Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 10 - MTP-LCD-FRC- July 28/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion

StacyNor wrote:

Max64 wrote:I don't blame Nick one bit for saying what he did to her!!  If she had something "greater" with Josh, she had no business sleeping with Nick, none!  And she's spouting off on how she loved Josh from night one!  Chloep, you are right she was cold, and showed no emotion towards Nick... I hope Josh knows what's he's in for.  

I agree I cant blame the dude. He is sad and angry. What makes it worse is Andi saying she loved Josh from day one if she didn't say that it what Nick admitted wouldn't look so bad. The I never loved you Nick but I like you enough to sleep with you.

Yup. He didn't say it until she came out being her smug, cocky, cold self. As we've seen often, she can play a part well until she doesn't need to anymore. These are real people with real feelings and Nick let his out. Not classy, but I get why he said it. And really TPTB must not be too into this couple. They gave them such little time and didn't do the usual watching back the emotional proposal for the first time together.

Andi isn't the worst. No different than any other Final 2... heck, Final 3 guy out there.

noobsleuth wrote:

I agree. It would have taken her 5 minutes to tell him to buzz off and stop asking because she was over it and wasn't going to change her mind.

I can't blame him for wanting some answers/closure, especially if he's been dwelling on it for the past two months and watching their time together back every Monday night. I would have a ton of questions! 


Lesson learned to all future contestants: you never want to be the F2.

Frankly I don't think even if Andi had agreed to meet with Nick that the producers would have let all the "good stuff" happen outside of the ATFR live studio audience setting.

Even if Nick had said that in a conversation with her months ago - the morning of the FRC, in Mexico, at the MTA - I REALLY doubt that they'd have included it in the "rehash" video that they'd have aired at the ATFR. They have gotten him to say it again b/c of the shock value with the audience.

They absolutely wanted this to happen at the ATFR.

It'll get people talking about how she was "confronted by the man she was with just days before accepting a proposal" and such. It'll get those who don't watch the ATFR b/c they don't like who was chosen to watch next time b/c they're afraid they'll miss something juicy, etc.

Ironically, I think if anything, this will all backfire more on TPTB.

THEY love the drama. They love if a bunch are intimate in the FS because those are the contestants that tend to leave most fired up, most emotional, feeling most rejected, everything. Now they're going to have all the final folks more hesitant to do anything in the FS, out of fear that it'll get brought up on TV...decreasing the opportunities for TBTP to get a similar 'controversial' ending down the road.

(Only meaning 'controversial' in that we know this will end up being the tabloid takeaway from the show tonight. )

Relalou wrote:

richmondrose wrote:

StacyNor wrote:
No Difference at all. God doesn't like ugly Andi she accused JP doing the same thing she did to her contestants   her actions are much worse because she comes off as a hypocrite. ABC should do the same thing they did on Andi's poster to the next bachelor because the is not much difference between Juan and Andi.

Andi definitely is a hypocrite. She was constantly nagging at Josh about her fear of him cheating on her and yet at the end of the day, she did that exact same thing. High five to Nick for having the balls to expose her for what she really is. Hopefully, Mama Murray will knock some sense into her son before it's too late.

Hmm so do we take the word of a guy who turns out to be rather a creep?  So hard to get into a "he said, she said" and I appreciate that it feels as tho Nick's comments aren't being graced with much from Andi and Josh.  He needs to go crawl away now IMO

Why not? Andi readily admitted that Nick's revelation was true when she responded by saying he was hitting below belt. She could have denied it, but she didn't. So, yeah I believe him and more power to him.

Kashathediva wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:I am not a fan of Nick saying that they made love, but it wasn't a snarky question.  She was claiming she never loved him, so he asked then why did they make love?  To me that isn't a snark, it was more of if you didn't feel for me then why do that?

And he also tried to talk it out before tonight and she refused.  She could have spared herself the on-air confrontation.  

She could have even just said the morning she let him go that she loved Josh more.  

She didn't do either of those things.  She had her chance to not have this out on national tv and she didn't.  She has to take some responsibility too.

It took two to tango in the FS, so she should have talked it out with him and been honest.

Those who have hated Nick will continue to hate him, those of us who didn't like MeAndI will continue to not like her.  I wish Josh the best, but I won't follow this couple.

