidate... to start process by scouting locations to film intro video with the producer who is known to do storyboards. They seemed to be walking in grassy area. So yeah, I guess I could believe that Nick is Fleiss' choice and that America has short memory/will fall in love with Nick when we see him heartbroken at end.

That said, I just can't shake thinking he is Andi's choice for f1. Everything that I saw and heard from those two all season...as Mura often reminds us...screams f1. They have had such ridiculous chemistry and then some. When will she cool off with him or pull back? I am going to have to detect a change on FD but seeing that he gets secluded beach date; I just don't know.

All I can say is I can't imagine Andi would want to see Nick as next Bachelor and watch him turn all his attention, sweet gestures and passionate kisses to other women. I really think if she is with Josh now, there is part of her who will always wonder what could have been with Nick ...the guy who satisfies her on intellectual, physical and emotional level. Nobody should throw that away.

I agree, without spoilers or post-show stuff it would really be a toss up trying to guess who she picked. First season in a while I wish I didn't know anything outside the shoe. I like her and Nick as a couple so much, and I do think he'll be a guy she looks back on and wonders about, no matter how her future turns out. I really do believe intellectual thinking and analytical discussions are things she craves and needs and will cause her dissatisfaction if she doesn't have them.

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