Also Nick was probably forced to do a lot of stuff due to the plane video, the threat of a 5 million dollar lawsuit would make me do things I might not want to do.

Agree. 
I honestly feel bad for Josh. 
Neither of these guys deserve MeandI.  Each deserve someone true to them.

I respect your opinion, but I am happy for Josh. He is clearly madly in love---they both are---and very happy. I wish them well.

relaxing wrote:

StacyNor wrote:

Max64 wrote:I don't blame Nick one bit for saying what he did to her!!  If she had something "greater" with Josh, she had no business sleeping with Nick, none!  And she's spouting off on how she loved Josh from night one!  Chloep, you are right she was cold, and showed no emotion towards Nick... I hope Josh knows what's he's in for.  

I agree I cant blame the dude. He is sad and angry. What makes it worse is Andi saying she loved Josh from day one if she didn't say that it what Nick admitted wouldn't look so bad. The I never loved you Nick but I like you enough to sleep with you.

Yup.  He didn't say it until she came out being her smug, cocky, cold self.  As we've seen often, she can play a part well until she doesn't need to anymore.   These are real people with real feelings and Nick let his out.  Not classy, but I get why he said it.  And really TPTB must not be too into this couple.  They gave them such little time and didn't do the usual watching back the emotional proposal for the first time together.  

She was extremely cold to him.  I cant't stand it.  She's phony.

I think folks are forgetting that this season was so dry and ratings not that great. TPTB masterminded the whole AFTR storyboard because they the finale to end with a bang ratings wise and also carry the momentum to BIP. I hope BIP tanks after all the crap they pulled tonight!!!!

Ugh this sucks! IMO it detracts from the love story and Andi is just as responsible for this mess as Nick, if not more. HE doesn't claim to have loved Josh since day one.   

I feel bad for Josh.

I think she didn't expect Nick to bring up the FS, which is why she felt he hit below the belt. Even if he was coaxed into saying that, I think he was looking for answers (which he hadn't gotten up until that point). Even with all the editing, there can be real emotions, and I think he was totally blindsided. I know what "things" can go on in the FS. Each bach that's left at that point knows that they aren't the only one. I just have a problem with her saying she loved Josh from the beginning, yet slept (made love, whatever you want to call it) with Nick. Just glad I don't have to watch her on my tv anymore. Btw, don't have a problem with Josh and wish them the best. Don't need to see or hear about her anymore though.

Well, I never thought I'd say this.  Ben, if and I'm not saying he did sleep with Ashley in the FS, is looking like a classy guy right now.  If Ashley slept with Ben in the FS, is she as skanky as Andi?

We don't know if Ashley slept with Ben.  And, I'm fine with that.  Nick should've left it fine, too.

relaxing wrote:

StacyNor wrote:

Max64 wrote:I don't blame Nick one bit for saying what he did to her!!  If she had something "greater" with Josh, she had no business sleeping with Nick, none!  And she's spouting off on how she loved Josh from night one!  Chloep, you are right she was cold, and showed no emotion towards Nick... I hope Josh knows what's he's in for.  

I agree I cant blame the dude. He is sad and angry. What makes it worse is Andi saying she loved Josh from day one if she didn't say that it what Nick admitted wouldn't look so bad. The I never loved you Nick but I like you enough to sleep with you.

Yup.  He didn't say it until she came out being her smug, cocky, cold self.  As we've seen often, she can play a part well until she doesn't need to anymore.   These are real people with real feelings and Nick let his out.  Not classy, but I get why he said it.  And really TPTB must not be too into this couple.  They gave them such little time and didn't do the usual watching back the emotional proposal for the first time together.  

Yes, but Andi started fighting back and I don't blame her. No love lost between these two and it is really sad to me. Josh and Andi are madly in love and they are not giving Nick a second thought. Wish he had kept it classy. Just my honest opinion.

Nick is also getting bashed again all over SM.   

mercieme wrote:I think folks are forgetting that this season was so dry and ratings not that great. TPTB masterminded the whole AFTR storyboard because the finale to go out with a bang ratings wise and also carry the momentum to BIP. I hope BIP tanks after all the crap they pulled tonight!!!!

BIP will for sure tank.